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Did that moron from EDGE Magazine ever release the preview/review for Death Stranding?

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LokusAbriss

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Handel said:
We're not in that age, and it's clear that Edge won that competition as they're one of the few outlets left that still charge for their content.


That is a very long time, most games especially those not in the RPG genre don't take that long to beat. If you're grinding it out with a game you don't enjoy it can feel like longer. From all I know of how game reviewers get paid, it's not hourly either.


He has sat through many games, no doubt many he didn't like. This one particularly gave him problems, and he bowed out of submitting a review for it even though that likely hurt him financially. Being a reviewer is not like being a mechanic, it's more akin to being a writer. GRRM could force himself to sit down and complete TWOW, but would it be something that he would be satisfied giving to his readers?


And their job is not like many other jobs, and doesn't operate under the same rules. Judging it by the standards of standard fair jobs is petty and uneducated, as if game reviewers even make good money.

Nothing lazy about what he did. He sunk over 30 hours into it, then decided he wasn't the right guy to review the game for Edge. He likely lost money from that choice, whereas he could have rushed through the rest to complete it and churn out a review, but that would be a disservice to his profession. Nothing was hinging on him completing the review, he's not out here doing a half-assed job repairing a car that's going to break down on that customer again.

To treat game reviews like car reviews is to not treat games as art. Roger Ebert walked out of movies and still reviewed them, despite their much shorter on average length. Nathan Brown wasn't afforded the opportunity to do the same, to review the game without finishing, even though that would be a true reflection of how he felt about the game : too much of a slog to complete.

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I understand your points. But those sites and magazines are losing value so fast. First pc only outlets had to include console games, then they had to include music and movies. Reviews become less and less important too. They are either bought, about feminism/minorities or too much about the feelings of the reviewers.

I wish there were higher standards in that field. To have professional and indept coverage of all games. From various sites and magazines. Today it is pointless to read one.

The review score is pointless. There should be enough indept information in a review, so everybody can see if the game is for them or not.
 
MilkyJoe

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If I remember correctly he was bitching because Sony had a mandate out that reviewers had to complete the game before reviewing it so he decided he wasn't gonna do his job and was gonna jump on twitter to complain. It doesn't matter if he didn't like the game, its his job. If every reviewer was a crybaby like him all bad games would have zero reviews. Can you tell me any other profession where people don't have to finish their work because they don't like the project? Integrity is the last word I'd use to describe this man's actions.
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Death Stranding is 50 hours long. If he thinks it's a god awful PoS and he tells his boss, then his boss probably thought his time could be better spent reviewing other games, or what have you, that might bring in more clicks to their site, rather than this single review. 50 hours is 6 1/2 days work.

Ps plenty of projects have been cancelled because they are not cost effective - as time = money.

MiyazakiHatesKojima said:
Honesty and professionalism don't go hand in hand.
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You should get a job with EA
 
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MiyazakiHatesKojima

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MilkyJoe said:
Death Stranding is 50 hours long. If he thinks it's a god awful PoS and he tells his boss, then his boss probably thought his time could be better spent reviewing other games, or what have you, that might ring more clicks to their site, rather than this single review. 50 hours is 6 1/2 days work.

Ps plenty of projects have been cancelled because they are not cost effective - as time = money.



You should get a job with EA
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It's one thing to be honest about not liking the game, but it's another thing to boast about it and laugh at the game like it's a piece of shit when it's objectively not.
 
MiyazakiHatesKojima

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Danjin44 said:
The way I see it if they don't like the game enough he/she think cant review it properly then it's better off not to force it. You are not going to get proper review that way, it's like someone who absolutely hates JRPGs force to review JRPG.
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I just hated the way the Editor of the magazine handled it on social media. He mocked Death Stranding and acted like it was funny to not finish the game and review it.

It was petty, pathetic, and not professional.
 
Ogbert

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I don’t see why people are so angry. Edge has always been a magazine that champions gameplay and the craft of excellent controls. DS is a pretty walking simulator that takes itself way, way too seriously.

He played the game for 30 hours. He doesn’t need to spend another 30 or so to reach a conclusion he has already arrived at.
 
MiyazakiHatesKojima

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Ogbert said:
I don’t see why people are so angry. Edge has always been a magazine that champions gameplay and the craft of excellent controls. DS is a pretty walking simulator that takes itself way, way too seriously.

He played the game for 30 hours. He doesn’t need to spend another 30 or so to reach a conclusion he has already arrived at.
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I bet you invested hundreds of US Dollars on EDGE Magazine subscriptions because that was the most shill post I've ever read on GAF.
 
MilkyJoe

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MiyazakiHatesKojima said:
It's one thing to be honest about not liking the game, but it's another thing to boast about it and laugh at the game like it's a piece of shit when it's objectively not.
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Why? The amount of hype, all the awards for best game of E3, the development time and it turned out the way it did. I think it got off lightly.
 
mcjmetroid

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I don't think you were here MiyazakiHatesKojima MiyazakiHatesKojima when this raging debate kicked off last year.

It's a disgraceful thing to do and even worse to admit doing it.
I mean honesty I guess is a thing but it left me wondering how many other media outlets don't finish a game before reviewing it.

I'd imagine as well for a magazine this process should be simpler.
I mean it's great having a review out as quick as possible but your customers are reading a magazine in 2019 surely if they're expecting a review in time they would I dunno... read the internet?

They eventually did review the game and gave it in fairness a better score than I was expecting. I'm not as harsh on Edge for this as I once was.
 
NeoIkaruGAF

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Moron? If anything, the world needs more people not finishing Kojima’s games :messenger_tears_of_joy:

If EDGE didn’t fear reader backlash and more gaming media outlets had EDGE’s balls this market would be very different, and maybe for the better. I don’t always agree with them, of course, but I appreciate their viewpoint here and in other controversial statements, like Game Pass as a GOTY candidate.
 
daninthemix

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MiyazakiHatesKojima said:
I just hated the way the Editor of the magazine handled it on social media. He mocked Death Stranding and acted like it was funny to not finish the game and review it.

It was petty, pathetic, and not professional.
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This may be true, but the fact that the videogame elicited those reactions (from any player) is worthy of pause.

This isn't some big love-fest - games piss people the hell off as well. They are at least as bad as they are good, in terms of the emotions and the reactions they generate.

Come on.
 
Danjin44

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MiyazakiHatesKojima said:
I just hated the way the Editor of the magazine handled it on social media. He mocked Death Stranding and acted like it was funny to not finish the game and review it.

It was petty, pathetic, and not professional.
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All I'm saying it's not worth to get upset for it, you played the game and enjoy it and that's all that matters in the end. When original NiER first came out, it was a game people loved to shit on especially reviewers but that didn't stop the game becoming my GOTY in 2010 and in the end it still got cult following.
 
MiyazakiHatesKojima

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daninthemix said:
This may be true, but the fact that the videogame elicited those reactions (from any player) is worthy of pause.

This isn't some big love-fest - games piss people the hell off as well. They are at least as bad as they are good, in terms of the emotions and the reactions they generate.

Come on.
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EDGE Magazine tend to be pretentious with certain games like Metal Gear Solid and God of War. I'm not surprised by what the editor did, I'm just disappointed.
 
MiyazakiHatesKojima

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Danjin44 said:
All I'm saying it's not worth to get upset for it, you played the game and enjoy it and that's all that matters in the end. When original NiER first came out, it was a game people loved to shit on especially reviewers but that didn't stop the game becoming my GOTY in 2010 and in the end it still got cult following.
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This is very true......

I'll get over it soon. Can't wait to play DS and NiER :)
 
psygn0sis

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Danjin44 said:
All I'm saying it's not worth to get upset for it, you played the game and enjoy it and that's all that matters in the end. When original NiER first came out, it was a game people loved to shit on especially reviewers but that didn't stop the game becoming my GOTY in 2010 and in the end it still got cult following.
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Here in Italy near every reviewer loved to shit on it, after Automata was revealed same reviewers labeled it as "hidden gem" pretending people to not remember what they said in 2010...
 
MiyazakiHatesKojima

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psygn0sis said:
Here in Italy near every reviewer loved to shit on it, after Automata was revealed same reviewers labeled it as "hidden gem" pretending people to not remember what they said in 2010...
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Handel

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Okay whoever did do the review, Nathan or another reviewer(who did it is actually unclear upon investigation), spits some hot fire:

The criticism that he (Kojima) can''t write female characters is misleading; on this evidence he can't write men either.
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:messenger_tears_of_joy:

(not trying to derail, just thought this was a funny quote to share)
 
JLMC469

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Would have done the same thing. DS makes KH3 looks like a masterpiece.

Never forget: “I am Fragile but I’m not that Fragile”. :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Blond

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MiyazakiHatesKojima said:
It's one thing to be honest about not liking the game, but it's another thing to boast about it and laugh at the game like it's a piece of shit when it's objectively not.
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Dude, your obsession with this game is getting way out of hand. I remember waiting for my account to be approved and seeing you post the most ridiculous shit like "This is a AAA game deserving of at least an 8!" Which is the EXACT problem of reviewing games now where you can tell reviewer's felt obligated to make sure certain backlash didn't come their way or blatant flaws regarding the game aren't present in the reviews (Red Dead Redemption 2, God of War).

I love Death Stranding, I think it's a good gameBUT I can tell you there are times in the game where I've gone "I could be doing something useful or play something more fun other than being a post man" and would go do yoga, tend to my garden, walk the dog, etc. And if a reviewer is having those feelings of boredom (which many of them did, and scored accordingly) I understand not wanting to finish the review and go onto something else.

The game is divisive, not everyone is going to like it and I'll be honest when I say the only thing keeping me going right now are the themes of a broken America, the strand ideas and eventually learning about what the death stranding actually is. But once the story element's are satisfied part of me is even wondering if the gameplay currently is enough to carry it through to the end.
 
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Aion002

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It's the video game journalists 101... Anything that it's different from what they want they just bash it.

Remember that dude that was reviewing Infamous Second Son and then posted on Twitter that he wanted to actually be playing Titanfall or something? Or that other one who said that even though the Ps4 was selling a shit ton more than the Xbox one that didn't mean much... I think both cases were from Polygon or Kotaku....
 
SweetShark

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Amazed that people are still impressed by Edge's hipster schtick of assumed self-importance.

The only reason people think its somehow noteworthy as a publication is because they've been telling everyone that since day #1!
 
xrnzaaas

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#Phonepunk# said:
If your job is reviewing games and you are unable to do that I dont see why you even have your job. Why not go flip burgers or something?

people like him are the reason the industry sucks
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Exactly, (almost) every job has its perks and downsides. I bet most reviewers rarely play games that suit their preferences and are a pure joy to play from start to finish.
 
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I thought it was extremely unprofessional. After I had actually played the game that opinion was further consolidated for me.
There's nothing in particular about the game that made it stand out as unplayable but I can see why people would not be into that genre of game and that's fine.

If someone bought the game and didn't like it then I would definitely say "stop playing then". However, for a paid professional reviewer to behave like this does nothing other than to damage the credibility of that reviewer and the outlet that publishes their reviews.

I'm in two minds a little bit because honestly I thought the reviews trashing stuff like Fallout 76 and ME Andromeda were damn hilarious so if someone who hates Death Stranding wants to do the same then I wouldn't want to stop that. It still comes off as really unprofessional and petty though.

I quite like Kojima's games so maybe there is some kind of bias there. I might be more willing to give the game more time and give it a chance to make an impression. I might be more willing to overlook some flaws.

There is a flip side to that though where you seem to have an opposite group that just hates Kojima. So for them it is working the opposite way. Every misstep is grabbed on to and if the game isn't "fun" and "to the point" within 30 minutes they will bash it with maximum force.
 
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