yurinka
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Well, I think that game streaming will be more important this gen for them. More speed and way less latency with wifi and gamepad means better Remote Play and PS Now experience when compared to MS.
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PS5 will have BT 5.1 and Wi-Fi 6 802.11 AX standard
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ABnormal
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Oh, sure. It's a win-win in all departments. I was just pondering about what could be the primary reason for it.
Iced Arcade
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Gen 9....people are now using wifi in list battles 
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alstrike
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Gen 9....people are now using wifi in list battles
Don't care if it's listed or not (or if people are using it as a bullet point) but it's really nice to have it rather than not have it.
TLZ
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Listen mutha******, I know you're Mark Cerny. This isn't your first. I've been watching you. Just spill it!I said this awhile ago but they locked my thread
Yes another I/O thread but not about the SSD: Next Gen Consoles will have amazing 2 way communication with outside devices
Mod edit: At best this was speculative, at worst plain misinformation. Provide a table of sources and features specific to each point you claim please. USB ports with over a GB/s , Wifi 6 (Also over a GB/s) , Bluetooth LE VR that would only need one cable if it use USB-C , Controllers...www.neogaf.com
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MrFunSocks
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What exactly does wifi have to do with gamepass?
If you care about wifi 6 or even know what it is, you should be using a wired connection.
Wifi6 is the new PS5 secret sauce!
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TBiddy
Member
Absolutely nothing. This entire thread is weird. WiFi6 is nice to have, but since about 0% actually have hardware at home that supports it, it's just an added cost that doesn't bring anything. And even if you have a WiFi6 router, you wouldn't feel a difference.
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MrFunSocks
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Exactly. I've got about 2 dozen wifi devices on at any given time in my house, not on Wifi 6, and I have zero problems whatsoever, especially with my game consoles. If I'm playing online on a game console, it's wired anyway. If you even remotely care about Wifi 6 for a game console, you wouldn't be playing on wifi in the first place.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Not that I am getting caught in the WiFi 6 hype, but the usual PS5 has it XSX does not == not needed/wasteful bit is at work
.Seriously, this is the baseline for a 5-6+ years generation coming out towards the end of the year... not today. Future proofing it a bit does not hurt and the cost difference for the transmitter is being overblown here.
TBiddy
Member
Not that I am getting caught in the WiFi 6 hype, but the usual PS5 has it XSX does not == not needed/wasteful bit is at work
Seriously, this is the baseline for a 5-6+ years generation coming out towards the end of the year... not today. Future proofing it a bit does not hurt and the cost difference for the transmitter is being overblown here.
This thread is a good example of "PS5 has it, XSX does not == it's amazing and very essential for next-gen".
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You are quoting the wrong person mate
. I was also not quoting or addressing you when talking about people feeling the need to enter PS5 threads to try to dampen possible good news or unique features, but evidently you felt called out .
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rofif
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ps4 supports 5ghz and it's terribly slow lol
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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TBiddy
Member
You are quoting the wrong person mate
I was quoting the exact person I wanted to. You made a public statement to which I replied. That's usually how a messageboard work, you know?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I know... and
? Where was I questioning your freedom, your right to post and reply?You are not exactly making a point here (well, you kind of confirm the point I was making, you felt called out).
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ZywyPL
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Yeah, especially if nothing is confirmed yet on the other console, but supposedly people already have a concrete info it's not 6. How was it called? FUD?
TBiddy
Member
I know... and
You are not exactly making a point here (well, you kind of confirm the point I was making, you felt called out).
Oh my bad, you're were just being passive aggressive because I replied to you. Totally different thing. And here's a smiley for you, since that's how you roll
If you missed the point, I'd advise to read the post again.Yeah, especially if nothing is confirmed yet on the other console, but supposedly people already have a concrete info it's not 6. How was it called? FUD?
Something like it, yeah. It took four posts before the thread took a bad turn.
MrFunSocks
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There’s no need to downplay a wifi chip for fanboy wars though, it’s just wifi. It’s going to provide no advantage or difference at all to the large majority of people at any stage of the upcoming generation.Not that I am getting caught in the WiFi 6 hype, but the usual PS5 has it XSX does not == not needed/wasteful bit is at work
Seriously, this is the baseline for a 5-6+ years generation coming out towards the end of the year... not today. Future proofing it a bit does not hurt and the cost difference for the transmitter is being overblown here.
The next gen could come with no wifi at all and I’d be fine. Literally could not care less as mine are never on wifi, ever, as someone that plays online games regularly. For someone that doesn’t care about getting the absolute best connection possible they wouldn’t notice a difference between wifi 5 and 6. For those that would, they wouldn’t be using wifi in the first place.
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Team Andromeda
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I thought all SONY fans were against ONLINE ?
devilNprada
Member
Most of us are wired... You are missing the remote play benefits of it, like a wireless psvr.
MrFunSocks
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I’m not missing anything. Like 3% or so of PS4 owners bought a PSVR. I don’t expect it’s going to be much more this gen now that most of the VR hype has died down and left people disappointed.
Also what does wifi 6 have to do with VR? Are you talking about BT?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Is this official info that PS5 will feature BT 5.1 and wifi6 or are these tales from some fanboy wet dream? I did see the image posted by the OP, but what's the legitimacy behind the pic?
devilNprada
Member
Remote play connects through wifi not bt..
Wireless vr will connect through wifi not bt.
Sorry 97% are missing out but what do they have to do with me?
MrFunSocks
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So now we’re assuming that some unannounced wireless headset for be will connect via wifi 6? Boy we’re really stretching to find that secret sauce now.
devilNprada
Member
Nice moving goal posts after you infatically screamed there is no benefit.
I did not at all engage in your secret sauce console war.
You can go ahead and take the last word though.
DonJuanSchlong
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So dude, you are comparing variables such as damaged cables, unstraight cabling, distancing, etc.
Let's just cut to the point my brother. Would you have better signal strength, less latency, better bandwidth, etc, being wired or wireless? Especially using your example at ~12ft away. Who even picks wireless at this distance?!
I'll take a wired 250mbps connection over a wireless 1000mbps connection, regardless of distance to router, etc. Wanna know why? Because it's superior in lower latency. I'll be damned if I miss a 1 frame link punishment in street fighter.
alstrike
Member
Is that your shop bro?
Not even MS has said it has Wifi 6 and believe me that if it had they would shout it from the rooftops.
yurinka
Member
With current gen consoles, wifi and routers right now cable is better option, this is why I use cable on my base PS4 because current gen wifi (even older in base PS4, it's 2.4GHz only) gives way worse speed and latency.
With PS5 and wifi 6 router will be a better option to use wireless than cable because it will give way better speed and same latency.
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Agnostic2020
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Not only that but digital foundry listed it as 802.11 ac meaning wifi 5Is that your shop bro?
Not even MS has said it has Wifi 6 and believe me that if it had they would shout it from the rooftops.
Apollo Helios
Member
Umm try clicking on the links provided, there is a federal license for the wireless equipment in PS5 -> very legit
Is that your shop bro?
Not even MS has said it has Wifi 6 and believe me that if it had they would shout it from the rooftops.
(It's french website for news and reviews)
They might be wrong but this is the only information i could found for Xbox x Wifi card
yurinka
Member
Well, I'd say it has something to do. Seems MS wanted to save a couple of bucks including cheaper wifi and bluetooth in their console and invest this money on Game Pass games instead.
Btw I don't see why would you prefer wired connection over wifi 6 when wifi 6 has the same latency (for the first time on wifi history) and way faster speed than the console's wired connection.
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TBiddy
Member
Why would they? It's just wifi. You didn't see Sony shouting it either, and the reason is that it's not a big deal.
alstrike
Member
Looks like you don't know Phil & Aaron
yurinka
Member
Same latency and faster speed than using cable, for the first time will be better wifi than using cable. This with the better latency of the bluetooth 5.1 pad it's a paradigm shift for online multiplayer and game streaming both from servers and from the console similar to what the PS5 SSD & I/O system will be to how the games are loaded, streamed and rendered.
Seems that the wifi 6 is expected to become an official IEEE specification next month, maybe they will announce it there. Or whenever they decide to show the OS and shop UI related features, create button features and PS Now PS5 plans.
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Bo_Hazem
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TBiddy
Member
Touché!
I seriously doubt Wifi6 will bring lower latency than you'd get through Ethernet. What are you basing that on?
Also, why on earth would Wifi6 improve game streaming from servers?
edit: Just wanted to add, that I use wifi myself at home and that in many aspects it's a great solution, but it's not going to beat a cable with regards to latency and speed.
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Bo_Hazem
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Wireless internet (4G/5G) is limited here (Oman), but Dial Up then ADSL and now Fiber all of the are unlimited since more that a decade or two. So is the wired internet (ADSL/Fiber) limited in some countries? If so, that's strange, but probably due to overwhelming population.
Bo_Hazem
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No, simple physics say wifi6 has about the same latency than gigabit ethernet (and most people don't have gigabit routers and cables at home), it's like 20% faster than ethernet and has a longer range.
The article you linked doesn't cover wifi6. The article is from 2018 and the first wifi6 devices were Samsung Fold and S10, released in March 2019. They mention that for the comparision graph they did use a wifi5 router.
This one does and says "For example, when you look at the theoretical top speed, Wi-Fi 6 reaches 9.6 Gbps (compared to Wi-Fi 5 which clocks in at 6.9 Gbps). In real world testing, Wi-Fi 6’s single stream speed has been raised to 1.2 Gbps - 20% faster than connecting via Gigabit Ethernet.":
https://www.techradar.com/news/wi-fi-6-vs-ethernet-who-is-taking-the-connectivity-crown
Edit: here's another article where they tested wifi 6 running at 1.5Gbps, so it's 50% improvement instead of 20%
How fast is Wi-Fi 6? Here are our latest speed test results
It's still too early for most to buy in, but the numbers we're seeing from these next-gen routers are very promising.www.cnet.com
This other article mentions when talking about wifi 6 vs wifi 5 "four times as much data deliverable simultaneously to multiple clients and latency cut by 75 percent":
Next-generation 802.11ax wi-fi: Dense, fast, delayed
The 802.11ax standard addresses wi-fi challenges such as client density and latency, but it's still early days, with final approval not expected until late 2019.www.zdnet.com
For the test of your article they're using the Nighthawk X6 router (wifi 5, 802.11ac). If we take the ~5ns and cut it a 75%, then wifi 6 latency should be ~1.25ns, without considering other benefits like sending up to 4x data at the same time compared to wifi 5 and without considering wifi 6 is up to ~50% faster than gigabit lan, or considering that wifi 6 better than wifi 5 shielding against closer wifis from neighbors to reduce interferences. So the new king is wifi 6 and not ethernet (simple physics).
Extra video talking about wifi6 benefits:
When he said "break the bottleneck" (timestamped):
This picture came to mind:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Plenty of little kids are buying PS4 to play fortnite online for free, that's not possible on Xbox. Explains the continuous grow in PS4 sales, vice versa on the other side.
EDIT: And most if not all would be using WiFi6.
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thelastword
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Imagine if Series X had it and PS5 didn't....We would be getting numerous tweets and threads about it, how Wifi is a gamechanger, Phil would tweet a jab at the competition and would conduct another interview.......I see no fellating here, I just see rational folks discussing what Wifi 6 will bring to the table to improve connectivity between devices and even VR, all gaming related.....What's with the inferiority complex?
Man, you know Ken is my mentor. He was always the guy I loved most at Sony......A marvelous engineer who was always cutting edge, a true visionary....
Leaders of the gaming industry.