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[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Ya I know. I also know that half the Xbox games from then don't work on Xbox 360's but it is the most recent example I can think of that was kinda tricky.

It's well well under half that work on the 360. And ya, that says something if that's the biggest problem you've had in a while.

 

[Snuggles]

Then again, the couch does support multiple cats. In a PC chair I can only have one cat on my lap at a time, and I have two cats.

It's well well under half that work on the 360.

Even those that are supported don't work very well. I was dying to play KOTOR again so I got the Xbox version but I couldn't go 5 minutes in the game without the 360 freezing up or the audio cutting out.

 

[WanderingWind]

Then again, the couch does support multiple cats. In a PC chair I can only have one cat on my lap at a time, and I have two cats.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I....I never thought about it this way.

 

[brain_stew]

Dude, as a third party watching with popcorn in hand, just stop, for your own good just stop.

I play just about everything on my 360 but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer to play on PC and the arguments you are trying to make are paper thin or non-existent. The only real thing stopping me from PC gaming is that i'm satisfied with playing on my 360 and just don't want to spend the money on a PC. That's like the only real valid argument I could muster but its not even worth arguing.

There are a lot of pros for PC gaming, don't push it. This is indeed bad news, taking something away from ANY gaming group is bad and its just bad form to do what you are doing here. I enjoy watching train wrecks like any other forum-goer but just thought I would make an attempt to help you from digging a bigger hole for yourself.

:applause:

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

:applause:

 

[HorribleJames]

Dude, as a third party watching with popcorn in hand, just stop, for your own good just stop.

I play just about everything on my 360 but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer to play on PC and the arguments you are trying to make are paper thin or non-existent. The only real thing stopping me from PC gaming is that i'm satisfied with playing on my 360 and just don't want to spend the money on a PC. That's like the only real valid argument I could muster but its not even worth arguing.

There are a lot of pros for PC gaming, don't push it. This is indeed bad news, taking something away from ANY gaming group is bad and its just bad form to do what you are doing here. I enjoy watching train wrecks like any other forum-goer but just thought I would make an attempt to help you from digging a bigger hole for yourself.

but... I did stop. I already made my olive branch post. then I got led out into the weeds on this thing about the reliability of software. I find it surprising you guys won't even cede an inch on this -- PC games run just as reliably as console games. To me, this idea just sounds flat out zany. maybe fox news has some job openings for you guys.

 

[Zomba13]

I hook my PC up to my TV by removing the HDMI cable plugged into my 360 and plugging it into my video card.

But that's too fucking complicated! My god! Do you expect me to be some sort of technical wizard? With knowledge of these 'cables'? Consoles are so much easier. You just pay the store you bought it from an obscene amount of money and they plug it on for you. PCs can't do that!

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

But that's too fucking complicated! My god! Do you expect me to be some sort of technical wizard? With knowledge of these 'cables'? Consoles are so much easier. You just pay the store you bought it from an obscene amount of money and they plug it on for you. PCs can't do that!

They do home setup for pcs too. I'm almost positive they've been doing it longer than consoles too.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Even those that are supported don't work very well. I was dying to play KOTOR again so I got the Xbox version but I couldn't go 5 minutes in the game without the 360 freezing up or the audio cutting out.

KotOR was a bitch to get working on 7 as well :lol

 

[Servizio]

I kinda want a comfy chair thread now. My computer chair is uncomfortable as fuck; I have worn out all the padding in it.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Lot's of PC fanboyism going on in this thread.

I get a chuckle at those trying to say it's trivial to hook up a computer to a TV. It's not easy - not easy enough for the types of people who don't visit Neogaf to bother trying to do it. Let's get real - if you visit Neogaf you're more interested in gaming than 90% of the world's population will ever be. You're motivated to do interesting things like hooking up your computer to a TV to play with a wireless KB/mouse (like that's comfortable on your lap?). You're going out of your way to do things that a "normal" person would never dream of doing. A normal person goes and buys a 360 and says "fuck that noise, that's way too much work" instead of doing all the things the PC diehards would do to play a game on their plasma TV.

You're giving a lot of grief to HorribleJames for no reason. He's right.

PC fanboyism? That's ridiculous... what is there to be a fanboy of? Windows? Steam?

Anyway, my 360, PS3 and PC are all hooked up to my TV via HDMI cables. How is any of those easier than the other to plug into the fucking television? Give me a break here...

And yeah, a keyboard on the lap is perfectly comfortable. Get a stack of books or something and a mouse pad and you can operate a mouse just fine, too.

 

[Interfectum]

but... I did stop. I already made my olive branch post. then I got led out into the weeds on this thing about the reliability of software. I find it surprising you guys won't even cede an inch on this -- PC games run just as reliably as console games. To me, this idea just sounds flat out zany. maybe fox news has some job openings for you guys.

HorribleJames
Banned

:lol

 

[EviLore]

Anyone else, while we're here and while the thread has already gone to shit? Big comfy couch? 5.1 surround sound? $10,000? HDTV? Gamepad? Patches? Bugs? Too busy failing at picking up women to figure out how to plug in a cable (figures...)? Let's hear it.

 

[Brofist]

Lot's of PC fanboyism going on in this thread.

I get a chuckle at those trying to say it's trivial to hook up a computer to a TV. It's not easy - not easy enough for the types of people who don't visit Neogaf to bother trying to do it. Let's get real - if you visit Neogaf you're more interested in gaming than 90% of the world's population will ever be. You're motivated to do interesting things like hooking up your computer to a TV to play with a wireless KB/mouse (like that's comfortable on your lap?). You're going out of your way to do things that a "normal" person would never dream of doing. A normal person goes and buys a 360 and says "fuck that noise, that's way too much work" instead of doing all the things the PC diehards would do to play a game on their plasma TV.

You're giving a lot of grief to HorribleJames for no reason. He's right.

Are you speaking for the "normal person" here or for yourself, because it seems more like the latter.

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

I had to change audio output to HDMI when i connected my PC to my TV, the horror !

 

[Zomba13]

HorribleJames
Banned

:lol

Oh wow, about time I guess.
Also, just wondering, what is a lay person? Is it someone who lies down a lot or something?

 

[coopolon]

i know right? Its physically impossible to play computer games from the comfort of a recliner or couch using a wireless keyboard and mouse. If only wireless technology would make its way to computers.. the person that did that would be a billionaire.

Just out of curiosity, what wireless keyboard and mouse are you guys using? I've tried nearly every one I can get my hands on, and none of them are reliable enough in fast paced games like FPS's. Right now I've got USB extension cables running my kb/m to my couch (it's not a huge problem, I just run them in the same wire cover as I run my speaker cable) but wireless would still be preferable.

Also, in regards to PC games being buggy and console games not. Right now my DRagon Age Origins is significantly less buggy then any version on a console, because a modder went out of his way to develop an incredibly comprehensive patch that fixed the myriad of bugs and glitches present in the most up to date Bioware patches. In fact, has Bioware even released the most recent patch for the console versions? Last time I checked they were still going through cert. That one fixed some major problems.

 

[WanderingWind]

Oh wow, about time I guess.
Also, just wondering, what is a lay person? Is it someone who lies down a lot or something?

Somebody who isn't really into something. Somebody who plays games, but probably doesn't own every system, doesn't get into arguments about pixels or whatever. A normal joe.

 

[JudgeN]

Are you speaking for the "normal person" here or for yourself, because it seems more like the latter.

As someone who works in IT and actually has to go to people desk and plug in keyboard/mice/power plugs for people at least once a day. I have to agree with him that "normal people" are really ignorant when it comes to PC and I can totally see them being confused simply due to their own perception. If only more people kept up with technology, my job would be much less frustrating :lol

 

[WanderingWind]

As someone who works in IT and actually has to go to people desk and plug in keyboard/mice/power plugs for people at least once a day. I have to agree with him that "normal people" are really ignorant when it comes to PC and I can totally see them being confused simply due to their own perception. If only more people kept up with technology, my job would be much less frustrating :lol

Yeah, but again. The game is called Dragon Age. I'm guessing the "Not technically retarded" and "People who would play a game with 'dragon' in the title" circles overlap quite a bit.

 

[ghst]

A normal person goes and buys a 360 and says "fuck that noise, that's way too much work" instead of doing all the things the PC diehards would do to play a game on their plasma TV.

let's not drag auto-aim into this.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

As someone who works in IT and actually has to go to people desk and plug in keyboard/mice/power plugs for people at least once a day. I have to agree with him that "normal people" are really ignorant when it comes to PC and I can totally see them being confused simply due to their own perception. If only more people kept up with technology, my job would be much less frustrating :lol

"Normal people" are really bad with technology in general and are the ones who hook up their ps3 to their LCD tv with composite cables because that's what the system came with.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Then again, the couch does support multiple cats. In a PC chair I can only have one cat on my lap at a time, and I have two cats.

:lol

This was even better than the meltdowns on the last page. If I could hug someone through the internet you'd be snuggled right about now.

 

[Snuggles]

Anyone else, while we're here and while the thread has already gone to shit? Big comfy couch? 5.1 surround sound? $10,000? HDTV? Gamepad? Patches? Bugs? Too busy failing at picking up women to figure out how to plug in a cable (figures...)? Let's hear it.

Carpal tunnel syndrome?

 

[Circle of Willis]

I work at IKEA all day and when I come home, I don't like to game in my living room because it reminds me too much of work.

 

[DigitalDevil]

Personally, I am not bothered by this anouncement... if anything it means the version I will play (console) will be more finely tuned than it was the last time around.

However, I completely understand why PC gamers are upset. If I still played primarily PC games, than I would want the isometric view as well and be upset at the reason Bioware is providing for "why" it won't be in the sequel. If I was still me circa 1997 I would be throwing a major hissy fit right now. But I'm not, so..... good for me? :lol

 

[TheUsual]

Exactly what it is. Nowhere near the same time given to the sequel as the first game, and they are significantly scaling back on the scope and features to make sure the game they deliver meets a base quality point.

I have no doubt the game will be good, but the first game set the standard for the series and they are probably not going to live up to it.

Not going to disagree with anything here, but how long was the development cycle for DAO? And DA2 is, what, 2 years?

 

[-tetsuo-]

I work at IKEA all day and when I come home, I don't like to game in my living room because it reminds me too much of work.

I see what you did there

 

[gillty]

Not going to disagree with anything here, but how long was the development cycle for DAO? And DA2 is, what, 2 years?

DA:O = 5 years
DA2 = ~1.5 years (possibly more if they were working on the game pre DAO release):lol

 

[Gully State]

So what exactly is good about DA2 at this point? I feel like everything I hear about this game even besides the gimping of the PC version is negative.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

So what exactly is good about DA2 at this point? I feel like everything I hear about this game even besides the gimping of the PC version is negative.

They be 'streamlining' shit and making edges even sharper!

 

[Safe Bet]

Also, just wondering, what is a lay person? Is it someone who lies down a lot or something?

~ "layman" or "layperson" is a person who is a non-expert in a given field of knowledge.

~ To put something in layman’s terms is to describe a complex or technical issue using words and terms that the average individual (someone without professional training in the subject area) can understand, so that they may comprehend the issue to some degree.

~ The term originally meant a member of the laity, i.e. a non-clergymen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layman

 

[Snuggles]

So what exactly is good about DA2 at this point? I feel like everything I hear about this game even besides the gimping of the PC version is negative.

Your guy is named Hawke. Pretty sweet name if you ask me.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

So what exactly is good about DA2 at this point? I feel like everything I hear about this game even besides the gimping of the PC version is negative.

I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

Some people don't like the idea of obvious intentions to answers you give, others are happy the guesswork (or interpretive work, I suppose) has been taken out of it.

Some people hate the new graphics, others think it looks better than the first game.

But we should remember that some people are overreactionary, others are contrarian for the sake of it.

Personally? The game pretty much lost me at "Nasty/Good/Badass" and I'm going to just ignore it until I try it for myself sometime down the line.

 

[Safe Bet]

Your guy is named Hawke. Pretty sweet name if you ask me.

Von Wolfe Hawke?

 

[CreativeWriter]

So what exactly is good about DA2 at this point? I feel like everything I hear about this game even besides the gimping of the PC version is negative.

The "framed story" concept probably allows for cool DLC/alt. history stuff, since we're getting a "storyteller's view" of events. There's plenty of room for reveals/surprises if Bioware wants to point out discrepancies in the Dwarf's telling and the canon. It also allows easy dismissal of non-canonical player choices as the series moves forward. Pretty clever solution. Or it could totally suck if players end up feeling like their choices are meaningless, since they don't reflect the reality of the game-world.

 

[Snuggles]

Von Wolfe Hawke?

Nah, I think he goes by Poochie.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

fucking consoles

seconded.

 

[brain_stew]

I work at IKEA all day and when I come home, I don't like to game in my living room because it reminds me too much of work.

A++ would read again. :lol

 

[TheLegendary]

Surprising that the console versions of Dragon Age outsold the PC version. If even PC centric game like Dragon Ageis pro-console skewed I wonder what the typical breakdown for a multiplatform release is.

Spoiler

Coming from a newly appointed member of the superior gaming race

 

[Dennis]

Surprising that the console versions of Dragon Age outsold the PC version.

Source please

Bioware themeselves have said they were surprised at the success on the PC...

 

[Brofist]

As someone who works in IT and actually has to go to people desk and plug in keyboard/mice/power plugs for people at least once a day. I have to agree with him that "normal people" are really ignorant when it comes to PC and I can totally see them being confused simply due to their own perception. If only more people kept up with technology, my job would be much less frustrating :lol

Oh no I agree that the average person isn't exactly tech minded, just that it seemed like he was channeling his own opinion though "normal people" that's all. If he thinks it too much effort, of an annoyance to play PC games I can understand.

I work at IKEA all day and when I come home, I don't like to game in my living room because it reminds me too much of work.

:lol now this is the kind of post this topic needs more of

 

[Lostconfused]

I think we can all agree that at least something good came of this thread. Because now I want to go and play The Witcher again.

 

[thetrin]

At this point in my life, I'm trying to figure out why people buy consoles to play games like Dragon Age and Modern Warfare.

I buy consoles to play exclusives. It just seems kind of dumb to play PC-centric games on a console.

 

[Lostconfused]

Modern Warfare.
It just seems kind of dumb to play PC-centric games on a console.

Uuuuuhhhh. Not the best example right there.

 

[TheLegendary]

Source please

Bioware themeselves have said they were surprised at the success on the PC...

[Mag] Why did you leave/forsake the "a la Baldur's gate" view on PC of the first Dragon Age?
[Mike Laidlaw]For budgetary reasons, we focused our work on a 3rd person view, that asks for very detailed and nice textures so that the player can admire the game with a close-up view. With an aerial view [isometric] we should cover much more ground and so create other textures. Now, the game mainly sold on console, so we're going the way of the audience"

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4376174/1

 

[Dennis]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4376174/1

But despite those concerns, the PC version of the game "is doing really, really well," he said, adding, "It was really a surprise."

"I think the market was always there," Melo said. "Perhaps the idea of taking a console game and porting it back to PC wasn't working, but something like this -- which was built first for a PC audience -- I think that’s really paid off."

Melo said digital distribution was also a key factor in the game's success on the PC. "That has helped quite a bit," he said. "It’s done very well on there."

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...stinguishing_PC_Console_Versions_Paid_Off.php

 

[gdt]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...stinguishing_PC_Console_Versions_Paid_Off.php

Saying the game's success on PC is "surprising" or "doing really, really well" does not in any way indicate that the PC SKU outsold the console versions. Either individually or grouped together.

 

[cartman414]

They do home setup for pcs too. I'm almost positive they've been doing it longer than consoles too.

I think he was being sarcastic there.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I think he was being sarcastic there.

I know.