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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Aceofspades

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So if Sony continues to support the PS4 with future games, will we soon see a "super slim"? And a cheaper PS4 Pro?

The type of support Sony is doing to PS4 is EXACTLY what they did with PS3, PS2 and PS1. PS4 will have some games early on down-ported from PS5 and majority of new games will be impossible to run on PS4 e.g R&C . PS4 support will diminish as the new gen progresses

Has been like this forever, unlike what MS is proposing of removing generations and supporting entire Xbox ecosystem for as long as they can
 
Cyberpunk 2077:

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Absolutely looks like crap. Yes. Jesus christ.
But once they showed the gameplay in last showing nothing looked like this
 

Redlight

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It's more than likely 8K models, as you can see skin details beyond anything we've seen so far on any platform. With PS5's smart Geometry Engines and per frame polygon budget, you can throw whatever on screen and it'll only render according to the targeted budget. 3080/3090 are miles ahead of PS5's power, but they're forced to calculate multiple times more details that are unnecessary, forcing the overall used assets to be gimped.

You need to hammer that into those PC guys' heads real hard to understand it. It's not all about raw power, but how you direct it/use it. In short, be NIMBLE!

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Did you not notice that the six inch punch is much more powerful?
I guess power is important.
 
Doesn't matter. We're talking about a console released in 2000 that was supported and manufactured until 2014.

This is yet another non-issue people are deciding to cling on.

I agree about it being a non issue. I think more than anything, some people are annoyed about Horizon 2 being cross gen, due to the limitations of the PS4 hardware.

More specifically, what GG mentioned about the flying mounts being stripped due to hardware limitations.

Whilst it's possible that obstacle has been overcome, I get the feeling the game will have a decent section of the game dedicated to underwater exploration.
 
It has a better CPU, GPU and RAM. Why in the world would this result in worse games? Get your head out of your fanboy ass...

So artificial intelligence is now making games and all our robot masters are equal?

Because otherwise human factor is still the biggest deal of what kind of games we get.

CPU+RAM are almost identical on both systems, doesnt matter +-0

GPUs are bit different, one with more theoretical TF output, one with higher clocks and better usage % in theory. So it wont matter that much either

One with current gen consoles + potato PCs to drag with / spread dev budget onto

One without current gen consoles to drag on most games


So, why in the world that would result in worse games? Or why it would not?

Only talent of devs + budgets will determine if either gets worse games than another, hardware means nothing if there isnt talent behind it.
 

Redlight

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So, can't compare two cross-gen open world games? Gotcha. Ignore away!
Well apparently not all cross-gen games are created equal...
Horizon is a Next Gen exclusive, so you're comparing apples to oranges. And I'm sorry, but if you don't see the generational leap in the trailer, you're blind. As pointed, their in game cinematics match 1:1 their gameplay graphical fidelity, and they did upgrade Zero Dawn between the E3 2016 showing and the final release. I would be massively surprised if the final product doesn't look as good if not better than what we saw.
Funny how personal bias influences perception isn't it?
 

Roronoa Zoro

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Well one thing is for sure. Sony wasnt arrogant this time. In fact they seem as if they were overly paranoid of the competition. All the prices shook out as expected and launch stock is flying off shelves. Ryan does seem to be a little conservative for bringing all these games to last gen. Afraid to abandon the last gen and the large install base but sacrificing an incentive for the new gen in the process.

I'm sure they could've gotten killzone shadow fall and infamous SS to work on ps3 with enough sacrifices but I think it's better to cut things off and let the old library and third party and services support the old console. Also CUT THE PRICE of ps4 to get more people into the ecosystem and years later they can upgrade and experience MM, Horizon 2, and such. I feel this is a short sighted strategy to not upset the apple cart
 

Dodkrake

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Well apparently not all cross-gen games are created equal...

Funny how personal bias influences perception isn't it?

I'm gonna address in a separate comment. To me, HFW and SMMM still look next gen on what we were presented. HZD looked better than it looked in its trailers. Them being cross gen means their design will be nerfed, that's inevitable. Design doesn't imply graphics.

As for comparing, it's completely fair to compare an open world cross gen game running on the PS5 to an open world cross gen game running on hardware comparable to the Series X.

I don't see a bias there, please clarify
 
I don't mind keep support for ps4, but not with a game like hz2 ffs. Now I guess rip the fast traveling with robots in skies and underwaters? I just don't see how ps4 's hdd would handle stuffs at this level.

PS4 can still do it especially underwater. Even riding flying robots would be possible but graphics on PS4 will have to be compromised. I'd rather they take that approach even if it means HFW looks worse than HZD on PS4.

But being a cross-gen game, Guerrila Games cannot go bonkers with game design.
 
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Sethbacca

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Which games are everyone going with for launch? I'm 100% in on Spiderman MM (possibly Ultimate to replay the 1st game with all the extras), about 90% on Destruction All Stars (but I'd like to see more gameplay on this one). Plus I'll have Cyberpunk coming as well.

If I wasn't a fan of Bloodborne (I didn't care for the control scheme) and haven't played any of the other Souls games, is it worth a shot for me to try Demons Souls? I suppose I could always see if its on PS Now and try it there.
 
Which games are everyone going with for launch? I'm 100% in on Spiderman MM (possibly Ultimate to replay the 1st game with all the extras), about 90% on Destruction All Stars (but I'd like to see more gameplay on this one). Plus I'll have Cyberpunk coming as well.

If I wasn't a fan of Bloodborne (I didn't care for the control scheme) and haven't played any of the other Souls games, is it worth a shot for me to try Demons Souls? I suppose I could always see if its on PS Now and try it there.

Demons Souls Remake, Miles Morales Regular Edition, Black Ops Cold War for now!
 
It's funny, a lot of people here seems to either forget what happened on previous generations or started gaming on the current gen. Sony supporting the old console doesn't mean every new FP game will be crossgen.

True that, I think many are forgetting how generations have transitioned for PS. That being said lets not forget the iconic God of War 2 launched on PS2 exclusively 6 months after the PS3 had launched worldwide. So yeah God of War being a 2021 release could be a cross-gen release
 

Neo Blaster

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So Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Sackboy A Big Adventure, and Horizon Forbidden West were made for the PS5 but were ported down to PS4? Are they separate versions like there used to be in the PS2/PS3 transition?

I'm kinda lost lmao

Honestly, I won't get a new console anytime soon, but expected these specific titles to be 100% next-gen
You cannot port game design and mechanics, the two versions would have to be completely different games. It's different from Xbox One/360 situation, both still had HDDs.
 

ZehDon

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It's funny, a lot of people here seems to either forget what happened on previous generations or started gaming on the current gen. Sony supporting the old console doesn't mean every new FP game will be crossgen.
It's weird - it's almost as if Sony said they something like "we believe in generations" to contrast themselves to a competitor who said they themselves would support last-gen systems, and produced disappointing next-gen games, leading to the expectation that most new Sony games would next-gen only.
 

Sethbacca

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You cannot port game design and mechanics, the two versions would have to be completely different games. It's different from Xbox One/360 situation, both still had HDDs.

Yeah, from what I read yesterday the text said "Versions of these games" or something similar. I'm feelling like it will be a stripped down experience if you're on the last gen console. Kind of like how Shadow of Mordor had to remove whole systems when they made last gen and current gen versions.
 

Neo Blaster

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You guys been looking at the empty half of the cup. If those are cross-gen and they are the best looking in the gaming industry so far.

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Imagine what PS5-only would look like? I mean they're 100% held back, no doubt about it, but this is cross-gen done right. This is Miles Morales on PS4 Pro, not bad, but quite the jump:

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And HZD

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We'll see the PS4 version that will make it clear. Personally, this makes me excited about TLOU2/GOT upgrades!
You keep thinking about graphics and forget about game design and mechanics. We probably lost Spiderman swinging at insane speeds and Aloy flying on winged beasts.
 

Neo Blaster

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And jim "money hat" Ryan taking shots at Microsoft for cross generation is any better lol. All of them do it even the leader of Sony. We believe in generations was an empty cheap shot at Microsoft. As was expierces only on the PS5 another cross generation shot. I think mr money hat earned some crow today.
Both companies are liars, don't forget that.
 

IkarugaDE

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Every site in France are already sold out. Didn't even have the time to order mine :(

It was an absolute shit. Had extremely luck to get one at 10am CEST after Media Markt germany opened another pre-order round. I was at their site at this time. After 10 minutes it was sold out again.
 

Neo Blaster

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True that, I think many are forgetting how generations have transitioned for PS. That being said lets not forget the iconic God of War 2 launched on PS2 exclusively 6 months after the PS3 had launched worldwide. So yeah God of War being a 2021 release could be a cross-gen release
Yep, and GT6 was released exclusively for PS3 on December 2013. I remember people crying about that the same way they do now. I'm pissed about MM and HFW, but I'm not generalizing the situation like others.
 

Neo Blaster

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I wonder if Geoff Keighley was playing that Astro game with a dualsense controller on his ps4?
That's the theory many came with at that time. It would be much easier to deliver a controller and a restricted game code to download from PSN on his PS4, and explain that load screen.
 
Yep, and GT6 was released exclusively for PS3 on December 2013. I remember people crying about that the same way they do now. I'm pissed about MM and HFW, but I'm not generalizing the situation like others.

I too felt a bit disappointed to hear about the cross gen announcement. But then again I am mentally at this point where if the PS5 version, the version that I am going to get at launch if that's amazingly crisp with higher frame rates and higher quality textures then I have no reason to worry or complaint. Because the truth is none of these first party exclusives can ever look like Craig Edition of Halo Infinite.
 
Now we should expect open world games to have better lip syncing, facial expressions as well, with the same gameplay model. Tech has jumped massively since 2013, I hope it's easier to capture facial expressions without those dots, 4K/8K video capture. Now it seems extremely taxing, so let's hope that even low budget studios can have great facial expression characters. In terms of open world and facial expressions, I'm extremely impressed by Days Gone and Spider-man on PS4.

Don't forget Red Dead Redemption 2, Ghost of Tsushima!
 

Shio

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Just got back from my local game shop. Waited 2 hours in line for my pre-order. They sold out of the digital ones, luckily i got my disc one. They are doing a reward scheme where if you pay £3 when you buy your PS5 you get £18 back.
 
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