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[MrFunSocks]

You're right, they did, that's not whats in dispute according to rumors. The rumor that RedGamingTech reported on is saying that they're displaying what's available, 825GB, they already removed the 175GB that is reserved for OS or whatever. Versus advertising 1TB but you get it it's 825 because they need the 175 for OS/Whatever . The rumor in this thread is stating that 825GB is the reported, before any of it is reserved for OS/whatever. There are two competing rumors right now. The latter is pretty much a standard practice. The usable storage amount is almost always less than what's advertised. I've seen people go ape shit over this kind of stuff.

There's no "rumour" that it's 825gb before reservations though - Sony literally said its an 825GB SSD. No one has ever quoted storage space as what it is after reserved space and the change from 1024 to 1000 etc.

Yes. run of the mill means not special. You think after Christmas 2021 new release SSDs are going to be slower than 5.5gbps?
I am not saying some random budget SSDs wont exist, of course, but its not going to be anywhere near weird, special or exotic
to have a ~7gbps SSD on the market. If Sony says you need one about that speed, youll be able to choose from probably 50-100 models
across a dozen brands in various sizes. Arguing this is like being pissed at Sony for using a 2.5 inch drive in the PS3 because it was
a laptop drive and not as common as a 3.5 inch drive, .... a couple years later they were cheap and plentiful in sizes much larger
than what the system came with. This will be similar, especially with an entire market of millions of new potential buyers of such SSDs you
may even see these companies specifically go out of their way to mention its suitable for a PS5.

You think Sony would have gone on and on and on about their custom SSD if you could just go to the shops and buy one that works just as well?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

When you're so secretive about your product, like Sony are being, people make up their own reality or fill in the gaps you've left from the info you've put out. That's exactly what's happening here and Sony only have themselves to blame. They could easily straighten this out and the secrecy is getting a bit long in the tooth.

Sure they could. Doesn't matter though. FUD will continue to be spread by twitter looneys either way. In the end they'll just be overshadowed whenever Sony actually makes an appearance and no one will care until the next piece of FUD news comes out

 

[Iced Arcade]

Those SSDs sure are fast... At filling up.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

There's no "rumour" that it's 825gb before reservations though - Sony literally said its an 825GB SSD. No one has ever quoted storage space as what it is after reserved space and the change from 1024 to 1000 etc.

I didn't come up with these "rumors." I'm just stating that there are two "rumors" apposing each other. One in the opening thread and the other reported by RedGamingTech.

 

[loktaiextatus]

There's no "rumour" that it's 825gb before reservations though - Sony literally said its an 825GB SSD. No one has ever quoted storage space as what it is after reserved space and the change from 1024 to 1000 etc.

People are confused because of the weird number. This can happen when addressing NAND type storage across PCI lanes because of chip sizes.
825 is going to be the total size most likely, cerny mentioned that this was the number they landed on for cost/performance , meaning that the chips are going to be on the PCIE4 bus,
and it works a lot like RAM does- in that X number of chips with a certain width across a bus with X width is going to give you a certain bandwidth.
An example of this is the Series X with some ram faster, some slower, because it cant channel the chips on the bus the same way because of the uneven sizing -
the SSD s throughput is also dependent on being symmetrically read and written to.

 

[Oliade677]

Big yikes. That seems insufficient for current gen..

 

[ManaByte]

Just wait for the PS5 version of RDR2 that takes up 750GB.

 

[loktaiextatus]

There's no "rumour" that it's 825gb before reservations though - Sony literally said its an 825GB SSD. No one has ever quoted storage space as what it is after reserved space and the change from 1024 to 1000 etc.



You think Sony would have gone on and on and on about their custom SSD if you could just go to the shops and buy one that works just as well?

1.They went on and on about their controller. And he actually said "youll be able to get SSDs by the end of the year that are even faster". The exotic portion of their SSD is the controller
the speed itself is very fast but is already caught up to by PC by the time the consoles release. Such is the world of components.

Sony themselves said you can go out and get one from the shop and expand your storage, and their controller will treat it like their internal SSD- but you'll need a little overhead
to compensate , something a bit faster than whats in it already. This was all covered. you wont have to replace it, it expands the existing storage.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I didn't come up with these "rumors." I'm just stating that there are two "rumors" apposing each other. One in the opening thread and the other reported by RedGamingTech.

Ok so it's just team blue spreading rumours to try and make out that the PS5 is better than it is yet again lol. They've now moved on to storage space as the secret sauce! haha

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ok so it's just team blue spreading rumours to try and make out that the PS5 is better than it is yet again lol.

I heard a rumour It's actually a giant 2TB SSD with an OS taking up 175gb and 1tb dedicated to caching data.

 

[Hezekiah]

1.They went on and on about their controller. And he actually said "youll be able to get SSDs by the end of the year that are even faster". The exotic portion of their SSD is the controller
the speed itself is very fast but is already caught up to by PC by the time the consoles release. Such is the world of components.

Sony themselves said you can go out and get one from the shop and expand your storage, and their controller will treat it like their internal SSD- but you'll need a little overhead
to compensate , something a bit faster than whats in it already. This was all covered. you wont have to replace it, it expands the existing storage.

Funsocks with his usual boner for anything controversial, but not actually understanding the content at hand.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Ok so it's just team blue spreading rumours to try and make out that the PS5 is better than it is yet again lol.

I'm literally just saying there are two rumors and I said I'll wait for official numbers You guys really crack me up man. Relax dude, it's going to be a good generation. The game will look great on both systems. And YES, the Series X is more powerful than the PS5.

 

[loktaiextatus]

I'm literally just saying there are two rumors and I said I'll wait for official numbers You guys really crack me up man. Relax dude, it's going to be a good generation. The game will look great on both systems. And YES, the Series X is more powerful than the PS5.

You're talking about a rumor about the memory footprint of the OS vs this? Those are different things entirely. This is about the reserved space on the disk for
OS/ Apps /Scratch/ anything else - VS a 2~gb memory footprint (the space in memory the OS is resident in / using when powered on). They arent conflicting
or anything its just about two different things.

 

[ManaByte]

And YES, the Series X is more powerful than the PS5.

Why are you posting such derogatory statements.

 

[TheTechnician]

Sorry about the Profanity but why the fuck does nobody in here think about the suspended Game Thing they seem to have??

I would expect that such a Feature would want to have some 50GB+ to its Disposition.

Putting a game in sleep Mode and continueing days after at the very same moment where you "just dogded that Missile for the First time" sounds like it could use such amounts of hardstorage..
Let it be ready for 3 games in sleep Mode at the same time and Boom there you go.. 100GB in use..
That being said , one should have the choice . Using the Feature and have the storage cut by ~100GB..
or
Deactivating said Feature in system menue and never miss that ~100GB of Storage..

 

[itsjustJEFF]

You're talking about a rumor about the memory footprint of the OS vs this? Those are different things entirely. This is about the reserved space on the disk for
OS/ Apps /Scratch/ anything else - VS a 2~gb memory footprint (the space in memory the OS is resident in / using when powered on). They arent conflicting
or anything its just about two different things.

I was referring to this thing with the 825GB available. I also saw that rumor about the 2GB OS footprint, I'll also be waiting on official numbers for that. I may have attributed the "rumor" to the wrong person, sorry RedGamingTech if you ever see this LOL

 

[loktaiextatus]

I was referring to this thing with the 825GB available. I may have attributed the "rumor" to the wrong person, sorry RedGamingTech if you ever see this LOL

Yeah no way 825 is available that would be shocking, I think thats the total size of the drive, and I think thats why even back when it was revealed cerny took
the time to mention 1. it was upgradable and 2. you wouldnt have to duplicate assets to aid loading which would cut game sizes somewhat. If it was 825 available
that would be similar to a 1TB drive in a current console and they'd have just called it 1tb. (Try a clean format on a PS4/Xbox One with a 1tb drive, watch how little
you actually have to use afterward)

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Yeah no way 825 is available that would be shocking, I think thats the total size of the drive, and I think thats why even back when it was revealed cerny took
the time to mention 1. it was upgradable and 2. you wouldnt have to duplicate assets to aid loading which would cut game sizes somewhat. If it was 825 available
that would be similar to a 1TB drive in a current console and they'd have just called it 1tb. (Try a clean format on a PS4/Xbox One with a 1tb drive, watch how little
you actually have to use afterward)

I'll wait and see, but that is standard operating procedure for storage.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Sorry about the Profanity but why the fuck does nobody in here think about the suspended Game Thing they seem to have??

I would expect that such a Feature would want to have some 50GB+ to its Disposition.

Putting a game in sleep Mode and continueing days after at the very same moment where you "just dogded that Missile for the First time" sounds like it could use such amounts of hardstorage..
Let it be ready for 3 games in sleep Mode at the same time and Boom there you go.. 100GB in use..
That being said , one should have the choice . Using the Feature and have the storage cut by ~100GB..
or
Deactivating said Feature in system menue and never miss that ~100GB of Storage..

If thats the case we can expect it to be the case across all the next gen consoles.

I suspect once the ssd is expanded or they release a console with more storage later on, 100gb will be negligible. Its about the size of 1 AAA game as is.
I mean assuming this is true which its possible if like you're saying its used for OS features.

 

[loktaiextatus]

I'll wait and see, but that is standard operating procedure for storage.

I still think its fun at work when a client is telling me they need like a "558GB" drive for their dell. Some of the "rounding" done in platter storage that is acceptable as well, on some of the bigger drives, like the RAW capacity of a 3tb disk being smaller, before even factoring in overhead, is unreal.

 

[Black_Stride]

You're pissed about SOMETHING.
Im not new to this. I didnt say controller, I said options of brands to buy . If you think that ssds that will be compatible with the system will be rare... I feel sorry for you.
If you actually read my posts I said " Sony will test SSDs (per sony) but compatibility isnt limited to what they test, as they dont require some kind of whitelist or certification work.
Only that the specifications match. Do you challenge this?

I then said that it will be common to find an SSD whos rating will be high enough to match the speed requirement. Do you challenge this?

When did I mention price? Are fast SSDs cheap for PC but will cost extra for the PS5?
When did I say every / any?
When have I said anything that doesnt mirror or isnt implied by official information provided by Sony themselves? If so where and what?
Outside form factor and requirement of a heatsink as outlined by mark cerny, is there some special requirement that would make the
ssd not "run of the mill"? Does it have to be Sony branded? Does it have to be blessed by a priest? Does it have to be imported from Japan?

From what I can tell you'll be able to log onto NEWEGG or AMAZON and buy one, and they'll probably go out of their way to mention their SSD
works with the PS5 given the market for sales.

Pissed?
Hahaha why would I be pissed.

But anyway, allow me to retort.

You stated:

You think after Christmas 2021 new release SSDs are going to be slower than 5.5gbps?

I said yes, because expensive controllers are still going to be expensive, so manufactures will be making SSDs using the slower cheaper controllers.

I never said or even implied that you said they would be rare(hard to find) though in terms of numbers that qualify vs number that dont they will be rare...........my main point was that they wouldnt be run of the mill.
Every SSD thats going to be in the upper echelons of PCIE4.0 in 2021 is going to be special....thus not run of the mill.
If i tell you game X works perfectly fine on a run of the mill graphics card....is the RTX 2080ti the first card that comes to your head?
You can buy an RTX 2080Ti right now....its not rare.....but its not a run of the mill graphics card is it?


My grievance with you is you saying a run of the mill SSD will be fast enough for the PS5.....that isnt true, because run of the mill SSDs are not going to be using super fast controllers.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

I still think its fun at work when a client is telling me they need like a "558GB" drive for their dell. Some of the "rounding" done in platter storage that is acceptable as well, on some of the bigger drives, like the RAW capacity of a 3tb disk being smaller, before even factoring in overhead, is unreal.

Yo, people get real pissed when they don't get "what they paid" for. I've seen people rage over it "So why not make it 135GB, so I have my 128GB "

 

[iJudged]

Good time to invest into a huge hard drive.

 

[loktaiextatus]

My grievance with you is you saying a run of the mill SSD will be fast enough for the PS5.....that isnt true, because run of the mill SSDs are not going to be using super fast controllers.

Here is the disconnect. I said that an SSD fast enough for the PS5 will be a run of the mill. What did I mean? I meant, you can just go buy one.
It doesnt need to be certified. It doesnt need to be Sony branded, it doesnt need to be "whitelisted". Simply a drive that performs well enough
will work.

If I used the term "off the shelf" you wouldnt have a problem with it... yet they both mean exactly the same thing.
A "run of the mill" car for instance doesnt mean some arent faster or slower or bigger or smaller.
Its not the same thing as saying "cookie cutter" or "average" or "cheap" or anything else.

You will be able to go into a shop... (Do we even do that anymore?) or online and buy one. It wont be hard to get, brand specific, or
"exotic". Thats literally all I said, and people who have a bone to pick with Sony for some reason are making my statement into something it never was.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Yo, people get real pissed when they don't get "what they paid" for. I've seen people rage over it "So why not make it 135GB, so I have my 128GB "

I had a customer going crazy on me about 5 years ago because he had a double disk fault in a RAID 5. I was on site and re-creating his logical disk
and he was sitting there with a PENCIL AND PAPER showing me how the "SIX DRIVES, EACH 900GB, IT EQUALS ALMOST 5.5 TERRYBYTES., WHY IS THIS LOGICAL
DISK YOU'VE MAKING ME SO MUCH SMALLER, THESE DISKS CANT BE 900GB" Oh God, The salt.

 

[TheTechnician]

If thats the case we can expect it to be the case across all the next gen consoles.

I suspect once the ssd is expanded or they release a console with more storage later on, 100gb will be negligible. Its about the size of 1 AAA game as is.
I mean assuming this is true which its possible if like you're saying its used for OS features.

I am too would assume the Xbox Version of that feature would reserve same amounts of Storage in their OS..
But since its an PS5 rumor and we are on NEOGAF I dident bother to talk about that..
Keeping it simple for the black and white folks..

 

[fersnake]

lol i cant believe this, i was hoping 825 usable xD

 

[loktaiextatus]

I am too would assume the Xbox Version of that feature would reserve same amounts of Storage in their OS..
But since its an PS5 rumor and we are on NEOGAF I dident bother to talk about that..
Keeping it simple for the black and white folks..

Honestly its the least of my worries. When it comes to the next gen consoles, I am not exactly worried about if I can install 10 games or 12 games or what.
When / if it becomes an issue I'll expand the storage. if I live with it a couple years I can probably get a 2-3TB ssd and put it in there.
Those worried about the price of expansion, thats valid and I understand, Its not the end of the world though in this age not to install
dozens of games.(My opinion, obv)

 

[namekuseijin]

more than adequate for all the indies and 1 or 2 GaaS OW maps

 

[carloseduardocd]

Xbox One X = 931GB storage, 151GB OS/temp files/x360 VM and 780GB free space.

PS5 = 768GB storage ( 12 channels x 64GB ), 128GB OS/temp files and whatever...

650GB free space is a possible way.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I'm literally just saying there are two rumors and I said I'll wait for official numbers You guys really crack me up man. Relax dude, it's going to be a good generation. The game will look great on both systems. And YES, the Series X is more powerful than the PS5.

I didn't say you're the one spreading the rumours, "relax dude".

Funsocks with his usual boner for anything controversial, but not actually understanding the content at hand.

lol it doesn't matter which *part* of the SSD they banged on about, they made a big song and dance about their SSD. You won't be able to just use any old SSD. SSD's that you can use just based on speed alone aren't even available to consumers yet. Someone with terrible comprehension skills telling me I don't understand is classic.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Xbox One X = 931GB storage, 151GB OS/temp files/x360 VM and 780GB free space.

PS5 = 768GB storage ( 12 channels x 64GB ), 128GB OS/temp files and whatever...

650GB free space is a possible way.

NAND is sold in Mb not MB. So it could be 64k x64 pages 128 x 512 translated into MB is 8192
But I dunno.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Meanwhile, I have two extra drives attached for a total of 8TB. Not looking forward to recreating this with SSDs next gen.

 

[loktaiextatus]

lol it doesn't matter which *part* of the SSD they banged on about, they made a big song and dance about their SSD. You won't be able to just use any old SSD. SSD's that you can use just based on speed alone aren't even available to consumers yet. Someone with terrible comprehension skills telling me I don't understand is classic.

It does if the controller already in the system is whats controlling the storage and you dont need to buy that *part* they made the song and dance about.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Meanwhile, I have two extra drives attached for a total of 8TB. Not looking forward to recreating this with SSDs next gen.

Same. Going to be lots of transferring back and forth from HDD to SSD unfortunately.

 

[Lethal01]

I'm loving this proprietary ssd future!


Ps5 won't let you play Ps5 games with externals just Ps4 (some) games because they don't have the POWER of Sony's proprietary ssd!

You will be able to use an SSD if it's fast enough, nothing proprietary about it. Which is good, we need standards.

 

[kingpotato]

Just for reference what is the biggest console game (including patches, etc) right now?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Just for reference what is the biggest console game (including patches, etc) right now?

I think it's got to be the latest Call of Duty. I think it's at about 200 gb.

 

[GloveSlap]

Both Sony and MS need to make it so you install single player and multiplayer modes seperately.

 

[Hezekiah]

I didn't say you're the one spreading the rumours, "relax dude".


lol it doesn't matter which *part* of the SSD they banged on about, they made a big song and dance about their SSD. You won't be able to just use any old SSD. SSD's that you can use just based on speed alone aren't even available to consumers yet. Someone with terrible comprehension skills telling me I don't understand is classic.

You have a narrative you want to spin, and you'll spin it come hell or high water. Yeah we get it. Doesn't stop you misinterpreting information as you did here. Or being boring and repetitive .

 

[Shmunter]

I pray there is a robust and seamless way to ‘park’ games on USB

 

[Endless Fluff]

Here is the disconnect. I said that an SSD fast enough for the PS5 will be a run of the mill. What did I mean? I meant, you can just go buy one.
It doesnt need to be certified. It doesnt need to be Sony branded, it doesnt need to be "whitelisted". Simply a drive that performs well enough
will work.

This is actually not what Cerny said, though. The SSDs needs to meet form factor as well... Cerny also said that they need to make sure that "the architecture of the drive isn't too foreign" you can't just throw a fast SSD in there. This is why the cert is needed.

That commercial Drive also needs to physically fit inside of the bay we created in PlayStation 5 for m2 drives. Unlike internal hard drives there's unfortunately no standard for the height of an m2 Drive and some m2 drives have giant heat sinks, in fact some of them even have their own fans.

Right now we're getting m2 drive samples and benchmarking them in various ways. When games hit in beta, as they get ready for the PlayStation 5 launch at year-end, we'll also be doing some compatibility testing to make sure that the architecture of particular m2 drives isn't too foreign for the games to handle.

Once we've done that compatibility testing we should be able to start letting you know which drives will physically fit and which drive samples have benchmarked appropriately high in our testing.

You'll most likely also need to make sure that the SSD you buy for your PS5 won't run too hot, I don't think you can buy an SSD and remove the heatsink in the hopes that the PS5 is able to keep it cool.

I would keep my expectations low. It certainly is a better situation than Microsoft is offering, but in the end you'll also be limited by what you can actually use as an SSD and most people will buy an SSD with the "officially licensed PS5 product" sticker, just like people buy the crappy Seagate PS4/Xbox HDDs.

 

[Aguero9320]

Surprised to see so many people doubting this, or surprised by it... It seems about right to me?

I actually don’t care about this, I only ever play one game at a time, and yes I hoard currently, but I don’t have to do. Should be enough to have current and a couple of others queued up...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I pray there is a robust and seamless way to ‘park’ games on USB

The way it's supposed to work if you don't want to go full SSD is to hook up an external HDD and swap files back and forth if you want the SSD treatment for next gen games.

Who knows how great that will play out over time as people say SSDs get worn out fast doing that.

 

[loktaiextatus]

This is actually not what Cerny said, though. The SSDs needs to meet form factor as well... Cerny also said that they need to make sure that "the architecture of the drive isn't too foreign" you can't just throw a fast SSD in there. This is why the cert is needed.

You'll most likely also need to make sure that the SSD you buy for your PS5 won't run too hot, I don't think you can buy an SSD and remove the heatsink in the hopes that the PS5 is able to keep it cool.

I would keep my expectations low. It certainly is a better situation than Microsoft is offering, but in the end you'll also be limited by what you can actually use as an SSD and most people will buy an SSD with the "officially licensed PS5 product" sticker, just like people buy the crappy Seagate PS4/Xbox HDDs.

Well, if you look through my posts this actually lines up perfectly well.

I said a run of the mill SSD- If you start making it exotic... which is literally what cerny said "the architecture of the drive isn't too foreign" this is no longer
run of the mill, it also means that if you start to talk about SSDs with elaborate cooling solutions you are not talking about "run of the mill" either.
Run of the mill doesnt mean " any ".

The certification is a guarantee of function, but it doesnt mean its all that will function.
If it turns out the console has a whitelist of drives and it wont accept any others, then its my bad... as of now it just seems to line up to say
a "run of the mill" drive meaning one that isnt exotic, isnt customized with strange cooling solutions and fits a standard size slot using a run of the mill
architecture is what the PS5 is compatible with, and that it wont be something hard to get, exotic etc, Yeah you will be careful not to get something
that wont work - but as I said thats like saying the PS3 doesnt use "run of the mill" 2.5" HDDS because 1. they were Laptop disks and you cant use
a desktop 3.5 (or 5.25 ... if you remember the quantum bigfoots...) and they had to be under a certain thickness, as there exist 2.5" disks that wont
fit - And ALSO the WD. VelociRaptor drives were a 2.5" drive with a huge 3.5" heatsink on them for cooling- you cant take that off and put it in a PS3 or PS4
without it overheating, but it doesnt mean the PS3 and PS4 dont use standard HDDs just because there are outliers.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well, if you look through my posts this actually lines up perfectly well.

I said a run of the mill SSD- If you start making it exotic... which is literally what cerny said "the architecture of the drive isn't too foreign" this is no longer
run of the mill, it also means that if you start to talk about SSDs with elaborate cooling solutions you are not talking about "run of the mill" either.
Run of the mill doesnt mean " any ".

The certification is a guarantee of function, but it doesnt mean its all that will function.
If it turns out the console has a whitelist of drives and it wont accept any others, then its my bad... as of now it just seems to line up to say
a "run of the mill" drive meaning one that isnt exotic, isnt customized with strange cooling solutions and fits a standard size slot using a run of the mill
architecture is what the PS5 is compatible with, and that it wont be something hard to get, exotic etc, Yeah you will be careful not to get something
that wont work - but as I said thats like saying the PS3 doesnt use "run of the mill" 2.5" HDDS because 1. they were Laptop disks and you cant use
a desktop 3.5 (or 5.25 ... if you remember the quantum bigfoots...) and they had to be under a certain thickness, as there exist 2.5" disks that wont
fit - And ALSO the WD. Raptor drives were a 2.5" drive with a huge 3.5" heatsink on them for cooling- you cant take that off and put it in a PS3 or PS4
without it overheating, but it doesnt mean the PS3 and PS4 dont use standard HDDs just because there are outliers.

Your "run of the mill" claim seems to get less run of the mill with every post you do.

I totally get you're trying to hype up external SSDs for PS5 gamers by making it sound easy peasy, but cut your losses. It's not easy and it's not going to be run of the mill SSDs off the shelf.

 

[Arkam]

I want to see some game install size before I get too upset. But based on this gen it is kinda worrisome.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Your "run of the mill" claim seems to get less run of the mill with every post you do.

No.... It means not exotic or weird or customized. Run of the mill.

My initial definition stands- its not ME whos confused about what it means and what it implies, it seems to be that
you have a reading comprehension issue.

People: A honda civic uses run of the mill tires. Nothing special is required

StreetsofBeige :

: "B... BUT YOU CANT PUT 35 INCH TIRES ON IT AND NONE OF THE 6 LUG BEADLOCK WHEELS I HAVE WILL FIT AND
YOU CANT USE TIRES FOR A TRAILER ON IT AND ITS NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUST GO BUY PLASTIC TIRES AND HONDA IS TELLING YOU
WHAT SIZE TIRES YOU NEED SO IT ISNT LIKE YOU CAN JUST USE ANY TIRE!!!!!!"

 

[Thirty7ven]

External SSDs aren’t very expensive.

 

[JackNightblade]

Yup. Going to go with the 2TB Playstation 5 Disc version.

2 gigs of Sonys proprietary SSD? theres a reason its only 850 gigs to become with—its radically expensive. 2 tb model would probably raise the cost another $100 or so