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What's wrong with Digital Foundry?
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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didn't it start with xbox one launch? With them claiming sub-1080p resolution weren't noticeably worse and downplaying ps4 1080p titles advantage? Or am I mistaking them for someone else?
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Deleted member 740922
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One of them says "weview" and "wesolution" so I instantly had to give up on them.
-Arcadia-
Banned
That's fair.
Zoro7
Banned
The only thing that bothered me was when that Alex dude was saying PS4 exclusives looked good because they ran at 30 fps and that Halo was running at 60fps. And when the other guy questioned his logic he was like “really??? Really??”
Completely ignoring how one thing is running on 7 year old hardware is stupid.
Completely ignoring how one thing is running on 7 year old hardware is stupid.
Duckhuntdog
Member
John cannot correctly pronounce the letter 'r', that's why everyone is up in arms.
Yes, Richard! D'oh!
Yes, Richard! D'oh!
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-Arcadia-
Banned
Wichard, you mean, lol
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Ackshually, that's Witchard.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Oh fuck you lmao
MrFunSocks
Banned
Definitely fair to mock peoples disabilities.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Reset is a few miles back, bub.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Thanks sweetie. Don't have to be an SJW to not mock disabilities though, you just have to not be a piece of shit human being.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
If I hadn't taken the time to actually double check how to spell "ackshually" I would have made the joke first.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Do you realize you're lecturing someone with a disability? That jokes about her hearing all the time, and takes (and gives) jokes back?
The 'piece of shit human being' is the one that steps on everyone's fun, and divides people along hyper-politicized identity lines. You. It's you.
Many joke about 'Witchard' as a sign of fondness, familiarity. Others joke... because it's funny. And you know what? Richard doesn't cry everywhere. He has a laugh at himself, moves on, and continues being a hallmark of modern journalism, and a huge success story.
He doesn't need you to simp for him, you whiny little shit. Now, fuck back off to where you came from.
grfunkulus
Banned
i still watch them, i love any kind of analysis but...
check their comparison of forza and GT on the ps4/xbox one... GT looks ten times better but they chalk it up to stylistic differences and forza choosing to model cheaper makes of carsawful, stinky stinky
Lol wat? GT has better lighting. Forza has better resolution. I vaguely remember that video but if they say they were equal on lighting, I'll give you that. GT is superior. It's also probably superior in asset rendering BUT if you're doing it at a lower resolution, and the overall result isn't any more believable, HDR notwithstanding, than I don't see how they were unfair.
GT7 was unimpressive IMHO too. Obviously, I'll reserve judgment for the final release but Forza 5 at launch managed to be beautiful and impressive on Day 1, despite releasing on unimpressive hardware.
JonnyMP3
Member
How is a speech impediment a fucking disability???
Can I claim benefits for a fucking lisp?
MrFunSocks
Banned
Lol you post that and call me a "whiny little shit".
Oh and you're now playing the disabled card? You sure you're not from Reeeeeee as well? Holding the trans card in your back pocket to play next? or the POC one?
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
New favorite poster right here.
-Arcadia-
Banned
When your ideology is based around being an unwitting tool (figurative and literal) for people who seek to do nothing but divide and subvert, you see the world as a never ending series of aggressions and offenses.
Far from judging a joke as a joke, or even understanding context anymore, suddenly everything has a hyper-literal meaning, and is problematic.
This man is a victim, albeit a willing one. Likely brainwashed in a college classroom, or a bubbled community like Resetera. I would have actually showed him some understanding, had he toned it down a bit, but talk shit...
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
They were relevant at the beginning of this gen because they could count more pixels on the PS4 compared to Xbox One, and became unrelevant when Microsoft released One X because then Microsoft had the best console hardware, which is also why graphics no longer matter, or only matters on PS4 exclusives because they can't be compared on other platforms since they are exclusives.
JonnyMP3
Member
Yeah, it's the same brain dead melt that is trying to convince others that Halo: Infinite is an Xbox One game ported over to the XSX... CONTRARY TO WHAT MICROSOFT ARE SAYING!
Dumbass...
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I do think DF's input is valuable for more than console wars btw, if you're someone like me who tends to own every platform in a specific generation and a game releases for all of them it matters where it runs best. Still remember how blurry Black Ops 2 looked on PS3 then I switch to 360 and it's clear as day! WTF was that shit? Should have watched DF.
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Elog
Member
I really like DF. Have always read their articles/watched their videos over the years.
Lately I have criticised Alex for lack of objectivity in his approach and wondered why the rest of the team allows him to work like that (even asked myself whether they have some sort of MS deal in terms of ads etc). I will not let that change my reading behaviour with regard to DF though - they are good.
Lately I have criticised Alex for lack of objectivity in his approach and wondered why the rest of the team allows him to work like that (even asked myself whether they have some sort of MS deal in terms of ads etc). I will not let that change my reading behaviour with regard to DF though - they are good.
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-Arcadia-
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TFW I'm one of the brain-dead melts.
To be fair, though! I think MS is full of it, and will say anything regardless of how little sense it makes. It's clearly a ported Xbox One game, and a rough one at that.
JonnyMP3
Member
TFW I'm one of the brain-dead melts.
To be fair, though! I think MS is full of it, and will say anything regardless of how little sense it makes. It's clearly a ported Xbox One game, and a rough one at that.
To be fucking fair... I too believe it to be a current gen game. But with this whole console war raging around me... It's fun to use 'Official' statements to mess with people.
I'm too pro at Gaf after lurking for 9 years to not stir the pot a bit.
Anyways... You look kinda familiar?
Where have I seen you before?
Have I sold you a ticket?
Krappadizzle
Member
Nothing wrong with them. They're great. Fanboys get mad when they don't pick their favorite piece of plastic as the better piece of plastic.
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Jtibh
Banned
Tone it down buddy or i will report you and wont back down till you get your punishment.
You been the very deffinition of a console fanboy warrior.
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Stilton Disco
Member
They're mostly excellent with a slight bias towards MS.
It's not so much so that they ever lie, but they'll downplay flaws a bit more and praise accomplishments that little bit more definitively for anything Xbox than they do with Sony or Nintendo.
It's never stopped me watching them, although I have rolled my eyes a good few times this gen with how often they originally declared barely any difference between the XO and PS4, but then would act like there was a chasm in the quality difference between XOX and PS4Pro.
It's why I tend to watch both them and NX Gamer's analysis', since between them you usually get a very comprehensive and realistic understanding of the tech involved in any software or hardware.
It's not so much so that they ever lie, but they'll downplay flaws a bit more and praise accomplishments that little bit more definitively for anything Xbox than they do with Sony or Nintendo.
It's never stopped me watching them, although I have rolled my eyes a good few times this gen with how often they originally declared barely any difference between the XO and PS4, but then would act like there was a chasm in the quality difference between XOX and PS4Pro.
It's why I tend to watch both them and NX Gamer's analysis', since between them you usually get a very comprehensive and realistic understanding of the tech involved in any software or hardware.
Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
DF is my go to when deciding for multi-plats. However, Dark1X needs to stop crying. Just focus on your work.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
Well, dunno. But them downplaying the shitty looks of Halo Infinite was hilarious.
And I am saying that as somebody who is more inclined getting an XSEX over a PS5 next gen.
And I am saying that as somebody who is more inclined getting an XSEX over a PS5 next gen.
SirTerry-T
Member
DF Retro alone, justifies their existence.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Shit, I hope not. That would be awkward as fuck.
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thismeinteil
Member
800x this. DF does have great content when they are looking at individual games on specific consoles. Comparing the base models with the midgen refreshes. Their Retro vids. But, their bias for MS is completely obvious, unless you are a fanboy.
During 360 vs PS3, they were making sure to point out the resolution differences and the difference in grass. As soon as XBO had the weaker ports, they were downplaying 720p/900p vs 1080p at the start of the gen. Even recommended a few XBO games over the PS4 version. Of course, resolution became important, again, as soon as the X launched.
The worse offense lately was the excuse video for Halo. Something they have never done for a PS game. If that was a PS5 exclusive, they would have made a video zooming into every little detail. Showcased the bad textures and low polys. And they sure as hell wouldn't have chalked up 50% or more of the problem being the viewers perception of lighting. Instead, Alex said he was just too tired to go into all the details of the gameplay demo. How professional. Wish I could use that excuse at work.
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Soodanim
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I don't really bother with the console stuff as I skipped this gen. But with regards to Digital Foundry as a whole, I enjoy their content. The stuff I watch tends to just be Richard''s - not by choice, he just handles the content I watch. They provide interesting insight into technical stuff beyond what most people see, and their GPU comparisons are forever useful.
Going by this thread, I imagine there is a lot of the confirmation bias and connecting dots that aren't there - the type of reasoning conspiracy theories are made of and sustained by. I've already seen the handwaving of PlayStation advantage of "They have to admit it" like DF have sat round a table looking worried and said "Boys, we're in big trouble here. We just can't get out of it this time, we're going to have to give Sony a point. I'll take the heat from Microsoft. I know none of you like it and I don't either, but I'll make it up to Microsoft - I promise."
And if you don't understand why they do zooms, don't watch them. It obviously isn't aimed at you, and that's okay.
Going by this thread, I imagine there is a lot of the confirmation bias and connecting dots that aren't there - the type of reasoning conspiracy theories are made of and sustained by. I've already seen the handwaving of PlayStation advantage of "They have to admit it" like DF have sat round a table looking worried and said "Boys, we're in big trouble here. We just can't get out of it this time, we're going to have to give Sony a point. I'll take the heat from Microsoft. I know none of you like it and I don't either, but I'll make it up to Microsoft - I promise."
And if you don't understand why they do zooms, don't watch them. It obviously isn't aimed at you, and that's okay.
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Calverz
Member
That is complete horse shit and you know it.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
While true, these statements can be used on both sides,even though Xbox players are in the minority in here.
DavidGzz
Member
I'm answering OP's question. The same can go for Xbox Fanboys but I don't really see that, if I do it isn't nearly as prevalent because like you said, one side outnumbers the other by a lot.
Tschumi
Member
"How 'bout these airvents then? They're botth very detailed"
Keep in mind that at the start of the video the guy says they're playing Forza on a PC at max settings, whereas GT is on the PS4 pro.
Are you kidding? Look at them. It's like a generational difference. Who needs higher resolution when the results are like this? And, is this guy trying to tell us that occlusion mapping is the reason GT looks way better? This is the guy who said Halo is some better lighting away from looking as good as we all expected, isn't it?
5:59 - come on.
6:05ish - he specifically makes a point that the GT car is 'less powerful' in a tech analysis. Are we kidding? Let's ignore that the porsche has visible yellow break discs whereas the Forza one doesn't? Is that because the more powerful car doesn't need break discs? Maybe, I dunno~
6:20ish - "The interior is similar... equally well modelled" he says as one car has a stereo and the other doesn't.
6.33 - "GT does have the edge in terms of ___(heaps of stuff but since they made fewer cars than Forza it's explained. Is that seriously meant to be a technically savvy analysis?
7:00ish - "[Forza has heaps of great tracks with an HD texture pack for oneX and PC users - PS4 has less tracks but they're all gorgeous]"
7:15ish - "When placed side by side it's clear that both games offer a high level of detail" Come on, you look at that video comparison footage while he says this and tell me GT doesn't look a century better.
7:20ish (next point) - "[GT looks great... Forza takes risks which explains why it looks worse]"
I can't go through the whole video doing these captions, I've taken these few notes to get my point across. At least concede that I am standing on reasonably solid ground in saying that the guy was kind of stretching for reasons to say Forza is on the same level as GT in terms of visual quality.
EDIT: from memory, in other parts he talks about how GT has background detail and better draw distance, but he says Forza hides that with less open views in its tracks... he doesn't imply that this is a downside. Later, he talks about how Forza's crap trees (two flat 2D images arranged at 90 deg around a Z-axis) are "Less distracting" thanks to fewer artifacts. Is he actually making a parody video? Much later: "Crashes have much more visceral impact in Forza" he says as the car remains entirely unscathed by a front-on collision.
Later edit: i think the game review industry at large has a vested interest in keeping both sides of the console war seemingly viable - to maximise fanbase access.. i think this guy is like a leading exponent of this kind of doublespeak
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cormack12
Gold Member
I got fed up with all these analysis houses after last gen. When we had pages upon pages counting pixel steps and dynamic resolution changes. The same with NXGamer - I prefer stuff like his breakout uncharted vid that points out things going on in the scene that you might miss, like all the details.
I think a few things have happened with DF. They got a few things wrong regarding resolution and then quite honestly just said the levels of scaling and dynamism are too frequent and good now to validate every single scene so they might miss the odd drop. I don't blame DF for this, as technology improves it's becoming harder to make definitve statements that do not have outliers in certain scenes/data. They also can't be as candid/abrasive as they are going for a level of professionalism. I find the bias claims a bit strange, when they were the ones pretty much showing the inferior Xbox One versions of games straight out the gate:
www.eurogamer.net
www.eurogamer.net
and plenty more. I think, in tech, you usually take one of two stances. You can commit to the tech and upsell it, or you become a contrarian to provide balance. Especially when you're tendering for multi million pound assets, based on marketing terminology, acquisitions and pre-requisites. I think DF fall into the contrarian bracket in that they prefer to push back in order to establish some sort of middle ground. Unfortunately we're not really going to see this until we get the first drop of games for the new consoles and the multi plats are running better on the XsX. With the exception of Ubi, who seem to work to a standard asset set and resolution across generations.
Having said all this, I do not watch every video DF put out, but I never watch one and think Sony fanboy/MS fanboy either
I think a few things have happened with DF. They got a few things wrong regarding resolution and then quite honestly just said the levels of scaling and dynamism are too frequent and good now to validate every single scene so they might miss the odd drop. I don't blame DF for this, as technology improves it's becoming harder to make definitve statements that do not have outliers in certain scenes/data. They also can't be as candid/abrasive as they are going for a level of professionalism. I find the bias claims a bit strange, when they were the ones pretty much showing the inferior Xbox One versions of games straight out the gate:
Performance Analysis: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
After a spell in development lingering at 882p and 900p pixel-counts, it's now confirmed that the Xbox One version of C…
www.eurogamer.net
Tech Analysis: Final Fantasy 15 Platinum demo
After a decade of on-and-off development, the end is in sight for Final Fantasy 15. Across multiple setbacks, changes i…
www.eurogamer.net
and plenty more. I think, in tech, you usually take one of two stances. You can commit to the tech and upsell it, or you become a contrarian to provide balance. Especially when you're tendering for multi million pound assets, based on marketing terminology, acquisitions and pre-requisites. I think DF fall into the contrarian bracket in that they prefer to push back in order to establish some sort of middle ground. Unfortunately we're not really going to see this until we get the first drop of games for the new consoles and the multi plats are running better on the XsX. With the exception of Ubi, who seem to work to a standard asset set and resolution across generations.
Having said all this, I do not watch every video DF put out, but I never watch one and think Sony fanboy/MS fanboy either