bluetooth 5.1, Does this mean i can use my apple airpods pro?
Oh I understand that. I've got 3 consoles and only 1 is hooked up to ethernet which is the XB1X in livingroom where I have a ethernet switch. I know for a fact there is difference because 4K Youtube videos start up immediately on the ethernet connections vs 5+seconds of buffering on the wifi connections.
My router doesn't need to take advantage of ps5 wifi 6 because my router already allows me to prioritize traffic from multiple devices.So you already can take advantage of PS5 WiFi 6... I need to buy a new router but it worth.
Not the same thing lolMy router doesn't need to take advantage of ps5 wifi 6 because my router already allows me to prioritize traffic from multiple devices.
Yall are really using wifi for your console?
No wifi 6e so no vr wireless.
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i mean wifi6 is great, but your ISP needs to provide wifi6 service (and may increase monthly costs). I talked to xfinitiy, at &t, and they stated the maximum speeds they can provide is
1 gigabits per second
a lot of gamers dont care for wifi6 because they will be using wired cable connection to get the best connection with no lag
I'm hardwired to my console and pc so its not something that affects me.Not the same thing lol
With WiFi 6 you don't need to priorize anything... it allow you to use all devices at the same time without any issue with near wired response time.
It is really makes all the difference even for home networks.
For me is great because I have over 8 devices connected to my router... only PS4 is wired (I hope to remove the cable on PS5).
Bleeding Edge, that's how I like it..Yes please. Sony futureproofing PS5.
USB C
Wifi 6
BT 5.1
Yes!!!!!!! I doYall are really using wifi for your console?
Better connectivity for PSVR 2.0, higher bandwidth, perhap VR will be able to be streamed to your phone like the VR headset that comes with certain Motorola phones.......
No, simple physics say wifi6 has about the same latency than gigabit ethernet (and most people don't have gigabit routers and cables at home), it's like 20% faster than ethernet and has a longer range.Not all wifi is the same
802.11g adds about 50ms of latency
802.11n adds about 10ms of latency
802.11ac adds about 5ms of latency
Wifi6 should close the gap with wired ethernet which is around 0.1-0.5ms
ethernet is still king (simple physics) but Wifi6 will dramatically reduce latency vs whatever wifi you are using.
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You never know, if WIFI 6E is planned for later this year when WIFI 6 came out in 2019, Sony may opt for a chipset with 6E capability or one that could be firmware patched later on, if it benefits their VR solution.......Still 6E adoption other than VR will take some time to kick in as connected devices including, routers, phones etc.....would need the chipset and capabilities to make it viable across multiple devices.......The other issue is cost, which is always a consideration for consoles, but we shall see. Wifi 6 is already offering a one leg up on the competition and of course 6E has not officially launched yet, so it's all up in the air for now....The PS5 PRO though, would be a guaranteed recipient however.....We'll see, that would be nice. Some have expressed concerns that it might not do wireless VR since it's not a WiFi 6e device (thus does not use the 6GHz signal range, which would help,) but 802.11ax is supposed to be able to cut it for wifi VR. It's more the chips that the manufacturers are making more than just straight WiFi 6e that's making WiFi VR possible, and Sony could also customize its wireless hardware for features not in the standard WiFi protocol. But we'll see if that happens. I feel like they would have said something by now if they intended on wireless VR, but then everything about this console gen hype cycle is a waiting game.
Wi-Fi 6: Next-Gen Connectivity
The smartphone revolution has triggered an insatiable appetite for mobile access to information. The GSM Association estimates there are more than 8.98 billion mobile connections worldwide, surpassing today’s world population of 7.69 billion according to U.N. figures.www.cta.tech
No offense to anyone, but I wish they would kill off wifi for consoles and pc's, strictly for gaming. Even with the lowest latency of wifi 6, you'll still have added latency vs Ethernet. Sorry if I offend anyone
Let's play a little game I like to call trace the bottleneck.
SSD: 10GB/s
WAN Interface: 6Gb/s
Router: 1Gb/s
Internet speed: .5Gb/s
PSN: 10Mb/s?
They mentioned to be working on their PSN and PS+ clouds with MS, in addition to PS Now tech improvements. That would improve downloads, streaming and server based multiplayer. PSN speed doesn't affect the online multiplayer in P2P games like fighting games.Let's play a little game I like to call trace the bottleneck.
SSD: 10GB/s
WAN Interface: 6Gb/s
Router: 1Gb/s
Internet speed: .5Gb/s
PSN: 10Mb/s?
If it isn't, you should fully expect PS5 to be where most gamers will go for online gaming.
Wifi 6 has about the same latency (if not better) than wired but provides up toI'm hardwired to my console and pc so its not something that affects me.
No, the cost of a wifi chip is tiny, very likely under $5. The GFX/CPU/RAM/SSD cost is huge compared to that and they already have cutting edge stuff there. To have great wifi on all PS5s in the market means a huge improvement on the online multiplayer experience becaues 3/4 of the userbase play using wifi. Same goes for streaming. Bluetooth 5.1 is also a big step for streaming and for reducing input lag in local games.Wouldn't the budget allocated to this have been better spent on GFX/CPU/RAM/SSD?
Wouldn't the budget allocated to this have been better spent on GFX/CPU/RAM/SSD?
Barely anyone has Wifi6 routers or internet, and it could have easily been added in a few years to PS5 once costs had come down and take up was higher.
Wifi 6 has about the same latency (if not better) than wired but provides 20% faster speed, allows longer distance and handles better to have multiple devices connected. Yes, it affects you.
And this is considering you're gigabit lan (so using a cat. 6 cables or better, 1000Base-T router and PC LAN card or better), if you're using the common cat. 5 cable or 10/100 router or LAN card the improvement moving to wifi6 will be higher.
Lmfao this is not the same thing wowMy router doesn't need to take advantage of ps5 wifi 6 because my router already allows me to prioritize traffic from multiple devices.
Regarding speed, consoles and most PCs use 1000BASE-T (copper wires with RJ45 LAN connectors) so won't go over 1Gbps when wired, this is why I -and the other ones I quoted- did use that for the comparision. It's standarized to use up to 100 meters long cables. There are faster 1000BASE specifications but almost nobody uses them because their cable specifications allow up to 15, 25 or 40 meters long cable distances. Other ones are for Electrical Backplane or fiber optics cables.
What are you talking about? Let's say wifi 6 has better speeds than Ethernet (it doesn't, but for the sake of discussion, let's say it does). Faster speeds doesn't negate higher latency of wifi 6 vs Ethernet. There's no circumstance where wireless will have higher bandwidth or lower latency, over a hard wired connection. Look at Bluetooth or other wireless technologies for instance.
You are going off from best case scenario though. As in no other interferences and what not. You will never have lower latency transmitted over the air, vs direct connection. This will never, ever happen. You cannot defy the laws of physics. Also you regarded 1000 base lan. If you are comparing the two, why you use 2.5gbps wired as an example? There are even 10gbps motherboards already out, which are almost 10x faster than wifi 6's, 1.5gbps THEORETICAL max throughput.Regarding speed, consoles and most PCs use 1000BASE-T LAN so won't go over 1Gbps when wired, this is why I -and the other ones I quoted- did use that for the comparision. Here you have real world tests showing 1.5Gbps wifi 6 results with some of the first devices:
How fast is Wi-Fi 6? Here are our latest speed test results
It's still too early for most to buy in, but the numbers we're seeing from these next-gen routers are very promising.www.cnet.com
So yes, wifi 6 is faster. In these tests, up to 50% than with cable. It's more than the 20% I quoted from another article in my previous post.
Regarding latency, we know wifi 5 has ~5ns according one of the articles posted above and the other mentions wifi 6 reduces the wifi 5 latency a 75%, so ~1.25ns. That's aprox the same than the wired lan cable used in the comparision saying that the wifi 5 router gave ~5ns. Your article just posted an assumption, an opinion, instead of factual data to say wired has better latency. Which I think it may be possible, but we're talking about less than 1ns of difference, which is almost nothing.
Yes. I live with a friend and the router is in his room. I’m not gonna ask him to run a series of Ethernet cables across him room, across the hallway, and to all of my devices.Yall are really using wifi for your console?
No, that 1.5gbps isn't theorical. In that article I linked they show real worlds cases: "To date, the fastest Wi-Fi 6 speeds we've seen came from the TP-Link Archer AX6000, which measured in with an average wireless download speed of 1,523 Mbps at a distance of 5 feet." They also mention "With the Netgear Nighthawk AX12, speeds clocked in at 1,320 Mbps". In other article I linked before that, they mentioned 1.2Gbps, "a 20% improvement over wired".You are going off from best case scenario though. As in no other interferences and what not. You will never have lower latency transmitted over the air, vs direct connection. This will never, ever happen. You cannot defy the laws of physics. Also you regarded 1000 base lan. If you are comparing the two, why you use 2.5gbps wired as an example? There are even 10gbps motherboards already out, which are almost 10x faster than wifi 6's, 1.5gbps THEORETICAL max throughput.
Do you not see where your argument starts to fail?No, that 1.5gbps isn't theorical. In that article they show a real world case: "To date, the fastest Wi-Fi 6 speeds we've seen came from the TP-Link Archer AX6000, which measured in with an average wireless download speed of 1,523 Mbps at a distance of 5 feet." They also mention "With the Netgear Nighthawk AX12, speeds clocked in at 1,320 Mbps"
Regarding wifi 6 theorical speed there are routers claiming 11, 10 or 5Gbps:
Wi-Fi 6 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
To have great wifi on all PS5s in the market means a huge improvement on the online multiplayer experience becaues 3/4 of the userbase play using wifi. Same goes for streaming. Bluetooth 5.1 is also a big step for streaming and for reducing input lag in local games.
Yes, both in wifi and wired the distance affects speed, latency due to interferences, packet loss and so on. This is the reason of why the cable spefication for wired lans specify a maximum length.Do you not see where your argument starts to fail?
Why not go wired for ensured, full throughout on speed at that point? What happens when you move further than your wingspan from the router and console? Will speeds magically increase then? Will the latency somehow become lower at increased distances, compared to Ethernet? I'm not knocking wifi6, as it's a continuous improvement over wifi5 and previous iterations. But to think wifi will be superior to a hard wired connection is bonkers.
Sure, make sure Remote Play will be greatly benefited thanks to wifi 6.Right, it's not just the wireless internet speed/latency (which is huge for the vast majority of gamers,) but it also opens up opportunities that exist because the hardware is more capable. Remote Play I believe did not exist at launch with PSP/PS3 (I'm not sure when they introduced it but it certainly wasn't something I had conceived of when I bought my first PSP,) but because the hardware was there, they could deploy the application to let you do that. We've been talking about the possibility of wireless VR thanks to WiFI 6, that's not something we even dreamed of with PS4 (though technically it could maybe be done with a dongle.) BT5 has its own features that PlayStation could make use of. There's IoT features that might allow all kinds of new products to connect to your PS5 with a push of a button. (Think toys like Rock Band controllers and Skylanders figures, but also think gaming devices like VR lighthouses and gaming chair feedback or LED accent lighting.) Lots of new ideas can come from these powerful tech standards being included in the console. Even if you insist on a CAT5 connection and a wired headset, there's bound to be something about the wireless features of PS5 that will benefit you.
Yes please. Sony futureproofing PS5.
USB C
Wifi 6
BT 5.1
So you are implying that someone who upgrades their router because of lack of speed and latency, would get wifi6 router? But the same person on a wired connection, would be only using 1gbps chip? Why do you keep comparing apples to oranges? With all things equal, can you state the same argument, with a standard 2.5gbps, 5gbps, or 10gbps wired connection? Please don't elude that this time around.Yes, both in wifi and wired the distance affects speed, latency due to interferences, packet loss and so on. This is the reason of why the cable spefication for wired lans specify a maximum length.
The wired 1000BASE‑T standard specification allows max. 100 meter (330 feet) long cables, but cables don't go in straight line, so the effective distance for a house between router and console or PC is smaller. And well, speed also decreases with cable length due to interferences, packet loss, damaged cable and so on.
The full quote of the part you highlighted in the article was: "Average wireless download speed of 1,523 Mbps at a distance of 5 feet. Range was strong with that router, too -- at a distance of 75 feet, the connection still averaged out to a blazing fast 868 Mbps."
Competitive doesn't equate to professional level of play. You can be a regular gamer, that plays competitively. Ever play street fighter or any other fighting game against someone on wifi? People who do that, are cancerous to even the casual crowd.Yes. I live with a friend and the router is in his room. I’m not gonna ask him to run a series of Ethernet cables across him room, across the hallway, and to all of my devices.
I’ve never had major issues with WiFi, but I’m also not playing at a competitive level. Let’s be honest basically nobody is. Competitive players are a very small percentage of the population.
That is not true.No offense to anyone, but I wish they would kill off wifi for consoles and pc's, strictly for gaming. Even with the lowest latency of wifi 6, you'll still have added latency vs Ethernet. Sorry if I offend anyone
At least here in Spain from time to time the ISP calls you to offer you to jump to their company, or if you are already their client offer a new router or discount to continue some time more with them. When I installed fiber at home they gave me a 802.11n router, and some time later they offered me to replace it with a 802.11ac one for free, not sure if it was when they upgraded my fiber connection from 300Mb to 600Mb.So you are implying that someone who upgrades their router because of lack of speed and latency, would get wifi6 router? But the same person on a wired connection, would be only using 1gbps chip? Why do you keep comparing apples to oranges? With all things equal, can you state the same argument, with a standard 2.5gbps, 5gbps, or 10gbps wired connection? Please don't elude that this time around.
The factual data I posted in this thread says wifi 6 is superior to the wired console connection: basically the same latency (around 1 ms) and 20 to 50% faster speed.But to think wifi will be superior to a hard wired connection is bonkers.
Go and read the specs and real world tests I linked and quoted. This doesn't defy the laws of physics at all. Read this:You are going off from best case scenario though. As in no other interferences and what not. You will never have lower latency transmitted over the air, vs direct connection. This will never, ever happen. You cannot defy the laws of physics.
Not sure why people are surprised if no USB C on Xbox, they always go with proprietary. Xbox have a solid track record of corporate greed. A lot more than Sony.like for charging my phone? shut up ewe.
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Not all wifi is the same
802.11g adds about 50ms of latency
802.11n adds about 10ms of latency
802.11ac adds about 5ms of latency
Wifi6 should close the gap with wired ethernet which is around 0.1-0.5ms
ethernet is still king (simple physics) but Wifi6 will dramatically reduce latency vs whatever wifi you are using.
How Your WiFi Band Impacts Low Latency Connections - Parsec | Blog
By PJ Palomaki Our home network is one of those things we often take for granted. We can see our broadband as just another utility in the household, which feeds our myriad of devices with data from all over the globe. It enables us to watch TV series on our Smart TV’s and browse social […]blog.parsecgaming.com