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[SHA]

So console owners won't second guess on whether they should stay on consoles or move to PCs, the xbox this way is not a pc as the og was, at the same time, pc is a secondary platform, with these decisions, p people off to secure sales when it actually does opposite effects, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't sell enough units.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Playstation studios is all about cinematic games.

Xbox Studios is all about artistic choices.

 

[LostDonkey]

They really gotta stop with the noncy faces in their thumbnails I had to unsub because of it.

Hahahahaha

Sorry.

 

[Aretak]

Have you considered the option that perhaps they are neutral and are dedicated to making objective analyses based on their opinion and experience? That they really don't give a shit about the whole console wars, and that the whole biased thing is nothing more than the anger of fanboys who don't like to hear anything but that their plastic toy is better than the other brand's?

Considered and dismissed. The idea that Digital Foundry is "objective" when it comes to certain subjects and brands is laughable. The channel is practically an arm of Nvidia's marketing department on the PC side of things, from Rich defending and justifying their pricing to Alex having a wee meltdown on Twitter when Hardware Unboxed pointed out some of the flaws with DLSS frame generation. That's before getting into the overt Nvidia-sponsored content and avowed Nvidia staff members being presented as impartial talking heads.

Digital Foundry went completely off the rails when it moved from solely objective data analysis to just another Youtube channel offering hot takes. But then I'm sure the latter sells better and they have a whole team to pay now.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Unacceptable. Expect even more thumbs downs on steam. This bitch is going down

 

[Kenpachii]

game is extremely demanding on pc, it runs far worse then cyberpunk with pathtracing on.

 

[rofif]

At least it's better than starfield

 

[SHA]

I don't care, pc is just a liability, investing don't exist on pcs with these decisions.

 

[Kuwitzzer]

They can not not downgrade the game, the graphical difference between the PC version and the Xbox version can not be too big.

 

[rofif]

I feel like this is a poor comparison because the sun is clearly in a different place

The sun is where it should be. in my pants

 

[winjer]

This might be a better way for people to understand just how badly optimized this game truly is.
One thread doing most of the work, and the rest with low utilization.

 

[akaFullmetal]

DF does a wonderful job but sometimes they appear to miss bugs or performance issues at times. However they do a great job demonstrating how the game performs overall and with different modes and feel like I know what's going on with the quality of the game.

 

[LostDonkey]

The sun is where it should be. in my pants

 

[dotnotbot]

Yet another fake trailer from Microsoft

 

[Dream-Knife]

Third party pubs had A LOT of issues back in the day with really poor performing pc AND console ports in the PS360 era. They had to bulk up and hire entire teams with experience with PS3, Xbox and PC architecture. MS studios are still relatively small. Same goes for Nintendo and Sony studios. Bethesda is another story, but Forza and Halo are self-inflicted wounds.

Releasing between platforms is the easiest it has ever been though. Other than the switch, they all use the same hardware.

 

[Stare-Bear]

The whole RT reflections during gameplay feels like a choice made by MS higher-ups. It's such a waste of resources with minimal return. The average gamer can't see the difference between SSR and RT...

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

But aren't DF the ones who helped perpetuate MS's marketing claims in the first place? This isn't the first time they've turned out wrong about MS's games from a technical analysis POV going off hype reveals and curated presentations. You'd think they would have learned by now.

Better late than never I guess :/

 

[Gaiff]

I said this in another thread, but the day 1 PC ports have blown up in Microsoft's face. Halo, Redfall, Starfield, and now Forza all have launched with massive issues. its just not worth it. Sony has the right idea. Release first then have porting studios do the rest. the only time they had their own devs port it, it blew up in their face with ND completely fumbling TLOU1's PC port.

these games are getting more and more complex, bigger and harder to make. You can expect devs to be making multiple versions and expecting them all to nail all versions. yes, they are no longer making PS5 versions but thats been replaced by series s so in total they are making three versions of the game.

I play on PC so I dont mind Day one releases but fucking DLSS in this game is broken with no performance gain whatsoever so whats the point? I spent thousands of dollars on nvidia GPUs to get better ray tracing and now i cant get it because the devs didnt have time to get multithreading right. Again, whats the point of a PC port when it literally cant do what they want. Starfield also had CPU optimization issues. You could turn off hyperthreading and the game would literally run better. So they are not using using 8 of the 16 threads on XSX either.

Has little to do with releasing PC games day 1. Microsoft has been doing this since 2016. You're talking as if they started yesterday. Gears 5, 6, Forza Motorsport 7, Forza Horizon 5, and most of their other games did not have problems shipping on PC day 1.

By all accounts, the biggest hurdle is the Series S. Too many devs are bitching about it. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Making two versions of the games wouldn't have been a big problem. One for Xbox, and one for PCs that scale from low to high and every dev is saying that scaling down on PC is much easier than on consoles. I wouldn't pin the blame on the PC release when everything points at the Series S.

As for Sony, it was their first real foray into PC ports. Microsoft was making PC games before Xbox games.

 

[Crayon]

"in-engine" is a red flag. Hopefully a few more people get on board with that every time this happens.

 

[VolticArchangel]

They really gotta stop with the noncy faces in their thumbnails I had to unsub because of it.

That shiteating grin on the right is killing me. Lmaooooo

 

[Gambit2483]

"in-engine" is a red flag. Hopefully a few more people get on board with that every time this happens.

Unfortunately that wasn't always the case and "in-engine" was actually a good thing.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The whole RT reflections during gameplay feels like a choice made by MS higher-ups. It's such a waste of resources with minimal return. The average gamer can't see the difference between SSR and RT...

And it's not even proper RT. The game uses a mix of RT, SSR, and cube-maps.

They could have literally not used RT and put those resources to increase the resolution instead, add more environmental details, or improve the car detail.

At this point, it feels like you're 100% right, and the very rudimentary RT implementation is just there for marketing and brownie points.

 

[Unknown?]

I remember being fooled by PS2 bullshots. GT4 screens were WAAYYYY cleaner than the actual game.

 

[Tripolygon]

I feel like this is a poor comparison because the sun is clearly in a different place

It is a downgrade, but compromises had to be made for real-time gameplay. They advertised that as in engine which means the game engine is capable of that with the proper hardware. They did nerf the PC version which should have been capable of showing the game in its full glory. At least RTGI is coming post launch.

 

[Crayon]

Unfortunately that wasn't always the case and "in-engine" was actually a good thing.

I used to consider it a reasonable warning but now you can basically make a cg movie with an engine because you can crank the lods, rt, and everything. Especially if you can get away with showing on pc.

 

[jroc74]

Oh boy....this makes the recent comparison threads interesting now.

So what some ppl thought was ray tracing...may have been SSR.

Wow.

And once again no clarity on what the earlier trailer was running on until weeks later....

 

[DenchDeckard]

Remember when Phil was almost crying on that kinda funny interview saying they need to do better representing series x footage and that it was improving.......yeeeeeah, gg.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

We need MS to push Sony. It's like they just want tons of 70-80 MC games for gamepass.

 

[bender]

I remember being fooled by PS2 bullshots. GT4 screens were WAAYYYY cleaner than the actual game.

The GOAT bullshot:

 

[rodrigolfp]

The whole RT reflections during gameplay feels like a choice made by MS higher-ups. It's such a waste of resources with minimal return. The average gamer can't see the difference between SSR and RT...

Not when it's an option.

 

[Gaiff]

Not when it's an option.

Even then, I'd argue it's useless. The reflections change so damn fast and are so blurred because of the cars' speed that it's quite literally impossible to see them properly unless you pause the game.

 

[Gambit2483]

I used to consider it a reasonable warning but now you can basically make a cg movie with an engine because you can crank the lods, rt, and everything. Especially if you can get away with showing on pc.

I used to consider it as a "promise" that what we were being shown wasn't all bullshots and was a close representation to the final product.

It was at least better than prerendered CG...

 

[Gambit2483]

The GOAT bullshot:

The ultimate Lie

 

[bender]

The ultimate Lie

I still think the delta between the Motorstorm reveal and the final product is larger than the Killzone fiasco.

 

[sendit]

"in-engine" is a red flag. Hopefully a few more people get on board with that every time this happens.

They advertised this as a gameplay reveal, not `in-engine`. But what players will actually experience:

 

[Crayon]

They advertised this as a gameplay reveal, not `in-engine`. But what players will actually experience:

OUCH. I was thinking of the initial reveal. Got to watch out for ms, too. They are the kings of bs and they also have the pc-out now.

 

[buenoblue]

It's almost as if developers haven't finished the game when they reveal it it years before release and just use target footage.

Seriously stop falling for the hype. Wait till a game is out, then decide if you want to buy it

 

[TransTrender]

They advertised this as a gameplay reveal, not `in-engine`. But what players will actually experience:

I saw those hot air balloons in the background in one of the scenes and for some reason I thought the next thing would be a killer whale jumping.
Needed more fireworks.

 

[demigod]

You see Turn10? This is what you get when you don’t take photos with df like Bethesda did.

 

[Negotiator101]

I'm absolutely all for this but if you call out one you have to call out the rest, and we all know there are many.

 

[SenkiDala]

DF being pathetic pricks ? No news here. Were they as strict with Forespoken, or FFXVI being a technical mess (I plated it though) ? FFXVI being 1080p in resolution mode (???) and 720p in frame rate mode ? If that happened to a AAA XSX exclusive that would be armageddon.

Yes FM is a bit downgraded, like a lot (most ?) of games are, in engine videos don't often reflect what you'll get in the final game... At the end the game is still very beautiful in all modes (even if my preference will always go to frame rate mode), quite prettier than GT7 I've to admit after playing it, so let's enjoy the game and not make dramas for nothing.

 

[skit_data]

Totally missed that John says the RT reflections on the cars body only applies when something is ~1m in the vicinity of the player car, then it uses SSR or cubemaps. Yikes, totally missed that part from their tech review.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Well, they should have said it and pointed it out in the numerous videos they have made, not tiptoeing around the topic.

This!! Sorry but DF doesn't get commended NOW for finally speaking up! They're the 'tip toe' masters!

 

[RobRSG]

I turned on my XSX downloaded the game, and all I see is a gray soup on the screen.

Just terrible.

 

[DJ12]

The whole RT reflections during gameplay feels like a choice made by MS higher-ups. It's such a waste of resources with minimal return. The average gamer can't see the difference between SSR and RT...

The irony is DF said the RT only works for about a metre, so people going on about it having RT are probably just talking about good old fashioned cube maps and SSR, which hilarious and sad in equal measure

 

[Slicker than your average]

I'm surprised DF and the circus there are going after Xbox this much. First starfield then this.
Did the lose the script ?

 

[RobRSG]

I'm surprised DF and the circus there are going after Xbox this much. First starfield then this.
Did the lose the script ?

Starfield still looks fine for what it is.

The really impressive stuff is to under deliver with their flagship racing game in that state when the last FH was so competent.

They need to fix at least the broken HDR levels really fast.

 

[Ozzie666]

DF Retro is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just flaming console wars and chosing sides. Their relationship with Microsoft already impacts their 'impartial journalism', they can't risk it. It's a catch 22, they want early access to things and insider information. They can't bite the hand that feeds them. So any negativity against Xbox, is somewhat surprising.

 

[gooner4life_uk]

Microsoft need to exit the gaming business, they can take DirectX and it's shit shader compilation stutter with it as well.

 

[Unknown?]

Totally missed that John says the RT reflections on the cars body only applies when something is ~1m in the vicinity of the player car, then it uses SSR or cubemaps. Yikes, totally missed that part from their tech review.

It's just for bullet points, doesn't really add much in reality.