Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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the unreal engine demo on ps3 wasn't playable, afaik. if you're talking about the armor guy with lava that was a realtime cutscene. This is playable, ingame.
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PS5's SSD is "far ahead" of those found in high-end PCs, according to Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney
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Tomeru
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He meant you can actually control the character like you see, climb the same walls and get to that stargate at the end. Epic said it was supposed to be at gdc where you wouldve had the chance to experience this playable tech demo.
NullZ3r0
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Fixed that a bit for you.
Kokoloko85
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SSD more than just faster loading lol....like alot of people said and then PS5 haters not excepting the idea.
XBox not having a good week
XBox not having a good week
GHG
Member
It's about time SSD's became a requirement for PC games and developers can start counting on them.
Only took 7 years! Funny to think I bought my first SSD back in 2013 and it only had 120GB of storage.
Bye bye mechanical hard drives. Finally.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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people are comparing it to the samaritan demo which was a realtime cutscene on pc, and to the unreal demos on ps3 and ps4 which were also realtime cutscenes. but this is gameplay
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StormCell
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Why does Mark Cerny always look like he's plotting something lol
Because his true calling in life is to either be the Scarecrow OR be the Rat King. He would really fit either role perfectly well.
Now that I think about it even more, from a TMNT perspective, he's Baxter Stockman...
jackets with pockets
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JareBear: Remastered
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It will be add an extra segment to head to head comparisons next gen. Framerate and resolution, then breaking down differences between loading times, LOD pop in, draw distance, etc.
I know I get eye rolls when I say this, but I feel it’s fair to remind that XsX still has an ultra fast SSD, so it will be interesting to see the tangible results of both consoles’ leap in storage bandwidth and then additionally how the PS5’s extra speeds show up in gameplay
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Haha ah I don't belive you
ANIMAL1975
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So you saying that Sony made the tech demo, and is in reality behind all this marketing behind the reveal Unreal Engine 5!?
Damn... isn't this somewhat of fraudulent behavior? Should be investigate and prosecuted!
Will they have 12 channels and 6 priority lanes too?
Remember what Cerny said, the future M2 drives for expanding storage to be approved, will have to be at least 7GB/s to compensate the amount of customization in the proprietary SDD alone.
thelastword
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Lets take a moment...…………….., to once again thank Mark Cerny for his vision and delivery on yet again another awesome piece of hardware. Tim Sweeney has said it, PS5's SSD is a tier above PC and it really is the cog that is allowing such a high level of fidelity and fluidity with no visible lod transitions. High quality assets, (movie quality, 8k assets) which stays under scrutiny, no matter how you pan and how fast you move. Detail far away from the character still resolves the same level of high detail. Thanks next gen and most of all, thank you Mark Cerny, I have never doubted you based on your history, brilliance and what you have given us before.....
Kudos to another stellar showing by Sony......Going by this, June 4th is going to tear down the internet...
Kudos to another stellar showing by Sony......Going by this, June 4th is going to tear down the internet...
ResilientBanana
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So.. my next mother board will come with 825GB of storage? Doubt.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Love that they are pushing PC tech forward.
Everyone benefits.
Everyone benefits.
JareBear: Remastered
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New PC Gamer article
PC Gamer - asks about 2070 Super handling UE5 Demo and storage requirements for it
www.pcgamer.com
PC Gamer - asks about 2070 Super handling UE5 Demo and storage requirements for it
Fast SSD storage is key to the Unreal Engine 5 demo's super detailed scenes
Along with a good GPU, you'll need a speedy drive if you want to run UE5 games at the level of detail shown in the demo.
GrayChild
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Unreal Engine 5 tech demo uses 'film-quality' assets, runs on today's hardware
The PlayStation 5 demo shows off Epic's impressive 'Nanite' rendering technology, coming next year.
There goes the whole 'it can run only on PS5' theory.
OptimistPrime
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Yeah, I think just like with the GPU/CPU discussion between the two consoles, people are over-estimating the differences between the two. They both have clearly invested heavily in this area and while the XSX has 45% less bandwidth (after compression) on paper, they’re both in the same ballpark compared to last gen consoles or PC. It’s going to be degrees of difference, hard to say how much because we don’t have any real world examples to compare with, but I doubt it’s going to be radically different either way.
yurinka
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Because the trick they do to show all the stuff is to stream data super fast from the storage, and since the PS5 has the best SSD in the market, 2X faster than the Series X one, it should work better right now on PS5 than in Xbox or PC, specially when they are a year and a half away from the complete UE5 release so it may not be totally optimized.
In addition to this, PS5 has more than twice than the market share than MS, so more players and devs may be interested on it than on Series X.
UE5 is a year an a half away from its final release. So they may have a lot to optimize, complete and tweak. Same goes with the console hardware, its OS, API, drivers, etc: it isn't final/wasn't final when they were working on this. Make sure that at UE5 release this demo will be better in different ways and one of them may be its native resolution.
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SupremeHoodie
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Any gameplay that the ps5 showcases. High end pcs and Xbox series x can do it better. It’s simple math.
ethomaz
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It will run at 1600p with lower level of detail due slower SSD if you take what Epic said in the interview.The thing to make sure this demo won't run at 1440p
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bitbydeath
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Unreal Engine 5 tech demo uses 'film-quality' assets, runs on today's hardware
The PlayStation 5 demo shows off Epic's impressive 'Nanite' rendering technology, coming next year.www.pcgamer.com
There goes the whole 'it can run only on PS5' theory.
How much lower detail is the question.
thelastword
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Who says it can only run on the PS5. The question is how much faster can it run elsewhere and with what type of compromises to fidelity....Unreal Engine 5 tech demo uses 'film-quality' assets, runs on today's hardware
The PlayStation 5 demo shows off Epic's impressive 'Nanite' rendering technology, coming next year.
There goes the whole 'it can run only on PS5' theory.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So your saying that it’s only capable on ps5 because of the fast SSD and wouldn’t be on Xbox or pc?
Unreal Engine 5 tech demo uses 'film-quality' assets, runs on today's hardware
The PlayStation 5 demo shows off Epic's impressive 'Nanite' rendering technology, coming next year.
Sure. If it works on today PCs with SSD drive you would for sure need to lower the detaily om XsX
ethomaz
Banned
Again with a lower level of detail... it is in your link.Unreal Engine 5 tech demo uses 'film-quality' assets, runs on today's hardware
The PlayStation 5 demo shows off Epic's impressive 'Nanite' rendering technology, coming next year.
Sure. If it works on today PCs with SSD drive you would for sure need to lower the detaily om XsX
What?
Only thing there is about performance is
"...you should still get awesome performance"
Nothing about lower details. And since that demo was running at 1440p and 30FPS...well you get the picture
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I heard that this demo was running on dev kits from 6 months ago?
And yet Microsoft can't get games running on their console that was finalised 6 months ago.
Come on MS, take the gloves off. I want to see you and Sony battle it out like we haven't seen for generations.
And yet Microsoft can't get games running on their console that was finalised 6 months ago.
Come on MS, take the gloves off. I want to see you and Sony battle it out like we haven't seen for generations.
ColonialRaptor
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You must not have ever lived pay check to pay check...
phil_t98
#SonyToo
“To get results like you see in the tech demo you'll need some good hardware, but it is within reach of today's gaming PCs.”
Optimistic Gamer
Member
I did. I bought a console back then.
ethomaz
Banned
Keep reading he talks a lot about the level of detail... he gives even example with HDD that will have a lot of less detail on screen.What?
Only thing there is about performance is
"...you should still get awesome performance"
Nothing about lower details. And since that demo was running at 1440p and 30FPS...well you get the picture
More steaming speeds = more detail.
That was what the demo was built to.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
He does say that all this is achievable on today’s pcs to
ColonialRaptor
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So talking about the LOD and the amount of geometry and stuff visible by resolution this is REALLY interesting stuff for me. I first watched the gameplay demo on my iPad Pro at 1080p60 and I was SUPER impressed. I've now gone to my PC and had a look at 4K and it's insane how much more clear the details are and really makes me realise that the higher resolutions are going to be a big part of the next-gen games. Seriously cool stuff. I'm not sure if I care if the res they render at is 1440p or 1600p if they're using DLSS or similar tech to upscale to 4K for the screens. It is very difficult to really see much difference as you get higher than 1440p. Of course, 4K is better but if they can use DLSS to simulate the higher res with no real drop in image quality but by rendering lower they can make the overall scene look better I'm all for that for sure. I also think it's really cool the way the tech is getting those VRS elements and everything is becoming super-efficient. This next-gen has me more excited for a new console. I don't remember being this excited since the Dreamcast.
As long as there are games available I'm in Day 1 this time and I haven't bought a console day 1 since GameCube.
As long as there are games available I'm in Day 1 this time and I haven't bought a console day 1 since GameCube.
ethomaz
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"I couldn't get any exact specifications from Epic, but on a conference call earlier this week I asked how an RTX 2070 Super would handle the demo, and Epic Games chief technical officer Kim Libreri said that it should be able to get "pretty good" performance. But aside from a fancy GPU, you'll need some fast storage if you want to see the level of detail shown in the demo video."
"To that end, Unreal Engine 5 is being "optimized for next-generation storage." The PlayStation 5 storage tech is "god-tier," says Sweeney, while PCs have some catching up to do. That said, "on a high-end PC with an SSD," and especially with an NVMe SSD, we should get "awesome performance" from Unreal Engine 5 games. "
"You could render a version of this [demo on a system with an HDD], it would just be a lot lower detail,"
There is a clear difference between the God-tier and Awesome.
Faster streaming = more details.
With less details... yes... you got awesome but not PS5 god-tier.
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OptimistPrime
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True, also that hardware only gets truly pushed when a new console generation comes along. GTX 1080-level performance has been around for 4 years already, and only a year or two from now will it even be used to this level.
No one wants to invest in this kind of software advance when only 5% of the PC market can even play it. It’s still only around 10% of the Steam hardware survey after all this time.
Did i miss something or Microsoft changed their disc to HDD from SSD in XsX?
ethomaz
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Less speed = less detail.
The demo was about that... both Xbox and PC (today) can't reach the level of detail showed in PS5 demo because the SSDs are slower.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Your assuming less detail will happen in PC SSD because he clearly states HDD . If an SSD. I’d fitted to PC it will have the same results if not better depending on hardware.
just remember he said lower detail for HDD THAS ALL
ethomaz
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It will have better resolution and/or effect on PC high end.
Less details on screen due the SSD.
That will change on PC side when the next "gen" PCI-E SSDs are launched late this year.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
No chance, you are making that up because nothing in those quotes says less detail on pc with SSD, only HDD
ethomaz
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Epic said that and it is public... why I will made up something public? Think a bit about.
He even goes and says the PC SSDs needs a bit to catch up yet.
The key parts are:
"To that end, Unreal Engine 5 is being "optimized for next-generation storage." The PlayStation 5 storage tech is "god-tier," says Sweeney, while PCs have some catching up to do. That said, "on a high-end PC with an SSD," and especially with an NVMe SSD, we should get "awesome performance" from Unreal Engine 5 games.
That doesn't mean that old HDDs will be unable to handle UE5 games and their billion-polygon "film quality" assets. The idea behind UE5 is to let developers import the highest quality assets they have, and then automatically scale everything to fit the hardware being used, all the way down to phones."
Faster streaming = more detail.
Slower streaming = less detail.
How much? I don't know it is scaleable according with the HDD/SSD used.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Sony have said that you can buy PC SSD to replace the internal ssd to upgrade the storage. So your basicly saying that they will magically get faster when you put them in the PS5 and not be that fast in PC lol
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ethomaz
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Yeap... the SSDs that will be launched late this year (7GB/s + speeds).
PC doesn't have that today.
Sony was clear that actual SSDs won't work on PS5 due being slow.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
But you can get 6gbs already? Which is extremely fast and can more than do that demo
he clearly states thattoday’s pcs can do that demo and the only thing he says about lower detail is HDD
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bitbydeath
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The customised i/o throughput is the magic.