Oppoi
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It's only going to bring another gen of PS exclusives paving the way of the best looking games.
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Let's Be Clear: Xbox Series S Is Microsoft's Real Next Gen Xbox
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It's only going to bring another gen of PS exclusives paving the way of the best looking games.
tryDEATH
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Easily, you just put them on your external drive and play the of off it. Only next gen games need to be on the system SSD to be playable. Back compatibility games can be on the external drive.
indigoSociety
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Liberty4all
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I don't game as much as I used to but this thread confirms to me I'll be buying a PS5.
I expect all third party cross platform titles will be built with S as the Baseline (thanks ALOT Microsoft).
Therefore I am banking that EXCLUSIVES is where the PS5 will shine - unlike Microsoft, Sony won't be hobbled by having to develop for lower baseline specs.
I expect all third party cross platform titles will be built with S as the Baseline (thanks ALOT Microsoft).
Therefore I am banking that EXCLUSIVES is where the PS5 will shine - unlike Microsoft, Sony won't be hobbled by having to develop for lower baseline specs.
Racer!
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This could be an epic fail on Microsofts part. Everyone is over themselves on price, but thats before Craig comes knocking.
It opens up so many strategies for Sony, while Microsoft will be burdened with this for 7-8 years. They could decide to go the "Pro" way three years in. Release a 25TF Pro, and make PS5 a 1080p machine....where would that leave MS with their 4TF machine? Knowing MS, they would probably just have to abandon it and that 300$ investment does not look so good all of a sudden. Hmmm, will be interesting.
It opens up so many strategies for Sony, while Microsoft will be burdened with this for 7-8 years. They could decide to go the "Pro" way three years in. Release a 25TF Pro, and make PS5 a 1080p machine....where would that leave MS with their 4TF machine? Knowing MS, they would probably just have to abandon it and that 300$ investment does not look so good all of a sudden. Hmmm, will be interesting.
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Blond
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Riff Raff are you testing lyrics for a new song?
PerfectDark
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The writing was on the wall months ago. MS only cares about gamepass as a service. The company that invented charging for free online.
PC, Switch, PS5. Will never buy a xbox again.
PC, Switch, PS5. Will never buy a xbox again.
JLB
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I'm conviced that 7-8 years cycles are a thing of the past.
In 2020 we already have things like 3080 that completely obliterates both PS5 and Xbox Series X in raw power. These consoles will feel absurdly outdated by 2024 or so.
VisualFidelity
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Series S= For all the people that say resolution doesnt matter
Series X= For all the hardcore gamers that want the prettiest graphics
$299 with Gamepass subscribtion and 3gen of backward compatibility, enhanced. You honestly cant beat this value, not even close.
For PS5, assuming its 499-599, plus 2 games on launch you are forking out 700.
350 vs 700 because casuals dont care about 4k
Series X= For all the hardcore gamers that want the prettiest graphics
$299 with Gamepass subscribtion and 3gen of backward compatibility, enhanced. You honestly cant beat this value, not even close.
For PS5, assuming its 499-599, plus 2 games on launch you are forking out 700.
350 vs 700 because casuals dont care about 4k
JLB
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If charging for online is an unforgettable heresy, call out all the companies that implement such business practice. You know, its like if I go to street, rob someone and say "You'know, someone else rob before me, im not the problem!".
Batiman
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Embarrassing....9 months of xbox fanboys crowing over 12 teraflops this and teraflops that, and on a dime all of a sudden they don't care.
What Xbox fanboys are you talking about here? You’re acting like OPs opinion is official. Even if it was, the XSX didn’t somehow disappear. Grow up
JLB
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But why that would be a problem at all, or a particular problem for MS?
I mean, it sounds quite logical: Microsoft want to go the mobile route: Sub to Xbox All Access, pay a monthly fee for the hardware + the sub, come back in two/three years to replace your old model for the new one.
The most ironic thing about your post is that the X1X will be able to play the same games as the XSS. I guess if you have money to burn, it's within your right to do so.
He's not wrong. The XSS is MS's attempt at cashing in on people who can't afford an XSX. It's both a good and confusing move.
The 'real' next gen will be seen on PS5 because the baseline is higher. Xbox games will be developed to not just hit the XSS, but also X1 consoles (due to crossplay). This will continue until the X1 is no longer supported, and there's no timeframe for that. Remember how the Xbox 360 couldn't rely on a HDD because some of its early SKUs did not come with a hard drive? This will be no different. The XSX is only as good as its lowest common denominator, which confusingly is the X1 (until further notice). From there, it'll be the XSS. The XSX library is going to basically be upscaled versions of XSS games, which is fundamentally dumb IMO.
Meanwhile the PS5 is designed to play ... PS5 games. No gimmicky SKUs - just a PS5.
If you're broke, the XSS will give you marginal improvements over the X1X. If you're looking for a more premium experience, go with XSX or PS5. If you want true next gen, go with custom PC.
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EverydayBeast
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Xbox has a chance to tie Sony next generation they tell us they’ll only be one PS4 and we got to a slim version, pro version etc. nothing to worry about if you’re SONY prices are finally here baby
JLB
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There's plenty of fronts where Microsoft is not "inferior": It has the most affordable next gen console, the most powerful one, a service like Gamepass that is the best of its own, and you are not held on a single platform, you can use the games of the service on a PC or even an Android phone.
First party is really cool, although someone could argue that Sony and Nintendo have better games. But FH4, MS FS 2020, Ori, Cuphead, Gears, etc. are not bad at all. And the future is particularly interesting on exclusive games, considering the fantastic studios they acquired.
LordOfChaos
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Horray, a 3% difference in CPU clock speed (SMT on).
Not like that'll be washed out by differences in APIs, OSs, dedicated ASIC hardware, etc.
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JLB
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XSX and PS5 already feel outdated in 2020, compared to a 3090. In 5 years probably a considerable chunk of gamers will be using streaming platforms, anyway.
SlicedBread3
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Walter Matthau
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JLB
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And that is not necessarily a bad thing for MS, at all. See, I guess that part of having a low entry console is to tempt PS5 and Nintendo users to go and buy a cheap GamePass box as a second console. And if you have a decent PC, the better: You dont even need to pay for a box, pass the credit card and you are ready to go.
Hyperbole isn't a good look for you. 2025 is barely 5 years out - well within the console's lifecycle.
Racer!
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They are inferior on all of the important metric that sells consoles (games), hence why PS4 won the generation. Having to account for many weak platforms/hardware, makes it exponentially harder to push the boundaries and create next gen games.
I`m afraid this could be the result
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Get ready for a LONG generation then. The only way a game is going to look truly next gen is if they go 1080p/30fps, and nobody is going to dare do that. Instead, it's going to be basically what we have today at a higher resolution.
McCheese
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How could they now? How can they go 1080p on the series X if they have to support the series s, doubt ms would allow a 640p game on it.
We all know what the s stands for
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mekes
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Completely agree. I mean I had a shred of interest for the announcement because it’s a new console and all. But that quickly faded when I realised it would be holding 95% of next gen hostage to current gen standards.
Racer!
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How could they now? How can they go 1080p on the series X if they have to support the series s.
We all know what the s stands for
They cant. And that could become a really big problem.
JLB
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I dont think thats what really happened. Even if you check the PS4 exclusives during the first 1.5 / 2 years, they were pretty lacky.
IMO PS4 was a success for a variety of reasons: Terrible, confusing message from Xbox, DRM, higher price, lower specs, the mandatory bundled Kinect and the controversial OG Xbox One design. And of course a fantastic presentation from Sony, a well received hardware, and clear improvement from PS3.
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Racer!
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If Xbox One had great games, it could come back from all that. But they would have to outdo Sony, which they didnt.
How they are going to do it with this strategy is beyond me. This strategy is laid out by some business person with no creative vision. The vision here is to grab as much money as possible.
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JLB
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Its not just about games.
Dreamcast was an incredible machine, literally was like having an arcade at home: Sega Rally, Daytona USA, House Of The Dead, Sonic Adventures, Phantasy Star Online, Shenmue, Ferrari 355, Soul Edge, etc etc etc
Guess what? Production was halted less than 2 years after release.
Games are just part of the equation, but not everything.
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I anticipate that the launch Series S will be thrown aside in 2-3 years, whenever the bulk of the launch period payment plans expire, and be replaced by a more powerful Series S plus or whatever they decide to call the next version.
I can’t see this generation being held back by a last gen refresh.
I can’t see this generation being held back by a last gen refresh.
Once HI was finally demoed it was clear that lockhart was dragging it down because the lowest common denominator always does that.
The problem MS will have is keeping 4flops relevant throughout the life cycle because once engines mature there will be some eye-popping shit out there, especially on PC.
Secondly those 4 flops will ALWAYS hold back the XsX until it gets its own exclusive which looks unlikely now at this price point.
Thirdly, there's also the issue of non SSD pc configs holding back xbox games because only a minority will actually upgrade.
Beavo on the price though, this should create some downward pressure on PS who have to deep discount the DE because securing people onto digital will shape PS6 success.
The problem MS will have is keeping 4flops relevant throughout the life cycle because once engines mature there will be some eye-popping shit out there, especially on PC.
Secondly those 4 flops will ALWAYS hold back the XsX until it gets its own exclusive which looks unlikely now at this price point.
Thirdly, there's also the issue of non SSD pc configs holding back xbox games because only a minority will actually upgrade.
Beavo on the price though, this should create some downward pressure on PS who have to deep discount the DE because securing people onto digital will shape PS6 success.
Walter Matthau
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Hezekiah
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The 3090 isn't even released yet, so that's not a viable reference point. Also only a tiny proportion of gamers will buy a $1499 3090. I will be buying a 3080 though, and that's comparable to a ~20tf RDNA 2 GPU apparently.
Probably the type of person who owned a CRT tv up until six months ago.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Eh, so be it then. People should know that weaker hardware means it can't always do some of the things the stronger hardware can. I just think it won't be egregious WRT cut features or such for a game using Series X as the baseline that then needs to be scaled down to Series S.
But that's comparing $500 consoles to a $1500 GPU. Not really fair.
It'd be like calling the PS1 outdated back at its release because the SEGA Model 2 ran circles around it graphically. It was a $300 console, Model 2 was an arcade board costing in the thousands (some cabinets going for $10,000 IIRC). Of course the more expensive option will be more powerful, but you have to look at the markets being served too and take that into account.
For home consoles, PS5 and Series X are in no way outdated. Against the vast majority of GPUs, CPUs, and SSDs gamers have on PC, they are not outdated at all.
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RCU005
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I hate the hypocrisy that has been going on.
When the XSX and PS5 specs were announced, people were saying how the PS5 doesn't hold a candle to the Series X, even with the SSD and whatnot. There are a bunch of threads and post about it, and people mocking PS5 fans that the SSD was just a secret sauce, that it wouldn't just be enough to even reach Series X potential.
They said that EVERY third party game would be better on the Xbox Series X because of how it could reach higher resolutions and frame rates. They said that the PS5 will hold this generation back.
But now, here comes the Series S! Suddenly, this MAGICAL 4TF box it's somehow able to do the EXACT same games as the XSX with 12TF MINUS the resolution. Somehow, the 10TF that the PS5, are not enough to even have 1080p game running smoothly, but the magical series S can, and even better than the PS5!
The worst of this, is that it's not just people here complaining or being fanboys, etc. The problem is, that you see important sites and journalists saying things like "The Xbox Series S will still do the exact same games as the Series X without no compromise other than resolution"
That's false!! I mean, it's true, but that's because the Xbox Series X will be held back, not because the Series S is a magical console that can do all.
Another thing that baffles me is the reaction about price. Yes, it's a $300 console, yes it's cheap! But people are reacting as if EVERYONE and their mother would want a Series S ONLY because of the price.
Many casual gamers would get a Nintendo Switch in the first place. Secondly, while the price is great and Microsoft's strategy is also great, they should be a little bit more reserved and report things more objectively than just fanboying around. There's much more than the price, like the games for instances, and Xbox next gen console(s) don't look very well in that regard at the moment.
I'm excited that in a few years, neither Sony nor Microsoft will have any other thing but games to battle it out. None will have any advantages like the 360 did and the PS4 did. It will be about the games (and services and stuff), but no one will be crippled this time.
All in all, this is not about me bashing the Series S. It's me annoyed about the hypocrisy of people saying one thing, then months later saying the opposite and acting like all is fine (or worse, denying it).
When the XSX and PS5 specs were announced, people were saying how the PS5 doesn't hold a candle to the Series X, even with the SSD and whatnot. There are a bunch of threads and post about it, and people mocking PS5 fans that the SSD was just a secret sauce, that it wouldn't just be enough to even reach Series X potential.
They said that EVERY third party game would be better on the Xbox Series X because of how it could reach higher resolutions and frame rates. They said that the PS5 will hold this generation back.
But now, here comes the Series S! Suddenly, this MAGICAL 4TF box it's somehow able to do the EXACT same games as the XSX with 12TF MINUS the resolution. Somehow, the 10TF that the PS5, are not enough to even have 1080p game running smoothly, but the magical series S can, and even better than the PS5!
The worst of this, is that it's not just people here complaining or being fanboys, etc. The problem is, that you see important sites and journalists saying things like "The Xbox Series S will still do the exact same games as the Series X without no compromise other than resolution"
That's false!! I mean, it's true, but that's because the Xbox Series X will be held back, not because the Series S is a magical console that can do all.
Another thing that baffles me is the reaction about price. Yes, it's a $300 console, yes it's cheap! But people are reacting as if EVERYONE and their mother would want a Series S ONLY because of the price.
Many casual gamers would get a Nintendo Switch in the first place. Secondly, while the price is great and Microsoft's strategy is also great, they should be a little bit more reserved and report things more objectively than just fanboying around. There's much more than the price, like the games for instances, and Xbox next gen console(s) don't look very well in that regard at the moment.
I'm excited that in a few years, neither Sony nor Microsoft will have any other thing but games to battle it out. None will have any advantages like the 360 did and the PS4 did. It will be about the games (and services and stuff), but no one will be crippled this time.
All in all, this is not about me bashing the Series S. It's me annoyed about the hypocrisy of people saying one thing, then months later saying the opposite and acting like all is fine (or worse, denying it).
Reallink
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Series S is the "real next-gen" console of the whole industry for the next 7-8+ years, not just Microsoft. I fully expect it will sell near parity with PS5 (units wise), and don't foresee any developers being willing to target below 1080p for that reason. So whatever 4TF can produce at 1080p/30 is the standard of the entire generation, PS5 and SX will just be uprez's of that.
Gravemind
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Seems more likely to me that it was the Jaguar cores in the base Xbox One that was holding back Halo Infinite. I dont think Series S hardware had anything to do with that to be honest.
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Humdinger
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I don't know if calling it "the real next gen Xbox" fits. I'm sure it will be "the most popular or best-selling next-gen Xbox," but "the real"? That makes it sound as if XSX is not a real next-gen option. In a way, the XSX is the real next gen box, and this is more of a half step. I know the CPU and SSD are next-gen, but the TF and overall rendering power aren't that much better than the X1X or even PS4 Pro.
I can see the appeal, though. It's a cheap entry point. MS couldn't go all-in on next gen (XSX) or they'd defeat their strategy of getting everyone on board for GP. They had to have a cheaper option.
I'm not sure how much it'll hold back development. It makes sense that it would hold it back less than the Xbox One would, because of the CPU and memory similarities. Perhaps scalability will be a real thing this time. I don't have enough tech/dev knowledge to guess.
I can see the appeal, though. It's a cheap entry point. MS couldn't go all-in on next gen (XSX) or they'd defeat their strategy of getting everyone on board for GP. They had to have a cheaper option.
I'm not sure how much it'll hold back development. It makes sense that it would hold it back less than the Xbox One would, because of the CPU and memory similarities. Perhaps scalability will be a real thing this time. I don't have enough tech/dev knowledge to guess.