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Best 2020 Television for Next Gen

last time i checked panasonic was better in color accuracy both out of the box and after regulations, but it was 2018.
At that times lg was the better one for gaming, sony the better one for motion processing like you said, and panasonic was the better overall.

i remember about the only contest hdtv made for oled tv


i don't know what changed since then, but every brand is better in something, panasonic with color accuracy, sony with motion and lg with game features, samsung for less input lag if i remember well.

here in europe lg and panasonic are cheaper than sony most of the times, it's a shame that you have to pay a surplus for panasonic in US, they are great tv.
In 2018 lg held an significant input lag advantage, but in 2020 it’s a lot more subtle.

The difference between lg colors and Sony is much larger than Sony vs. pan.

Panasonic vs. Sony ; if it isn’t the brighter hz2000 model I wouldn’t even consider Panasonic over Sony unless they were a similar cost, and I’d go for Sony for the lack of hitches in its motion.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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4k/120 Hz is the least important feature of 2.1, and largely forgettable. But things like VRR and wider color space make a big difference.

If not interested in 2.1 Specs, I think the Panasonic Oled GZ950 offer tremendous value. For some reason is very cheap, and the image quality (in all departments, all HDR formats, etc.) is almost on top.
I would take it, if I would have to choose among the existing TVs, but I prefer to wait till there will be a TV compatible with all the new standards. I did the same in 2007 and I never regretted that decision.
120hz is by far the most important feature of HDMI 2.1 spec and the biggest reason people are upgrading by far.

People sleeping on 120hz are hilarious.

With COD Cold War already announcing support.
It's heeeeeeerrreeeeeee.

OLED and gaming don't mix IMO.

My choice for 2020's best gaming display is the 2 HDMI 2.1 port full bandwidth/48gb non burn in having....

Sony X900H
 
120hz is by far the most important feature of HDMI 2.1 spec and the biggest reason people are upgrading by far.

People sleeping on 120hz are hilarious.

With COD Cold War already announcing support.
It's heeeeeeerrreeeeeee.

OLED and gaming don't mix IMO.

My choice for 2020's best gaming display is the 2 HDMI 2.1 port full bandwidth/48gb non burn in having....

Sony X900H
The x900h is a much shittier version of the x900e from 2017 lol. Which was a great lcd at the time. Oled is far superior unless it’s a no name brand.

But hey, 2.1!

People aren’t sleeping on 120hz. It’s 4k120.

As in it’s cute people think 120hz games unless 2d or indie are going to be more than 1440p.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

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The x900h is a much shittier version of the x900e from 2017 lol. Which was a great lcd at the time. Oled is far superior unless it’s a no name brand.

But hey, 2.1!

People aren’t sleeping on 120hz. It’s 4k120.

As in it’s cute people think 120hz games unless 2d or indie are going to be more than 1440p.
It has better blacks,better motion,wayyy lower input lag,HDMI 2.1/120hz,way faster UI and Dolby Vision so no the 900E is not even close to the X900H actually.

Besides burn in LG picture processing pales in comparison to Sony and LG.

Real 4K/120 or not 120 arrives in non PC gamer homes when COD CW releases.
Shit is real.
 
It has better blacks,better motion,wayyy lower input lag,HDMI 2.1/120hz,way faster UI and Dolby Vision so no the 900E is not even close to the X900H actually.

Besides burn in LG picture processing pales in comparison to Sony and LG.

Real 4K/120 or not 120 arrives in non PC gamer homes when COD CW releases.
Shit is real.
Nope. The 900h gets brighter while having the same or fewer dimming zones than 900e ; hence worse blacks and more blooming. Not to mention Sony’s QA has slipped ; you’ll get worse screen uniformity.

You’re buying an inferior product overall.

You don’t get burn in on 2018 or newer oled unless you play cod 8 or more hours a day.

With varied content like a normal person it’s a non starter of an argument and ultimately you’re only saving money.
 
I had a B7 OLED that I gamed on daily for 3 years. Never had an ounce of burn in. Now I have a e9 OLED which is even better at preventing it. Been 3 months no issues. Compared to my hisense h9g in the bedroom which is very impressive for an led, an OLED has much better motion in dark scenes, better color saturation, and obviously best black levels. If you don't plan on leaving your TV on one scene for 8 hours at a time, burn in is not an issue. The only thing I do when I've been having a static image on screen for a very long time is put it on a movie before I turn off the TV so it can effectively engage all the pixels and refresh them
 
120hz is by far the most important feature of HDMI 2.1 spec and the biggest reason people are upgrading by far.

People sleeping on 120hz are hilarious.

With COD Cold War already announcing support.
It's heeeeeeerrreeeeeee.

OLED and gaming don't mix IMO.

My choice for 2020's best gaming display is the 2 HDMI 2.1 port full bandwidth/48gb non burn in having....

Sony X900H
Just these cross gen games may support 120hz.Dream on if you think next gen games will often run at 120 fps. It will most likely run at 60 with a lower resolution. Hdmi 2.1 may end up not being that important after all, unless you hook the TV on a pc.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

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Nope. The 900h gets brighter while having the same or fewer dimming zones than 900e ; hence worse blacks and more blooming. Not to mention Sony’s QA has slipped ; you’ll get worse screen uniformity.

You’re buying an inferior product overall.

You don’t get burn in on 2018 or newer oled unless you play cod 8 or more hours a day.

With varied content like a normal person it’s a non starter of an argument and ultimately you’re only saving money.
NOPE the X900H uses a brand new SOC that has a far superior algorithm to other Sony TV's like the 900E.
The blacks and blooming is greatly reduced in comparison.

OLED defenders can "claim" no burn in all they want but it's inherited to the tech.
Reducing it doesn't mean it's gone. You guys can spin defend it being a non issue all you want but internet wide the horror stories are real.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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Just these cross gen games may support 120hz.Dream on if you think next gen games will often run at 120 fps. It will most likely run at 60 with a lower resolution. Hdmi 2.1 may end up not being that important
COD uses a next gen engine and is a looker.(even on PS4 Pro/X)
COD CW is a LAUNCH game.
Things will improve as they come to grips with these consoles.
With the biggest game having support expect much more games to follow throughout the generation.
 
NOPE the X900H uses a brand new SOC that has a far superior algorithm to other Sony TV's like the 900E.
The blacks and blooming is greatly reduced in comparison.

OLED defenders can "claim" no burn in all they want but it's inherited to the tech.
Reducing it doesn't mean it's gone. You guys can spin defend it being a non issue all you want but internet wide the horror stories are real.
Please do more research. Hdtvtest videos are a good start.

The x900h uses the same x1 chipset as the 900e, though its options menu is more limited than the 900e so ultimately, it’s a worse implementation sans the input lag and single 2.1 port which will be useless outside of the handful of aforementioned games.

I’m not in the oled camp like it’s a faction, but the black level, motion response and uniformity are night and day better than lcd. Maybe Sony mini led quantum dot color conversion will be better whenever that hits.

I mean it can’t have as good of black level, but perhaps overall that’ll be close enough plus way more bright. and also still not as good of motion response as oled 👌

And yes, burn in on 2018 panels or newer is a proven non issue when watching varied content.

For the people that actually do play the same games with the same hud 8 hours+ for months, the q90t is the best 2020 lcd.
 
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LG CX, it's better than the C9, even with the 40Gbps instead of 48. Because nothing fully utilises that 48, so you shouldn't care about that. Visually the CX is just a better tv than the C9.
 

Bankai

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LG CX, it's better than the C9, even with the 40Gbps instead of 48. Because nothing fully utilises that 48, so you shouldn't care about that. Visually the CX is just a better tv than the C9.

Better how? The faster processor doesn't do anything significant for picture quality, according to reviewers like HDTV Test. Furthermore, there is STILL big bugs in the firmware of the CX - which causes elevated blacklevels in Dolby Vision content for example.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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Please do more research. Hdtvtest videos are a good start.

The x900h uses the same x1 chipset as the 900e, though its options menu is more limited than the 900e so ultimately, it’s a worse implementation sans the input lag and single 2.1 port which will be useless outside of the handful of aforementioned games.

I’m not in the oled camp like it’s a faction, but the black level, motion response and uniformity are night and day better than lcd. Maybe Sony mini led quantum dot color conversion will be better whenever that hits.

I mean it can’t have as good of black level, but perhaps overall that’ll be close enough plus way more bright. and also still not as good of motion response as oled 👌

And yes, burn in on 2018 panels or newer is a proven non issue when watching varied content.

For the people that actually do play the same games with the same hud 8 hours+ for months, the q90t is the best 2020 lcd.
The X900H uses the MT5895 with a new X1.

It's by far the fastest chipset in any TV.

Oled burns in 2-3 hours straight according to Robert from VE(admitted oled lover)
Oled does not have a cure for its burn in problem and never will.
Nor does it get bright enough.
 
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Better how? The faster processor doesn't do anything significant for picture quality, according to reviewers like HDTV Test. Furthermore, there is STILL big bugs in the firmware of the CX - which causes elevated blacklevels in Dolby Vision content for example.
Well the better processor does return better picture quality, not significantly, but better. The C9 is an amazing TV, I wouldn't buy a CX if I would already own a C9, but if you have to buy something new. I would buy the CX.
 

GymWolf

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In 2018 lg held an significant input lag advantage, but in 2020 it’s a lot more subtle.

The difference between lg colors and Sony is much larger than Sony vs. pan.

Panasonic vs. Sony ; if it isn’t the brighter hz2000 model I wouldn’t even consider Panasonic over Sony unless they were a similar cost, and I’d go for Sony for the lack of hitches in its motion.
I don't care about brightness, ialways play and watch stuff in a dark room, i do care about having accurate colors out of the box without calling a specialist and panasonic is the best at it.

I bought mine (the winner of that contest i posted) for 1432 euros, the best price for a sony at that time was over 2000 euros...

Are the difference in motions that big between sony and pana? And what do we excatly mean with motion? What are the flaws that disappear by having good motion? Sorry i'm kinda of a noob with these things.
 
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COD uses a next gen engine and is a looker.(even on PS4 Pro/X)
COD CW is a LAUNCH game.
Things will improve as they come to grips with these consoles.
With the biggest game having support expect much more games to follow throughout the generation.
Ok call me back next year to give me a list of the handful list of games running at 120 fps
 
NOPE the X900H uses a brand new SOC that has a far superior algorithm to other Sony TV's like the 900E.
The blacks and blooming is greatly reduced in comparison.

OLED defenders can "claim" no burn in all they want but it's inherited to the tech.
Reducing it doesn't mean it's gone. You guys can spin defend it being a non issue all you want but internet wide the horror stories are real.
I am a proud owner of a burn in B6 lg oled TV lol unfortunately it's real no more oleds for me unless lg starts to offer an extended warranty against burn in.
 

Tickrate

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Sigh, you really have to do your very best for any burn-in on a OLED. You get what you pay for. Get yourself a LG C9 and you won't regret it.
 
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Nameless

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4K/120 always dominates HDMI 2.1 discussions when it isn't just about hitting those extremes, but not being shackled to a 4K/60 cap throughout next gen. After all there's a ton of real estate between 61-120fps, and I think that middle ground is where a lot of console games will shine. A game running between, say, 75 and 90fps, with VRR, will still see a major bump in fluidity and motion clarity compared to 60fps.
 

LokusAbriss

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It really depends on the market you have access to. Central europe her and no special TCL or Hisense models that would be interesting. After watching many reviews and keeping an eye on the market, my choice went to the XG95 and XH90 (X900H). In the end, I went with the XH90 for the gaming features and the much better android experience. I am very happy with it, but I don't think hdmi 2.1 and 120hz are necessities today or tomorrow.

Having seen OLED live, I believe it is the best for picture quality. But I would never take the chance with burn in. If you are not concerned about it, OLED is a no brainer. Samsung seems solid too, but only at the very high end.

While the X900H works for me and delivers a superb image, I don't believe it is for everyone. Colours are very natural and accurate, they dont pop as much as with competitor products. The image quality is very good, game mode works flawless and 4k content looks very good. But the XG95 and XH90 also get much brighter, which is important for HDR. Something to consider chosing over the X900H.

I believe that image quality and input lag are way more important than those new gaming features. I still went with the X900H, because we don't have the budget options here that would come close.
 

boneso

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Don't listen to people on GAF for which TV to buy because everyone will either, try to justify their own purchase by telling you to get what they have. Or, just say whatever the most expensive TV they can find is.

Go to the people who test these things in depth, day in day out.

I recommending starting here...

 

HeisenbergFX4

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This thread wow.

The X900H is a great TV and I love that it has HDMI 2.1 as does my 77" C9.

Thing is I can leave my 900H running all the time on the same station as I watch stock tickers often and I never have to worry about burn in.

Plus I feel this TV is a little future proof for mid gen refreshes and hope we get more games running 4k 120 then.
 
this one is sheer console excellence for quality flat entertainment:

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Dabaus

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This thread wow.

The X900H is a great TV and I love that it has HDMI 2.1 as does my 77" C9.

Thing is I can leave my 900H running all the time on the same station as I watch stock tickers often and I never have to worry about burn in.

Plus I feel this TV is a little future proof for mid gen refreshes and hope we get more games running 4k 120 then.

Right Now its a tossup between the 900H and the Samung Q90T. I want the sony tv but am going to wait on the HDMI 2.1 firmware update and see how good it actually is. The samsung is a little expensive and black friday,heck even labor day, is right around the corner. Might wait to see if any deals pop up.
 
Don't listen to people on GAF for which TV to buy because everyone will either, try to justify their own purchase by telling you to get what they have. Or, just say whatever the most expensive TV they can find is.

Go to the people who test these things in depth, day in day out.

I recommending starting here...


Yup guy starts off saying he not getting the BEST tv cause of burnout lol been using OLED TVs since 2014 and never experienced burnout
 

Xellos

Member
For HDMI 2.1 75" LED this year it's x900h or bust IMO. Picture is reasonably good and the price is not bad. I think x950h has better picture though and would think about waiting until next year, assuming the successor gets HDMI 2.1. The wide-angle color filter gets flack in reviews because it results in slightly lower contrast, but in real-life viewing it's a nice feature. Also helps that x950h has more dimming zones.
 
I don't care about brightness, ialways play and watch stuff in a dark room, i do care about having accurate colors out of the box without calling a specialist and panasonic is the best at it.

I bought mine (the winner of that contest i posted) for 1432 euros, the best price for a sony at that time was over 2000 euros...

Are the difference in motions that big between sony and pana? And what do we excatly mean with motion? What are the flaws that disappear by having good motion? Sorry i'm kinda of a noob with these things.
Hz2000 extra brightness matters in hdr content, to get brighter hdr highlights, not a brighter overall picture.

Sony colors are pretty accurate out of the box, maybe a touch cool out of the box on my a8h.

When I say motion I mean - 1. sony's motion interpolation technology, used to take lower frame rate content and make it smoother ; exhibits the least amount of artifacts or breakage in the industry, even compared to panasonic. You need motion interpolation, esp. on oled because 24fps movies combined with oleds lightning response time means a lot of stutter otherwise.

2. Least amount of stutter in motion. Panasonic can hitch up when a lot of smoke fills the screen in a movie for example.

But honestly, if panasonic is cheaper in UK, just go for that. just make sure it's a HZ series so you get that sweet 120hz BFI like the sony a8h.

At the same price, I might choose the hz2000 over the sony. The sony over the hz1000 for sure.
 
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GymWolf

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Hz2000 extra brightness matters in hdr content, to get brighter hdr highlights, not a brighter overall picture.

Sony colors are pretty accurate out of the box, maybe a touch cool out of the box on my a8h.

When I say motion I mean - 1. sony's motion interpolation technology, used to take lower frame rate content and make it smoother ; exhibits the least amount of artifacts or breakage in the industry, even compared to panasonic. You need motion interpolation, esp. on oled because 24fps movies combined with oleds lightning response time means a lot of stutter otherwise.

2. Least amount of stutter in motion. Panasonic can hitch up when a lot of smoke fills the screen in a movie for example.

But honestly, if panasonic is cheaper in UK, just go for that. just make sure it's a HZ series so you get that sweet 120hz BFI like the sony a8h.

At the same price, I might choose the hz2000 over the sony. The sony over the hz1000 for sure.
i'm from italy :lollipop_grinning_sweat: , and i'm waiting 2021-2022 to change my tv most probably but thanks for the heads up.
 
The X900H uses the MT5895 with a new X1.

It's by far the fastest chipset in any TV.

Oled burns in 2-3 hours straight according to Robert from VE(admitted oled lover)
Oled does not have a cure for its burn in problem and never will.
Nor does it get bright enough.
The best algorithm in the world can't cheat the physics of having 32 zones. The 900e had 32 zones, so unless there's magic involved, a brighter image with the same zones gets you elevated blacks and more bloom. Their algorithm has been the same since 2017.

It's the X1 with less picture settings and hdmi 2.1 it is slower than x1 ultimate which is still used on the expensive models. But w\e hope you've justified your purchase:messenger_winking:
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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The best algorithm in the world can't cheat the physics of having 32 zones. The 900e had 32 zones, so unless there's magic involved, a brighter image with the same zones gets you elevated blacks and more bloom. Their algorithm has been the same since 2017.

It's the X1 with less picture settings and hdmi 2.1 it is slower than x1 ultimate which is still used on the expensive models. But w\e hope you've justified your purchase:messenger_winking:
Yes better algorithms due to significantly better processing plus more fine tuning of the tech can and has made the X900H a far better tv.

The new SOC uses the fastest chip in any TV including the Z8H.

I suggest some actual research on it as you
have no clue what you are talking about.
 
I got a B6 and the burn concern in legit. I got burn in 2 years after owning the TV and it sucks. Never getting an oled again without some type of insurance. (IF EXISTS). The picture is unmatched though.
Damn dude, that fucking sucks. What's you're playing habits? Personally, I'm waiting on TCL's Vidrian TV later this year. I hope they knock it out of the park because so far I'm not impressed by what's in the market outside of OLED. OLED is last resort for me. I love the picture quality, but with my gaming habits and my girlfriends YouTube/Netfilx/Hulu habits; I just don't trust it to last.
 

Dabaus

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For HDMI 2.1 75" LED this year it's x900h or bust IMO. Picture is reasonably good and the price is not bad. I think x950h has better picture though and would think about waiting until next year, assuming the successor gets HDMI 2.1. The wide-angle color filter gets flack in reviews because it results in slightly lower contrast, but in real-life viewing it's a nice feature. Also helps that x950h has more dimming zones.

Right Now im definatley leaning towards the sony tv i just want to see if the 2.1 hdmi update will be good. Wish sony would communicate when we could expect it.
 

Thanati

Member
Great time for this thread. I'm looking to get a new TV, my 10 year old 1080p tv is starting to look a bit long in the tooth :)
 
Yes better algorithms due to significantly better processing plus more fine tuning of the tech can and has made the X900H a far better tv.

The new SOC uses the fastest chip in any TV including the Z8H.

I suggest some actual research on it as you
have no clue what you are talking about.
X900H is a great TV, but only so much can be done with 32 dimming zones. I don't know if you've bought one already, or are thinking of getting one, but I would wait (if you can or even care). Samsung and Sony will be switching to mini-LED next year. There's no way they're going to let Vizio, Hisense, and TCL, dominate them in dimming zones like they are this year. This also ties into trying to remain a premium brand. Samsung and Sony know how the Chinese manufactures have long ate the low cost, high volume market. Now they're expecting them to do the same in the high-end LCD market as well. Again, expect them to go full-out with mini-LED next year, and in the meantime prepare to dive head first into QD-OLED to secure their premium badge.
 

Protocol7

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You should wait for 2021 models (even 2022 I would say). Except if you are in a hurry of course. I don't think it's a good idea to buy a TV the year next gen consoles are being released.

Again all depends if you really really need a new TV or if it's just a compulsory buy.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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X900H is a great TV, but only so much can be done with 32 dimming zones. I don't know if you've bought one already, or are thinking of getting one, but I would wait (if you can or even care). Samsung and Sony will be switching to mini-LED next year. There's no way they're going to let Vizio, Hisense, and TCL, dominate them in dimming zones like they are this year. This also ties into trying to remain a premium brand. Samsung and Sony know how the Chinese manufactures have long ate the low cost, high volume market. Now they're expecting them to do the same in the high-end LCD market as well. Again, expect them to go full-out with mini-LED next year, and in the meantime prepare to dive head first into QD-OLED to secure their premium badge.
I own it and multiple other TV's including a 75 inch Z9D.
Samsung comes short for my tastes even though I was tempted by the Q900TS...I found the X900H to be a better overall purchase and I saved a shiton of cash.

Vizio isn't a option and Hisense lacks certain things I need.

The TCL Vidrian is something I would of strongly considered but isn't available.
I say considered because TCL image processing is still behind Sony as are all other TV makers with the exception of Panasonic but they don't make HQ FALD/LED's in the states.
 
I own it and multiple other TV's including a 75 inch Z9D.
Samsung comes short for my tastes even though I was tempted by the Q900TS...I found the X900H to be a better overall purchase and I saved a shiton of cash.

Vizio isn't a option and Hisense lacks certain things I need.

The TCL Vidrian is something I would of strongly considered but isn't available.
I say considered because TCL image processing is still behind Sony as are all other TV makers with the exception of Panasonic but they don't make HQ FALD/LED's in the states.
Considering Vidrian is their first 8K set, I would hope they'd upgrade the hell out of their image processing. Obviously hasn't come out yet but I'm sure it will arrive just in time for next-gen consoles. This will be the flagship set so I expect improvements. Vidrian does bring some interesting improvements simply through its manufacturing process. At the end of the day though, TCL still needs to put in the work as it relates to motion handling, color accuracy, and dimming control.
 
Damn dude, that fucking sucks. What's you're playing habits? Personally, I'm waiting on TCL's Vidrian TV later this year. I hope they knock it out of the park because so far I'm not impressed by what's in the market outside of OLED. OLED is last resort for me. I love the picture quality, but with my gaming habits and my girlfriends YouTube/Netfilx/Hulu habits; I just don't trust it to last.
A lot of Playstation and switch gaming plus regular TV and Netflix, etc. I have no clue how it happened though but it's in the muddle of the TV and it's distracting depending on the content I'm watching
 
Yes better algorithms due to significantly better processing plus more fine tuning of the tech can and has made the X900H a far better tv.

The new SOC uses the fastest chip in any TV including the Z8H.

I suggest some actual research on it as you
have no clue what you are talking about.


"32 zones is 32 zones is 32 zones." 5:50

"The X1 ultimate chipset" 11:50

"features such as smooth gradation missing." 7:50

Continue your knuckle dragging about your inferior Lcd. You can see how horrible the blooming is in the zone test (yes I realize it's overexposed by the camera, but contrast it to the 900e test and it's far far worse in his own video) And logically (a foreign concept to you it seems) the 900h shouldn't have Teh FaSTest chip when it's a budget option, but you think it does for some reason.

Now excuse me while I enjoy bloomless perfect blacks, great uniformity and near instant response time on my sony oled. You've been buried.
 
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