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how many points does that give the pro compared to +3 FPS gains?
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PlayStation 4 Pro Reviews
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Jakartalado
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I'm not an expert.... but...
The resolution on BF1 can very a lot every second. That could be a simple case of different resolutions under the same Specs (Pro downclocked to the same GPU of PS4 OG and 16 units).
Keep it cool guys, and let's wait until the release of the console.
Fifa patch is also not available at the moment.
get2sammyb
Member
Just finished up my written review, too. Again, apologies for the delay, but hopefully you all enjoy the read:
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/11/hardware_review_ps4_pro_-_4king_amazing
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/11/hardware_review_ps4_pro_-_4king_amazing
Humdinger
Member
Mmm... the bullets, the leather strap, the reflections on the glove, the foliage in the left foreground. It's not a huge difference, but I can see it. I'm looking at a 900p monitor.
Electret
Member
18. 20 CUs are on the OG PS4 die with 2 deactivated.
MikeHaggar
Member
Don't be prematurely calling for bans now.
Right. Here we go. Tried to hit the share button at the exact same time on each console. Think the PS4 took it a split second before the Pro though.
PS4
PS4 Pro
Hadn't moved an inch, so not 100% sure why the positions are slightly different.
Have at it, GAF.
(edit: 2160p image was captured - https://abload.de/img/battlefield1_20161109z3kof.png)
if that is the difference for bf1 in pro mode then i'm going to be super disappointed. i figured dice would certainly bring something impressive technically. i happen to think frostbite is the nicest-looking engine being used today.
Jakartalado
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You know, it could be the dynamic resolution working on both images at the same GPU right?
BF1 also has a bug with that (can reach 160x110 resolution on PS4)
As I said, not an expert, but you know my point. The frame buffer is quiet unstabble while playing BF1. You can have very different results using the same PS4 on the same level.
dano1
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Pro patch isn't even out yet. Everything should look identical.
Electret
Member
Yeah, definitely. I was just being pedantic.
1080p/60 is all I care about.
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If we have to zoom way in to try to find discernible differences that's probably not good
No one knows what's up with the state of the Pro version. No patch has been released and Dice hasn't commented.
IF Battlefield1 still isn't patched (and that shouldn't be that difficult to find, just read the update history of the game) the only differences you'll find are probably due to the quality of the internal upscaler to 1080p. Maybe the Pro has a slightly better upscaler compared to the standard PS4?
Also can't people with Twitter simply ask Dice what's going on with their game and the Pro?
Also can't people with Twitter simply ask Dice what's going on with their game and the Pro?
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Bottom - PS4 Pro
Wow most disappoint Pro game yet but not surprised, it is Dice i will never buy another game from them after BF4 launch.
Still if they make a GOOD Pro Version i might reconsider that but looks like they won´t lol
chromatic9
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Looks like TAA and FXAA cleaning up the image.
Also if you look around like the visor you see next to no AA on OG PS4
There's nothing to be disappointed, since the game hasn't likely been patched yet.
What you see here is basically standard PS4 upscaler 900p to 1080p vs Pro upscaler doing the same thing.
It indeed seems a bit more clear but it's a very minor difference.
Mr Ice Chillin
Member
Fingers crossed hoping theres a patch coming because that difference is so minimal its not even worth mentioning.
Surely they can do better than that...
Surely they can do better than that...
Collateral22
Member
Is there a Pro patch even out yet? Looks like a res bump if anything.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Yup, but they've been slipping on that service for some time now.
Still no mention of impressions of the remote play improvements anywhere? I want to know whether the Pro improves on the 100+ms input latency limitations of the original design. With the current PS4, you can't get below ~100ms even on a PC with an ethernet-to-ethernet connection, and using 5ghz on the PC seems to break the streaming consistency such that it stutters every 10-15 seconds because its not buffering data properly (my network setup is optimal, trust me). I'd love to know that the Pro will allow me to play shooters at a more reasonable input latency, at least something closer to steam/nvidia streaming.
Brad Grenz
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Those viewing charts are total horseshit. When people actually do an experiment people easily see a benefit from 4K. 55" TVs at 9ft: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-resolution-201312153517.htm
Snellen acuity tests don't account for color, motion, emitted vs reflected light, etc, so you can't just do the math to determine when a resolution change is perceptible.
FarFromAnyGame
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The Pro is more than 300% the power of Xbox One and that's not enough! but a 50% increase is suddenly amazing?
The standard PS4 has 50% more power than the Xbox One, BTW.
Humdinger
Member
A few caveats: 1) they used two different TV sets, so you never know what uncontrolled variability that introduces; 2) they don't address whether HDR was controlled for (I'm assuming it was, but they don't mention it); and 3) they describe the differences as "not big."
Also, note that they chose that distance and TV size (55" and 9') because it was controversial, i.e., that's the range where expert opinion itself wasn't very clear.
I believe that when a variety of different experts all say pretty much the same thing, there is some truth to it. However, there is a range of opinions. I think some of the viewing distance tables are overly conservative. If you look at a bunch of them, not just one, and if you use them as a general guideline rather than 100% gospel truth, I think they are useful.
Beerman462
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As a primarily PC gamer the PS4 Pro doesn't entice me at all. My standard PS4 is enough to experience exclusives.
Brad Grenz
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There were no HDR sets back then (test is from 2013). The "Experts" don't say anything. The charts are all different. They're all untested mathematical extrapolations based on a false premise.
Same.
I'm willing to wait for PS5. Infact, i actually think it would have been more prudent for Sony to release an Xbox One S like upgrade, essentially keeping the hardware the same, just bringing out general support for HDMI 2.0 with 4K output support to 4K televisions, 4K media apps, HDR ect in the Slimline revision.
I still think they made the ecosystem segmented and more complicated needlessly with the Pro push. I don't think anyone invested in Playstation for the games coming up were that much clamoring for what Pro is offering before it was announced. I think they could have easily waited out another 3 years with the PS4 hardware how it orignally was.
With that being said, now that its hear, i think there's nothing wrong with a lot of people interested in what they are selling now.
ViolentP
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It makes me feel old every time I see someone say they think GAF is above this kind of thing.
bodine1231
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As a primarily PC gamer I always gotta have the best hardware available no matter the platform. I blame my PC side for this.
nycgamer4ever
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Those thinking that that graphics will be night and day between ps4 pro and scorpio will be surprised. it's only about 45% increase in power theoretically. Close to the 40% increase between xbox one and ps4.
WheelHoss1
Member
Man you couldn't be more wrong. I know tons of us have been dying inside a little every time a game like Witcher 3 comes out and all the reviews talk about PC version having far superior graphics. Can't wait to see what the Pro can do.
The PC will still have superior graphics, performance and resolution ceiling. Just like PC's always have had.
nycgamer4ever
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How do you know this. Can you read minds? I think it's a little on the arrogant side to assume you know what people need or want.
And how did they make the ecosystem segmented complicated. There isn't a game on PS4 Pro or any in the future that can't be played on regular PS4 and vice versa.
WheelHoss1
Member
Yea you really really don't get it. It's not about having exactly the same performance. It's about getting an upgrade without having to buy a PC which I have no interest in.
Just because the Pro isn't for you doesn't mean you have to pretend it's not a good move for many of us. And by the way it's pretty obvious by the contradictory nature of your post that you wish you had a Pro and a 4K HDR TV . . . like me
More like poster child of devs doing bare minimum?.
ViolentP
Member
He said that's what he thought, as in his opinion. And I personally believe library isn't the only unifying factor. Performance differences will have an effect on user mentality. While I applaud their foresight in keeping performance of the Pro in parity with the PS4 in multiplayer, one can't help think of the wasted potential of the added horsepower.
Ultimately, Sony is venturing into uncharted waters and they're making their decisions best they can with the little market research available to them. This will certainly be used to microsofts advantage come Scorpio.
This has been my biggest concern with the Pro/patch model. Seems results will always vary based on developer motivation.
-hadouken
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Well known DICE engineer (@_jjju_) suggests that it's likely under NDA. My guess is the Xbox marketing deal is keeping a lid on the details of the upcoming enhancements.
https://twitter.com/_jjju_/status/796145590706933760
Hawk269
Member
Yeah, me and my Titan X Pascal SLI system says the same damn thing. lol. With that said, picking up my PS4 Pro tomorrow evening and come this time next year my Scorpio.
Hawk269
Member
Regardless of the power of the PS4 Pro, PC will still have superior graphics, so your point is completely moot.
What I do say about this is that I know many console gamers that don't game on PC wanting a more powerful console. Amongst the people I speak with many will be getting the PRO due to this fact and then getting a Scorpio next year. No matter what, we will never see a home console that comes out that can outclass a PC. The 360 was able to do this for an extremely short amount of time where some games ran better or about the same as the best PC's at that time...those days are now gone...unless Sony or MS decide to throw cost to the wind and makes a monster home console.
-hadouken
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Nah, your point is completely moot.
Hawk269
Member
lmao...been a long day man...thanks for calling it out, I fixed it. lol
Damn. I guess we have to wait for tomorrow too see for ourselfs then
FarFromAnyGame
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WheelHoss1
Member
It's not moot at all. I'm not a nerd who cares if the Pro can run max settings whatever the fuck that means. I'm a musician with a 60" 4K HDR set who can't wait for Thursday and may not even be gaming if my career keeps going this well by the time Scorpio drops.
But clearly you know everything.
Hawk269
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You stated that people die a little when something like the Witcher 3 comes out and people talk about how much better the PC version is...that is still going to happen when Cyberpunk comes out, the PC version will be the best version. So not sure what your point is. We know what the specs are of the PS4 Pro are and in know way will games on the PRO out perform the same game on a PC.
But clearly you don't know what you are talking about.