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PlayStation 4 Pro Reviews
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PREC0GNITIVE
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My Pro ships today! So excited! 
will be nice to have a PS4 that can restart lol.
Can't wait for the Pro BF1 patch. Do we know when this lands? Or should I expect it with the BF1 mid-nov balance patch?
will be nice to have a PS4 that can restart lol. Can't wait for the Pro BF1 patch. Do we know when this lands? Or should I expect it with the BF1 mid-nov balance patch?
Yo, who is happy about getting a new console this week
It is with a tinge of sadness for me. Mine will arrive mere hours before I have to go to London for work for 4 days. But then at least I have 12 off and a new 4kTV to play with as well
Yo, who is happy about getting a new console this week
funny enough I finally caved and ordered an XB1S this week too so I'm getting TWO new consoles this week
OMG. Make a thread! Quickly. PS4 Pro boost performance in some games without a fucking patch!
Awesome! Buy a third one too.
Yo, who is happy about getting a new console this week
I am!
Got my X800D 43 Inch
Got my Ikea Poang Chair and Ottoman
Entertainment stand is set and waiting for the Pro for fulfill it's spot!
I cannot wait!
Awesome
twice the happiness! Need someone doing that and getting a NES classic for three times Reviews seem to align with my own views that as a current PS4 owner [two systems no less] this upgrade isn't offering enough at present for its asking price.
Hopefully some new patches come for existing titles plus impressive upgrades for upcoming ones before Scorpio arrives because it'll be an even harder sale then.
Hopefully some new patches come for existing titles plus impressive upgrades for upcoming ones before Scorpio arrives because it'll be an even harder sale then.
There may as well not be a difference. Is there a difference?
I'll wait for EA/DICE to reveal what they are actually going to do.
Yautja_Warrior
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Yo, who is happy about getting a new console this week
Yeah I'm looking forward to it, not quite next gen levels of excitement, I mean its still a PS4 but playing games at 4k or near 4k quality (depending on the game) on my 55 inch 4k TV is going to be great and any extra graphical or performance enhancements are a bonus too.
Lord Error
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There was a precedent for this on PS platform though. PS1 emulation on PS2 had a texture filtering option, that when enabled would warn the user that it could have negative consequences on a game. If you're worried about your sibling ruining things, they can already do that in far worse way, by overwriting your game save for example, or selecting some wrong video or audio option etc.
I meant just release the beta firmware with this option enabled, and let people test games and report back on playstation beta forum. You'd have people doing free work and literally cheering for it.
One way in which they are clearly flexible is that they can be loaded from any stock hard drive, and load at differing speeds. So the game needs to be programmed flexibly enough to not expect the data to come in after exactly X seconds after the loading started, or else it crashes. PS1 games were often times built in such a way that they would rely tightly on the disc loading speed for example, but that is no longer the case with new console games. XbOS offers another example - yes the improvement is small, but it universally works without breaking anything. On Sony front you had PSP where the games universally ran better on a custom firmware when you enabled 333MHz clock. I'm not aware a single game caused any problems, so it's not like I expect by default that Sony's dev tools are extremely rigid about this. On a PS4 front I am similarly only hoping they would enable the 900Hz GPU upclock and 2.1GHz CPU upclock, not actually enable the additional CUs in GPU.
Again, to me this all seems like such a no-brainer that the only reason I can think for Sony not making any moves on this front is that they know that doing this would discourage developers making proper patch, so they don't want to do it this early in the console life.
Unknown?
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Why? Scorpio will be EXACTLY the same. Old games will need support and they've been quite clear that they are allowing devs to choose how they want to use the power. Literally the same thing, you just romanticized that console around some idea in your head.
Sony stated that BF1 was one of the titles that will have Pro-patch/support from Day 1 aka thursday. So they better hurry up.
Mick Swagger
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His development techniques are non existent as he basically downplayed not knowing much about the adjusted low level APIs. Yet everyone who didn't agree with him just "wouldn't understand development!"
I agree completely but there's a way to politely downplay that. I had my expectations in check in regards to older titles but I understand why anyone who is a consumer would expect XBO:XBOS to equate to PS4
S4P. The ignorance primarily lies on Sonys lack of information, even certain reviewers / journalists are confused. Keeping the same primary numerical digit doesn't help if you're trying to sell it as a more powerful version for the current gen yet have no explicit improvements for older titles. Regardless, PS4P on the way. PS4 already sold. Too amped for PSVR improvements primarily.
OH stop it, we all know Microsoft will give scorpio away to all current owners, Microsoft loves their fans so much and they do this out of enjoyment and good will, they would never try to profit or exploit their fans like Sony.
They will also go thru the backlog of all old games 1st and 3rd party and redo them to native 4k/60fps.
Even for those not owning a xbox one, you will be able to buy the scorpio for 199 and slim will of course go away since they replaced all the slims for free in the world ( us/uk )
I could go on.
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Mr Ice Chillin
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I'm looking at the pics and really want to see a difference...but I see no difference.
There's no patch yet, so it shouldn't be any difference.
But there's a minimal difference
Mr Ice Chillin
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I guess I'll just have to see it uncompressed and in motion on my own TV to know for sure...but with those Titanfall shots in the other thread the difference was clear as day.
bananafactory
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Checkerboard Render
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Fair enough. However, two points:
1) That filtering option however is a very small change. That's all it did.
2) That was an issue of backwards compatibility on a new generation. I believe there's a reasonable expectation for a mid-cycle variant of the same generation to just run your game without pestering the gamer with warning dialogs. Games you bought just a week before you got your Pro should just run.
How long would that take - and would it actually be possible - to verify that the beta participants had actually tested the games thoroughly enough? Who would be held legally responsible if there are game breaking bugs not discovered by this public beta test?
I mean it comes to a point with all these schemes that you might as well just leave it up to the people who really know their game will not be affected - the developers, and have them release a patch if it's a relatively trivial process.
Somewhat less-than-minor qualifier there. Wasn't anything officially supported by Sony.
No one is saying that there is an inherent, fundamental technology hurdle that prevents this from working, even in the majority of cases. The argument is that the potential for issues and the workarounds to avoid these invokes more hassle than what Sony is apparently comfortable with vs. just allowing devs to make the patch themselves, especially when forcing devs to do that gives the chance of actually exhibiting some more tangible differences.
Or you take what Cerney said at face value. They tested it, and found enough instances where they didn't think the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. It could have meant only a small handful of games exhibited issues, Sony has to manage the perception of compatibility with a new device that is designed to complement the platform rather than replace it. People aren't inherently rational creatures and research the actual % chance of something not working with a new version of a product - they hear there are potential compatibility concerns, and that negative impression can snowball.
Storm Gray XB1S out for delivery today, PS4 Pro on Thursday, wife out of town this weekend. awwyiss
As I said from the get-go, in my written and video reviews, the differences are subtle, but they're there.
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if that's how you interpet his posts, that's on you
#sorrynotsorry
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It's not about the power. It's about games not really taking advantage of it. Maybe moving forward they will, but many games won't moving backwards. And even when they do, the focus is on 4K which won't benefit me until it comes to smaller TVs at affordable prices with HDR.
I know Scorpio is in danger of repeating this. That's why I'm worried. It's very possible I end up buying neither.
I'm a hardcore gamer by any reasonable definition. This should appeal to me. If it doesn't, Sony or MS have done something wrong. It definitely won't appeal to the general public if they can't catch all of us with a hardcore product.
Robot Pants
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Disappointed in Uncharted. That should have been THE game to showcase this stuff.
Marty Chinn
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Heh if serious, why wouldn't you wait for one of the big Black Friday deals on one? Dell's got an amazing one. I'm sure they won't be the only deal in town either.
Always-honest
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Right. I've had enough of being called a liar by people publicly and privately. These are uncompressed PNG screenshots of the 40mb/s video that we exported before uploading to YouTube. Battlefield 1. On PS4 Standard and PS4 Pro.
Tell me there isn't a difference.
That's a difference. You're right
- I really wanted the storm gray model
- the bundle comes with BF1 + another free game that I plan to sell to recoup the costs
that was a good enough deal for me
also, did you think I wasn't serious? do I have that impression on GAF?
As I said from the get-go, in my written and video reviews, the differences are subtle, but they're there.
So, that's a without any patch or what?
Always-honest
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That's the question.
Was it allready on the disc or is this what the Pro does to standard games (they said that wouldn't be the case.)
Primethius
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If the Pro patch doesn't fix the BF1 performance issues, it might as well not exist.
Checkerboard Render
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It's entirely possible it might not, if you're talking about the issues with conquest performance with 64 players. That might be a CPU barrier and the small mhz uptick might not be enough to get it back within 60fps.
There's not been any patches for it for a good week or so, if I recall.
If people really want to, I'll upload the whole of the uncompressed video review to Mega or something, it's about 2.5GB though
Primethius
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The game just had general performance issues in all modes, but more noticeable in the larger player count ones. A solid 60 FPS is what I'm hoping for.
Miggytronz
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A lot of people claiming without. Man I'm losing my mind!!! DICE say something!!!!!
This is all so weird and confusing. If that's BF1 running with a patch then, as much as I hate to say it, pre-order canceled.
Edit: Now hoping the differences in those shots is due to the dynamic resolution and all the post-processing.
Primethius
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I think the patch is probably on the disk. Don't see how you get a res bump which is what seems to be the case.
PaulKersey
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My guess is the extra GPU power is just keeping it at 1080p without a patch and that is why it looks different? I dunno.
Mr Ice Chillin
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If you don't mind doing it I would really appreciate it.
You're the only person who has both the console and the game that is actually interacting with people about them.
Much appreciated.
Always-honest
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preorder cancelled for BF1 or the Pro? Because a lot of games already show much bigger improvements. Have you seen/ downloaded the Ratchet and Clank vids on gamersyde?
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_ratche...-18526_en.html
That went from a jaggy game to a pixar movie in 1080p
We'll know on thursday for sure. I wonder why we can't get any confirmation from Dice. They can't be under some NDA right? Since other developers have talked about their patches.
Primethius
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How's the performance in MP if you've gotten the chance to try it out?
It might just be the marketing deal since it's fairly close to the BF1 launch still.
Cool, it's uploading now, be about 45 mins. Edit - hahahahaha, maybe that was a bit optimistic. It's gonna take a while, but I'll post the link when done.
Not had a chance yet, been elbow deep in everything else I've gotta get recorded for comparisons etc!
mckmas8808
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It's not on the disc. EA has never said it was.
Checkerboard Render
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I think something simpler - just uncompressed png screenshots from the same location on each system.
Marty Chinn
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Not usually, but you have been a little "fuck it, I'll just screw with people a little" the last few days =)
yeah, I thought after a certain date all released games had to have the pro version included (on the disk)