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[The_Mike]

And yet, imagine how many units Halo Infinite would sell on the PS5 if Microsoft went multiplatform.

I believe Microsofts first party games, despite having bad scores from reviewers, would sell quite well if it was on Playstation.

Even Sea of Thieves sold incredible well when it launched on Steam, despite being on pc from day one through Microsoft store

 

[onQ123]

Just imagine if no one paid for exclusive deals

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

What do you mean? Microsoft bought off Bungie a year later essentially buying an exclusive for themselves.

 

[onQ123]

What do you mean? Microsoft bought off Bungie a year later essentially buying an exclusive for themselves.

People acting like it's a bad thing but MS buying Bungie was one of the best things that happened in console history.

 

[Zok310]

Cant blame Sony. Start of last gen MS snatched TitanFall and Tomb Raider.
The gen before that ms broke a nearly 2 decade GTA and FF exclusive on PlayStation.
So sony can go into this gen second guessing what ms plans are, or they can look at ms past behavior and build a counter for it or at least beat them to the punch.
And if it turns out sony over calculated ms and ms dont repeat their past behavior, then it still leaves sony with more 3rd party exclusives in the end.
Its a win win win for sony. When you ahead in a race its because you are running harder, not because your competition is slower.
XB1 sold 50 million units this gen on a failed launch and against an unstoppable PS4 and NS, you better believe Jim Ryan and his team is taking them serious and is not going to give them any advantage over their most radical PS console yet.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

I love how just because its sony its "anti consumer" if it was ms its "they are really fighting hard for next gen supremacy!" Make up your guys minds

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I love how just because its sony its "anti consumer" if it was ms its "they are really fighting hard for next gen supremacy!" Make up your guys minds

There is no mind to make up; Consumers are not suppose to make friends with corporations. Consumers are suppose to make demands that corporations try to meet, not just accept whatever the corporation spits out.

I am sure there are some people who genuinely like Gamepass; but they are a much smaller group than they think they are.

 

[llien]

Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals

I recall that's evil.

Buying exclusivity not OK for Epic store, but fine for Sony and Microsoft?

I am not talking about "real" platform exclusives: games produced by game studios owned by the respective companies. It is about grabbing an existing product, that would otherwise be available on all platform, and bribing it into not appearing on other platforms for some time. So that kind of...

www.neogaf.com

 

[ksdixon]

C'mon Sony, lets see this exclusive content. Have we gotten a new event date yet?

 

[LordCBH]

I remember the early PS3/360 days where Microsoft money-hatted a lot of JRPG’s to ONLY be on 360 in the West. So honestly, Sony can pay for all the content or exclusives it wants, I just don’t care. I had to wait like 13 years to get a western PS release of Vesperia.

sure this is probably a really shitty take, but I will stand by it.

 

[WellSheet]

I think the this topic gets twisted...

I think you (royal you) can NOT agree with Sony’s decision(s) to secure exclusive third party content - albeit games or dlc - but they are a BUSINESS. They’re looking to make their console, their ecosystem the one you’re apart of so the can reap all those benefits. They want to drive mindshare as much as profit numbers.

i think when people say these tactics - regardless of what corp does it - are anti-consumer, or what have you, I don’t agree with.

They are, again, a business. Their goal is to make US buy into their ecosystem. They want us spending our money on their storefront, bolstering their numbers. And, with the fact that Sony is likely on par to be the market-leader again this generation, they want to incentivize us to stick around and NOT go anyway. This is just part of their way of doing it. So, arguably, for them...this is PRO-PS Consumer. And that’s all they should care about honestly. It isn’t about some sense of corporate altruism. Which Microsoft is trying to half-assedly peddle...PlayStation/Sony are directly speaking to THEIR base. Their making these investments on behalf of them.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I am sure there are some people who genuinely like Gamepass; but they are a much smaller group than they think they are.

AFAIK that "small group" is enough to show Microsoft that there's success there, it's why they're leaning into it so hard. It's still got a ways to go though. I just don't get people shitting on it. It's for you, cool. It's not, cool, don't get it.

I'm interested in seeing how this all pans out. Seeing how monumental all of these exclusive deals are for Sony, etc. I mean, throwing money all over the place and at everyone doesn't equate success. It's how it's done.

 

[Jokerevo]

It gives you a reason to buy multiplatform games on PlayStation, which they need since Microsoft has the power proposition.

I hated all the timed exclusivity deals Microsoft had at the beginning of the 360 era but when Sony started to play ball, I guess I just had to accept that it's

MS has the power proposition this gen but didn't have the fucking games.

Sony is very worried about their first part lineup

You're not seeing the strategy are you? They want to accelerate uptake of Ps5 because digital has become very important now. Hook them in early, build the install base faster. Pickup all those sad XDF people who don't have a home to go anymore and build that install base allows for more exclusives from 3rd party earlier on.

The reality is no big studio benefits from xbox strategy of gamepass. They need big install bases to drive sales to recoup costs and if MS is giving that up angle then they're signalling to studios that making multiplat game might not be financially viable anymore.

I mean why create a game for X that needs to run on lockhart and XsX and PC too? How the hell do you optimise that? I mean HI is your proof. Look at it. Does that even look like 6 flops to you?

 

[Black_Stride]

I love how just because its sony its "anti consumer" if it was ms its "they are really fighting hard for next gen supremacy!" Make up your guys minds

Umm nope.
Its been attacked regardless of who did it...Sony fans seemingly feel personally attacked for it and pull up whataboutism, but the hatred of buying exclusivity deals is blanket.
Everyone hated it when MS did it(see every piece of exclusive content or bought game by MS), they hated it when Epic did it(Im sure the thread is still active on here) and hate it when Sonys doing it.
No need to feel persecuted, its a shitty move no matter who is doing.

Dont let a console manufacturer be a part of your identity and personality, its very bad for your health, corporations do shitty things even if they also give you great games.

Buying a whole bunch of exclusive content just to stick "PlayStation Advantage" is weak as shit, the consoles unique features should be the PlayStation advantage not your checkbook.

P.S I am not against funding games that could really use it, if they bought out Kena because the dev is self publishing and could really use the marketing push and/or extra funds for development, im fine with that.......but if you are buying the right to hold back content from other platforms in third party games, thats fucked up.
All so you can stick a "Playstation Advantage" sticker on the boxart.......mane.

 

[Jokerevo]

I believe sony make this decision not just solely based on their competitor(xbox). They probably aimed to maintained the performance of ps4's sales of 100M+ from here on out onward be it another generation and next. They saw how exclusives play vital role and their plan? more exclusives.

In other aspect, i wonder if this is one of their strategy to 'counter' gamepass. Assuming lot of big title from major 3rd party publisher/studio become timed exclusive, does this mean those title wont available day 1 on gamepass? This surely gonna affected gamepass content of value for awhile and those big publisher probably gonna enjoy the 'precious' moment where people pay full price for their games until period of exclusives deal come off.

This is definitely part of the strategy, denying games on gamepass. But really I believe this is about getting people locked into PS eco ASAP.

What a waste of money, im not surprised Jim Ryan is behind all these timed exclusive movement.
Funds would be better spent on upgrading PS infrastructure or other areas that will be competed in the next decades.

He is from the old school, and he is from SCEE. Europe is Playstation country, outside a short spell of 360 UK dominance. He only sees the winning side of things.
No wonder the messaging since he took over, is just weak and unlike PS4.
Even PS5 slogan 'Play has no limits' is weak compared to 'Four the players'
SIE has moved backwards from players focus to 'me-me-me Imma Playstation'

Waste of money? You mean the money that comes from digital purchases now? Don't you get the strategy lol? It's all about eco systems. You don't think Sony is also preparing its own game buffet?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

This is definitely part of the strategy, denying games on gamepass. But really I believe this is about getting people locked into PS eco ASAP.






Waste of money? You mean the money that comes from digital purchases now? Don't you get the strategy lol? It's all about eco systems. You don't think Sony is also preparing its own game buffet?

Another 'Sony Two' post.

Sony keeps doing its own thing. Doing what works.

 

[Goalus]

This is desperation.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

This is desperation.

The market leader by far is desperate? No it's called being aggressive.

 

[NoviDon]

People were talking about how "scared" they were that Sony would become "arrogant" and "lazy" again like the start of the ps3 days and fall flat at the start of next gen. What they wanted was for Sony to take a step back so MS could gain mindshare and eventual marketshare like 7th gen. But instead Sony is taking Microsoft very seriously as a competitor. They are coming out of the gates SWINGING and are doing everything they can to insure another cycle of sustained dominance, and even INCREASED marketshare. And that scares alot of people.

 

[dead monkey uk]

Does anybody know what this person means with the bolded section?

My guess is North America = The World.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

The point is that I think Sony views MS as a waaaaaay bigger threat this time. Without a constant stream of exclusives, I think Sony worries people might drift towards Halo Infinite (free to play) and GamePass. That's why I think Sony is spending so much money early on in the PS5s lifecycle.

Alternately, they are buying exclusive timed deals now when it is dirt cheap. Since most third parties are expecting a 2 to 1 difference in ecosystem at a minimum for next gen, Sony can use the expected revenue difference to negotiate cheaper deals now more than ever.
As the gaming media implied, MS tried to do the same but could not afford the asking price. Being behind in ecosystem means you have to be asked to pay more for timed exclusivity.

 

[quest]

Alternately, they are buying exclusive timed deals now when it is dirt cheap. Since most third parties are expecting a 2 to 1 difference in ecosystem at a minimum for next gen, Sony can use the expected revenue difference to negotiate cheaper deals now more than ever.
As the gaming media implied, MS tried to do the same but could not afford the asking price. Being behind in ecosystem means you have to be asked to pay more for timed exclusivity.

No Microsoft did not try publishers tried to use Microsoft to get more money. No where did it say Microsoft did the same on big games lol. Also playstation gamers are better off long term if Sony purchased studios to fill in the holes they have in a first party that is not as diverse as it once was. They were going to win easily anyway the deals are only to try to get a monopoly period by content starving the last competitor.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

No Microsoft did not try publishers tried to use Microsoft to get more money. No where did it say Microsoft did the same on big games lol. Also playstation gamers are better off long term if Sony purchased studios to fill in the holes they have in a first party that is not as diverse as it once was. They were going to win easily anyway the deals are only to try to get a monopoly period by content starving the last competitor.

" It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn’t want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place. "
This is in the first post of this thread.

And of COURSE publishers would ask more money from Microsoft. Time Exclusives carry the implicit implication that you would financially compensate the company for any lost sale that could have been made on the competitor's hardware, if the exclusivity clause was to execute.
MS had to pay more because they had to pay for the lost sales of not launching on PS5. On the other hand, Sony only had to pay for the small amount of lost sales for not launching on Series X. You don't have to like it, but that is the reality Microsoft is in.

 

[MasterCornholio]

" It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn’t want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place. "
This is in the first post of this thread.

And of COURSE publishers would ask more money from Microsoft. Time Exclusives carry the implicit implication that you would financially compensate the company for any lost sale that could have been made on the competitor's hardware, if the exclusivity clause was to execute.
MS had to pay more because they had to pay for the lost sales of not launching on PS5. On the other hand, Sony only had to pay for the small amount of lost sales for not launching on Series X. You don't have to like it, but that is the reality Microsoft is in.

I'm wondering how much better they think the PS5 will sell in comparison to the Xbox.

It would be interesting to know what sales predictions they have.

 

[quest]

" It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn’t want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place. "
This is in the first post of this thread.

And of COURSE publishers would ask more money from Microsoft. Time Exclusives carry the implicit implication that you would financially compensate the company for any lost sale that could have been made on the competitor's hardware, if the exclusivity clause was to execute.
MS had to pay more because they had to pay for the lost sales of not launching on PS5. On the other hand, Sony only had to pay for the small amount of lost sales for not launching on Series X. You don't have to like it, but that is the reality Microsoft is in.

Read it again Sony made the offer. Publisher took offer to Microsoft to play them against each other. No where did it say Microsoft approached first.


"Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place. "

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Read it again Sony made the offer. Publisher took offer to Microsoft to play them against each other. No where did it say Microsoft approached first.


"Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place. "

I never said anything about MS approaching first. it makes sense for any studio being offered a timed exclusivity deal, to go to the competitor and see if they would make a better offer. That's just smart business. And it is normal that Ms would not be able to outbid Sony because they would have to pay a much higher price by default.

 

[Darklor01]

I never said anything about MS approaching first. it makes sense for any studio being offered a timed exclusivity deal, to go to the competitor and see if they would make a better offer. That's just smart business. And it is normal that Ms would not be able to outbid Sony because they would have to pay a much higher price by default.

If I were the company to offer high numbers like that, I’d have a no shop, take it or leave it clause. As in, take my offer or I walk. No using my offer to get the competition to go higher and come back to me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I love how just because its sony its "anti consumer" if it was ms its "they are really fighting hard for next gen supremacy!" Make up your guys minds

Xbox fans were swooning for Microsoft to buy Warner Brothers.

 

[Smoke6]

What you said makes sense!
Pay for exclusives, massaged the performance differences, at the start.
The leak carrefour prices puts PS5DE at the same SRP as Series X!

Most gamers will be oblivious with this hack, and beyond 1-2 years, the acceptance that PS5DE is good value even at that SRP.

It doesnt benefit gamers in the longer haul.

So what you’re saying is that Netflix like service for video gaming is great for the gamer as long as it benefits YOU right?

you’re not worried about the overall health of these studios or this console you’re thinking of purchasing as it seems like there on there last leg in the console business as it is!

so to me it feels like MS is in a situation where there just like fuck it and throw a wrench into the mix and fuck shit up!

theh don’t even wanna sell consoles and most people don’t wanna play console games on mobile phones either!

 

[quest]

Well we find out what happens when you try to content starve your competitor they have to fight back with studio purchases. I'm sure lots of crow to be eaten in here by those money hats lol.

 

[Manwithoutfear]

Sony must have forgotten to contact Bethesda

 

[CAB_Life]

This thread aged as well as Iggy Pop.

 

[ethomaz]

Sony must have forgotten to contact Bethesda

I believe they were in touch to purchase ZeniMax too.

Sony's Rumored Acquisition Of ZeniMax Kicks Off 2020 [Update]

In a surprising series of events, It's Microsoft who has acquired ZeniMax Media instead of Sony Interactive Entertainment. Microsoft has revealed that all

segmentnext.com

Probably too expensive.

 

[mejin]

hahahaha that's what we get for trusting Insiders with ASSourcers

they don't know shit LMAO

 

[Journey]

This apparently was no issue and good for Sony. Suddenly MS pulls a bigger power move and it's a sad day for gamers? lol.

 

[BattleScar]

Paying for time exclusivity =/= Paying $7.5 billion to acquire an entire publisher.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Just when we thought we had all the answers, MS changes the question.

 

[FeiRR]

This apparently was no issue and good for Sony. Suddenly MS pulls a bigger power move and it's a sad day for gamers lol.

Is it? You're an Xbox supporter. Don't you like those games?

 

[Andodalf]

Paying for time exclusivity =/= Paying $7.5 billion to acquire an entire publisher.

I know, one promises to give devs money to expand, and fund new games

and the other just gives money to take a game already being made and not let other people play it for 6 months to a year.

 

[Journey]

Paying for time exclusivity =/= Paying $7.5 billion to acquire an entire publisher.

Pitty pat vs Hay maker

 

[Manwithoutfear]

This apparently was no issue and good for Sony. Suddenly MS pulls a bigger power move and it's a sad day for gamers lol.

how's it a sad day? now we get all these amazing games day 1 on game pass pc/cloud/xbox console. this is a fantastic day. more competition against sony. sony is doing great and has amazing exclusives. now the real console war begins.

 

[SlimySnake]

lmao. i love this bump.

these insiders and reporters dont know shit.

Sony is so fucked. Hope MS goes for the kill and gets ubisoft or take2. Sony deserves this.

 

[Swift Hunta]

I honestly think that all this means is a year exclusiveness, always on game pass, you pay full price for the game else where. When ever the deal is finalized that is.

 

[Journey]

how's it a sad day? now we get all these amazing games day 1 on game pass pc/cloud/xbox console. this is a fantastic day. more competition against sony. sony is doing great and has amazing exclusives. now the real console war begins.

It's not really, personally I game on both platforms so it won't affect me one bit. Sad day for a specific group maybe. I should edit and add a ? many people claiming its a sad day for gamer here and at reee.

 

[aliadiere25]

Sony must have forgotten to contact Bethesda

Be honest.... would you pay 7.5 billion for Bethesda? Especially with the shit they've had about their products in the last 3 years? Especially when Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 is probably like 4 years away?

Bethesda is a big company, but it seems Microsoft is in panic mode.

 

[Bodomism]

Chad Phil Spencer wins

 

[PSYGN]

Be honest.... would you pay 7.5 billion for Bethesda? Especially with the shit they've had about their products in the last 3 years? Especially when Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 is probably like 4 years away?

Bethesda is a big company, but it seems Microsoft is in panic mode.

People still buy the games so in a business sense yeah.

 

[Journey]

Be honest.... would you pay 7.5 billion for Bethesda? Especially with the shit they've had about their products in the last 3 years? Especially when Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 is probably like 4 years away?

Bethesda is a big company, but it seems Microsoft is in panic mode

From the looks of it, there's a massive group in panic mode today, and it's not Microsoft.

 

[Orta]

Sony must have forgotten to contact Bethesda

Doom Guy told Jim Ryan to go fuck himself.

 

[lock2k]

Chad Phil Spencer wins

Chill Spender lol