If you are against smart steering "on principle" you need better principles.
This sort of feature is a godsend for parents frankly, let alone helping those less able than others. If your retort is "get good", you can kindly get lost.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Jimquisition: Mario, Take The Wheel
- Thread starter jokkir
- Start date
If you are against smart steering "on principle" you need better principles.
This sort of feature is a godsend for parents frankly, let alone helping those less able than others. If your retort is "get good", you can kindly get lost.
SinCityAssassin
Member
An experience you can have at an accessible rate?
Kudo
Member
I'd argue against and say the lack of difficulty options and how the whole journey is delivered is actually one of the biggest reason for Souls games success.
Acerac
Banned
When you hit 200cc smart steering can be a real advantage, staying on the track can be difficult even for experienced players on some courses.
I don't feel this option should be enabled online, especially as a default.
Prototype Viktor
Member
So if more people were able to play the game it would be a commercial failure?
The reason Demons Souls and Dark Souls got the word of mouth they had was because they were difficult and didn't compromise what so ever. Being an uncompromising game in what was generally viewed as an era of "hand holding" games is literally why the franchise became popular.
Also, in regards to Smart Steering versus something like variable difficulty in the Souls games. Smart Steering doesn't really affect how the game is played that much and Mario Kart in general is meant to appeal to a broader audience of people with vastly different ages. Smart steering is a smart inclusion for that game's core demographic, while variable difficulty isn't necessary for the core demographic of a Souls game not to mention variable difficulty vastly alters the entire experience of a Souls game.
Accessibility is good so long as the accessibility makes sense for the game.
I think what the souls games need are accessibility options, like the smart steering, and more transparent explanations of the mechanics that are designed to make the game easier. I don't think changing damage modifiers would really be the most effective way of making the games more accessible, since - if you are leveling - enemies don't really take that many hits to kill.
Something like a smart-block option might work - you would still have to worry about stamina management but the reaction of pressing the block button is no longer needed for those who can't do it or for those who have trouble keeping all the mechanics clear in heat of battle.
Kudo
Member
Did I say that? I'm pretty sure I didn't.
I do wish Nintendo told me it exists. I thought they had taken out the turbo drift boost.
If someone is having fun then how is it an inferior experience?
If someone is having fun then how is it an inferior experience?
And making an Easy mode that literally changes a few variables stops you from enjoying this experience how?
The argument that somehow you need to totally redesign a game to make it accessible is frankly nuts. Dark Souls is a game where everything wants you dead, letting players of lower ability have a little longer to not be dead is hardly earth shattering is it? The way people act when people ask for options to benefit people other than them is staggering.
Dark_3nergy
Member
(will watch Video when I get home, in the meantime..)
I really am not a fan of having it turned on automatically when the game is booted up for the first time. It's not really explained anywhere that it was a feature. Least, I did not know til I looked into the Mario Kart OT on Gaf.
On the plus side, there are already a bunch of posts in here claiming it works wonders for a much younger aged audience. So, in light of their perspective, I can totally understand why it's turned on by default. It just makes sense. I am still happy this feature exists, because it can help those younger players play the game.
I don't have a problem with assisted steering, but discrete difficulty modes in Souls would definitely upset me.
First of all, don't let it be lost that Souls games already have difficulty options built in: Summoning. You can summon white phantoms to help you and trivialize basically any content in the game no matter how bad you are. Frankly, I actually think this is already too much. I think white phantoms should be nerfed for PVE.
That said, discrete difficulty options in a game built on mystique and collective experience like Souls is? That'd tear away at the fabric of what the game is and what it means.
If you talk about your first experience beating Ornstein and Smough, people know what you mean. Ornstein and Smough are the same for everyone and that's part of why they're memorable.
So what you are saying is some people do not deserve to enjoy some games through no fault of their own. Got it. I hope you never end up having to eat your words.
dickroach
Member
yeah..... yeah.
I was expecting him to make bring up another topic at some point. he didn't
DecoReturns
Member
Smart Steering brought a smile to my little cousins faces instead of frustrations. I love it
Plus, grinding for coins with auto accelerate and Smart steering. Let the computer play in Big Blue and they'll always get gen coins
Plus, grinding for coins with auto accelerate and Smart steering. Let the computer play in Big Blue and they'll always get gen coins
BassForever
Member
My only issue with smart steering is that it's on by default which confused the fuck out of me when I was intentionally about to drift slightly off course before using a mushroom and the game correct me. Love it for my little sisters who are pretty bad at mario kart.
PhilipDoesMatter
Member
That is why it is just an option. I dont get people complaining about an option that can be disabled.
OricWindstar
Member
This really is one of those things I have no understanding of people hating.
Agreed. Fortunately, Jim does bring that up in the video. It's a weird design choice.
An even handed video about accessibility options is what finally went too far?
DecoReturns
Member
It reminds me of Causal mode in Fire Emblem.
Its really unfortunate how people react to these things.
This is pretty much the reason why I'm going to double-dip and get it for the Switch soon. It's that big of a deal for me with little kids.
The oldest can handle 50cc no problem, but then the youngest wants to play too and immediately gets stuck in a wall, gets frustrated, needs help, gets stuck again, repeat.
I've made it a point not to purchase the Souls games because I know I would find them annoying. Which is a shame, because I'm sure those games have a lot to offer outside the challenge. So yeah, sales lost.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
He uses it to poorly censor the word "cunt". Why? I dunno.
I've heard enough stories about Smart Steering helping parents playing with their kids, or with their significant other that doesn't play games to know that it's a good option. Though it miiiiight be a bit too good, since it can make 200cc a bit of a joke with how aggressively it can keep you on the track. As long as you know when to drift, it becomes really easy to stay on course.
Mario kart was already pretty accessible. But if they really wanted to add this, why not turn it off by default or ask the first time you start?
Accessibility is a good thing to have when your game is about getting the broadest audience possible.
I mean it's fucking Mario Kart.
In contrast, games that are laser targeting a more "mature" can get a pass on being less compromising.
Mario/Zelda can be all about giving help to the player in various ways and made accessible as a result.
Something like Fzero/Metroid shouldn't though. As a result, it shouldn't be a surprise that they sell less too, they're not here to bring the megabucks but to round up the library anyway.
Heck if a game like Fifa doesn't have similar features, it's a goddamn shame.
Dark Souls? Not so much.
My point is not all games are for everyone and it's ok.
I mean it's fucking Mario Kart.
In contrast, games that are laser targeting a more "mature" can get a pass on being less compromising.
Mario/Zelda can be all about giving help to the player in various ways and made accessible as a result.
Something like Fzero/Metroid shouldn't though. As a result, it shouldn't be a surprise that they sell less too, they're not here to bring the megabucks but to round up the library anyway.
Heck if a game like Fifa doesn't have similar features, it's a goddamn shame.
Dark Souls? Not so much.
My point is not all games are for everyone and it's ok.
Phatosaurus
Member
It's surprisingly quite abusable for tight drifting around corners, but at the end of the day MK doesn't stand up as a competitive game.
It's just a really good quality and fun racing game that's made for everybody to enjoy and the smart steering helps even more people enjoy it.
But FUCK the blueshell.
I can personally say that I wouldn't be a fan of Fire Emblem if it wasn't for casual mode.
The only time accessibility starts getting ridiculous is when an already accessible game goes overboard with its options to the point of absurdity.
Woolly World is a great game but i feel like having mellow mode ontop of the badge system is crazy when the badge system is more than enough. Its not like the game is hard as bricks like Tropical Freeze which also has a helpful item system for new players.
Woolly World is a great game but i feel like having mellow mode ontop of the badge system is crazy when the badge system is more than enough. Its not like the game is hard as bricks like Tropical Freeze which also has a helpful item system for new players.
lol. seriously. The only reason why he is hating so much on Nintendo is because it gets him views. He knows it and this is unprofessional, IMHO. He lost credibility.
Kudo
Member
Whole difficulty is so overblown, I think of them as Action Adventure JRPGs and outside the challenge the mood of the games is just so good, it's an experience.
They're challenging but never to the point you feel like it's too much. Dark Souls is the game that brought gaming back to my radars after many years, so if I could beat so can anyone else.
Bayonetta and Nier Automata have accessibility options and they're great for it.
Those games have stylish maneuvers and tricks and combos. Yet Platinum was still able to provide accessibility options for those who have trouble with those things.
Some of the added accessibility options in Nier Automata are likely even because PlatinumGames listened to what Halfcoordinated had to say during his speed run of Transformers: Devastation last AGDQ. If people are unaware who Halfcoordinated is, he is a speed runner, a great guy who's always encouraging others and trying to inspire them, an accessibility advocate, and physically disabled himself. His condition lowers his coordination in the right side of his body so he plays all his game one-handed.
There's nothing wrong with adding accessibility to harder games. Even intense action combo heavy games like the one's PlatinumGames make. For some of you, you can simply ignore these option. It's not meant for you. For others it allows them to actually play a game at all.
Those games have stylish maneuvers and tricks and combos. Yet Platinum was still able to provide accessibility options for those who have trouble with those things.
Some of the added accessibility options in Nier Automata are likely even because PlatinumGames listened to what Halfcoordinated had to say during his speed run of Transformers: Devastation last AGDQ. If people are unaware who Halfcoordinated is, he is a speed runner, a great guy who's always encouraging others and trying to inspire them, an accessibility advocate, and physically disabled himself. His condition lowers his coordination in the right side of his body so he plays all his game one-handed.
There's nothing wrong with adding accessibility to harder games. Even intense action combo heavy games like the one's PlatinumGames make. For some of you, you can simply ignore these option. It's not meant for you. For others it allows them to actually play a game at all.
Grow up.
Smart steering is why I'm getting MK8D. I can't play Mariokart with my girlfriend because of how sad she gets when she can't control it properly. This feature seems like a fantastic thing for non-gamers who don't have the time to put into getting good.
I'll reiterate that I never understand people getting angry at easy modes. When I was a kid, I beat Rayman Advance with an invincibility cheat and I used a cheat code to unlock all the levels in DK Country 2, because I enjoyed those games but found them way too hard. I find it less fun to do things like that now, but when you're a kid or a casual gamer, it's no fun to be stuck in the same part forever.
I'll reiterate that I never understand people getting angry at easy modes. When I was a kid, I beat Rayman Advance with an invincibility cheat and I used a cheat code to unlock all the levels in DK Country 2, because I enjoyed those games but found them way too hard. I find it less fun to do things like that now, but when you're a kid or a casual gamer, it's no fun to be stuck in the same part forever.
Orphan of Kos, Nameless King, Capara Demon, and Orinstein and Smough are proof that you're wrong.
Stone Ocean
Member
You say this in a thread about a video in which he greatly praises Nintendo, and the person in question has little to no reason to give a shit about views.
Neat
ToysAndMoreClub
Member
Great thing about the feature is that it is automatically turned ON for them and you don't have to let them know about it. That way they can get a bigger enjoyment out of the game because they are getting this kind of help without it being completely obvious.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
The topic is steering assist in Mario Kart and y'all talking about fucking Dark Souls.
Give it a fucking break. We all know you fucking like Souls. No, it's still not the best game series ever made.
Give it a fucking break. We all know you fucking like Souls. No, it's still not the best game series ever made.
Stone Ocean
Member
The video talks about Dark Souls as well
Basically they sold to the kind of people who bitch about smart steering in Mario Kart.
He is a Nintendo fan though?