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PS5's SSD is "far ahead" of those found in high-end PCs, according to Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney
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PuppetMaster
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God-tier storage system!
Praise Cerny!
Praise Cerny!
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
My issue is the thing isn’t that large it’s gonna fill up so fast, you’ll have it filled up in like 5 games, then you’ll need to constantly delete and reinstall unless they have a workaround for that.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Sounds like the PS5 is engineered in such a way where the SSD really can be used like a giant RAM pool. It's good to see industry heads confirm it, although this is pretty much what Sony has been claiming all along.
PS3 installation was a pain. I still boot up the PS3 nowadays and it's so sluggish compared to PS4. That said, PS4 updates, patches, and installations are still "go make a sandwich" tier, but you can jump into the game faster in many cases. That was one of the original selling points of PS4, after all: you could partially-install a game and jump in. I believer there are loading comparisons between PS4 and X1 and PS4 performs better.
It's better than PS3. And the loading is miles better than the load speeds and limitations on my favorite SEGA Saturn or PS2 games, but the PS4 can still take minutes or hours to install/patch a single game.
If the SSD is fast, installation itself for a PS5 title should be very quick. The bottleneck would be re-downloading the files or ripping the files from the disc, but at least one facet of the installation process has been sped up. How long does it take to fully install Red Dead Redemption 2 on a PS4 Pro and download and install the latest patches? About 2 hours, I found out about 2 weeks ago. On the PS5, maybe a similar installation would only take 6 minutes. Another option would be partial uninstallations, where you uninstall the "core" of the game but retain the patches and save files (PS4 already kinda allows this). So a game might be 100 GB fully installed and patched, but you can store a backup of the installation that only takes up 20 GB and reduces the time it takes to reinstall from 6-8 minutes down to 1-2 minutes.
Still a pain, but less of a pain.
I'm not saying this is how it will work in the PS5, but I could see it working something like that.
I hate to say it, but what if there is no workaround for this problem but at least games install / restore a lot faster?
PS3 installation was a pain. I still boot up the PS3 nowadays and it's so sluggish compared to PS4. That said, PS4 updates, patches, and installations are still "go make a sandwich" tier, but you can jump into the game faster in many cases. That was one of the original selling points of PS4, after all: you could partially-install a game and jump in. I believer there are loading comparisons between PS4 and X1 and PS4 performs better.
It's better than PS3. And the loading is miles better than the load speeds and limitations on my favorite SEGA Saturn or PS2 games, but the PS4 can still take minutes or hours to install/patch a single game.
If the SSD is fast, installation itself for a PS5 title should be very quick. The bottleneck would be re-downloading the files or ripping the files from the disc, but at least one facet of the installation process has been sped up. How long does it take to fully install Red Dead Redemption 2 on a PS4 Pro and download and install the latest patches? About 2 hours, I found out about 2 weeks ago. On the PS5, maybe a similar installation would only take 6 minutes. Another option would be partial uninstallations, where you uninstall the "core" of the game but retain the patches and save files (PS4 already kinda allows this). So a game might be 100 GB fully installed and patched, but you can store a backup of the installation that only takes up 20 GB and reduces the time it takes to reinstall from 6-8 minutes down to 1-2 minutes.
Still a pain, but less of a pain.
I'm not saying this is how it will work in the PS5, but I could see it working something like that.
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Entroyp
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ROFL that guy (Phil) is the definition of a car salesman.
cant do more, Digital Foundry said it was more of a GPU limitation since that 1:1 is hitting it very hard, as I mentioned before CPU and GPU will still be a bottleneck this next gen
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
That was playable on ps5. And as was said it wouldn't be easy on the most advanced cards without the ssd.
Maybe it's not just a tech demo but an upcoming game and it has to run on pcs too.
The idea of Alloy having more polygons than all horizon 1 characters doesn't seem so farfetched now.
Persian buttercup
Member
What is a 12 Teraflops ?
What a genius.
Nethernova
Member
I’m in day 1 on ps5 regardless, but aren’t pcie4.0 ssds coming like the Samsung pro 980 which are listed are 7GB read/write speeds? Or does he mean what’s currently available via pcie3.0?
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I’d be fine with it as long as when you delete the install it doesn’t delete all game related content with it like DLC and stuff. And if it does, all that better automatically reinstall when you reinstall the game data itself. Otherwise it would be such a pain in the ass. Deleting a game and it deletes all the related dlc and then you reinstall it and have to go back and redownload all the DLC again.
And if it deletes your game saves, forget it, though I don’t think they’d be that stupid to allow that.
pyrocro
Member
There is a higher markup when selling PC parts
when PS5 is out it would have already had a few brands with faster SSDs, more feature-rich GPUs and PCs already have faster CPUs.
if you follow the logic of this thread intel could announce their next-gen CPU features and their fans/customers will announce them the winner until they are released next year without any products available to the public.
I get being excited but let's not be blinded by marketing and a media that is praying on ignorance.
MS and sony are sourcing all their stuff from 3rd party cooperations whose main objective is to make as much money as possible.
Ms and Sony's main objective with the PS5 and XBSX is to make it as inexpensive as possible.
these 2 things don't square for a reason.
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Long story short: the PS5 SSD speed is just as impressive as any other unreleased PCI-E gen4 SSD.
when PS5 is out it would have already had a few brands with faster SSDs, more feature-rich GPUs and PCs already have faster CPUs.
if you follow the logic of this thread intel could announce their next-gen CPU features and their fans/customers will announce them the winner until they are released next year without any products available to the public.
I get being excited but let's not be blinded by marketing and a media that is praying on ignorance.
MS and sony are sourcing all their stuff from 3rd party cooperations whose main objective is to make as much money as possible.
Ms and Sony's main objective with the PS5 and XBSX is to make it as inexpensive as possible.
these 2 things don't square for a reason.
EDIT:
Long story short: the PS5 SSD speed is just as impressive as any other unreleased PCI-E gen4 SSD.
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sendit
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A high end PC could probably run this if it loaded in lower quality assets. The rate at which the demo is constantly swapping in high quality assets rapidly from SSD to VRAM is one feature being demonstrated here (not just fast SSD, but thanks to the custom I/O hardware). Specifically regarding the use of film quality assets. I would assume the VRAM would get saturated instantly if they tried to run the same demo with no modifications on the PC.
I’m sure SSDs in the near future will be much faster than what the PS5 has. However, their are limitations and bottlenecks that exist In the PC space that prevent any SSD from being fully utilized regardless of speed. See: https://devblogs.nvidia.com/gpudirect-storage/
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's also dynamic and scales.
But let's try and derail the thread around this because people don't want to talk about SSD baseline advantages, eh?
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oldergamer
Member
Sweeny didn't lie, you can;t get NVME drives this fast on PC ( yet ).
Bloody Knuckles
Banned
Wonder if they are going to have some relationship down the line
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So that’s it hitting its peak already? I know games won’t have that much detail usually
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Not derailing, genuine questions. As I said it’s an amazing demo
well idk, I'm pretty sure theres still alot of optimizations it can be done
The Pleasure
Member
Is it my turn now?
Fbh
Member
Ok, so show that. It should translate into a visible advantage for the Ps5.
This whole thing reminds me of that one episode from Top Gear (the real one) where they had these super high end hybrid cars from Ferrarri, Mclaren and Porsche. And it was like:
Ferrari: "Ours is the best and fastest because of these reasons"
Mclaren: "Ours is the best and fastest because of these reasons"
Porsche: ""Ours is the best and fastest because of these reasons"
Top gear: "Ok so let's race them against each other!!"
Ferrari, Mclaren and Porshce:
oldergamer
Member
This is the difference between MS and Sony. Sony will not get any flak for showing a tech demo and not living up to it. for showing CW footage and not living up to it. They literally do it every generation.
The last time MS used a tech demo was for the original Xbox launch, and they couldn't get close in a game, and got flak for it. They use CG footage and got flak for it. they use in engine cut scenes and get flak for it. They use an actual game, and get flak for it.
There is literally nothing they can do but deliver on games to shut people up like they did post 360 launch.
The last time MS used a tech demo was for the original Xbox launch, and they couldn't get close in a game, and got flak for it. They use CG footage and got flak for it. they use in engine cut scenes and get flak for it. They use an actual game, and get flak for it.
There is literally nothing they can do but deliver on games to shut people up like they did post 360 launch.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
After all the bickering, it would be quite funny if SSD truly did end up being the biggest differentiator.
Fanboys don't tend to eat crow, though.
Sony is getting flak, hold your horses.
I do agree this tech demo is a chorus of chirping crickets on the same level of the Xbox One reveal. Those "realistic Dog Animation" and EA Sports tech demos wedged between TV TV TV was not impressive. This tech demo isn't any better. The console is out in six months. This goes for XsX, too. Show off some games instead of demos.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
JTCx
Member
Ouch i just felt that oneI think you have to actually get good sales to be a good salesman
Entroyp
Member
So you are saying life is unfair for poor old MS?
nikolino840
Member
Sweeney wasn't the most hated man in the gaming community? 
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That would be hilarious regardless of which direction the needle falls. I can't wait to see what it'll end up being.
mortal
Gold Member
This was running on a PS5 devkit. You don't have to believe them I suppose, but that was confirmed.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
"500 statues each with 30million polygons" "16 billions polygons" "hundreds billions of polygons throughout the tech demo"
Source: 4K youtube
I like your new Avatar
Journey
Banned
Why does Mark Cerny always look like he's plotting something lol
He looks like Jim Carrey to me lol
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Maybe. They may need some IO tweaks/controllers with new mobo chipsets as well.
Even current nVME which is super fast, is not taken fully advantage of due to current IO bottlenecks. Which is why I am holding off on a PC build until I see what that entails with Ryzen 4.
Ascend
Member
Maybe they'll start releasing graphics cards with an NVMe slot on it.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
"500 statues each with 30million polygons" "16 billions polygons" "hundreds billions of polygons throughout the tech demo"
Source: 4K youtube
The thing to make sure this demo won't run at 1440p
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The thing to make sure this demo won't run at 1440p
It will still run that, just a hair less often, allegedly.
This was not native, it was dynamic temporal reconstruction. Much like HZD or R&C.
Hence why we don't need to waste resources on 4K native when other solutions can be done with no loss in visual quality, only gains for extra fidelity.
