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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development

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ReyVGM

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NX needs to at least be between Xbox One to PS4 in power and features(including a large HDD, not that bs 32 GB crap) though more power would be preferable to help it be future proof against ps4k and x1.5.

Don't expect a hard drive honestly. It will have static memory just like a smartphone, which is much more stable. It's better to just buy any hard drive you want and connect it to the console.

Ideally it would have a hard drive, a static one even, but that's not gonna happen.
 

daakusedo

Member
10k was reporting here on a lot of the past reddit rumours without discarding them immediatly (which personally i did), and we saw that reddit got nothing legit in the end.

So if possible, I would like to know how you feel about those sources you're getting from twitter? Do you treat them openly like the reddit ones or have solid evidence they know their stuff?
 

atbigelow

Member
Don't expect a hard drive honestly. It will have static memory just like a smartphone, which is much more stable. It's better to just buy any hard drive you want and connect it to the console.

Ideally it would have a hard drive, a static one even, but that's not gonna happen.

I'm fully expecting USB3 ports on whatever Nintendo comes out with. I don't think Nintendo will easily forget how fucking slow everything about the Wii U is. When they bring it up in a Nintendo Direct, you know it's bad.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
NX needs to at least be between Xbox One to PS4 in power and features(including a large HDD, not that bs 32 GB crap) though more power would be preferable to help it be future proof against ps4k and x1.5.
This is the region I'm expecting as well. They'll want to be able to safely get UE4 running with the number of Japanese studios using it but I think they would rather spend money on CPU/RAM and other stuff instead of a GPU.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
NX needs to at least be between Xbox One to PS4 in power and features(including a large HDD, not that bs 32 GB crap) though more power would be preferable to help it be future proof against ps4k and x1.5.

Why exactly? Power matters more for home consoles than for handhelds. You have a more dedicated base that are willing to invest more for a PC like experience. Not just fans mind you, buy devs too who want to port games easily and work on consoles with enough power to make their games come out just like they envisioned.
Nintendo needs all the 3rd party support it can get, so having NX to be relatively equal in power and features to its competitors is crucial and one of the most important things. I don't think Nintendo can emulate Wii console sales again, and even they sold the most consoles, the attachment rate of games were lowest among gamers.

Man this is so weird for Nintendo to release a new console mid Gen.. If PS5 and X2 get released in 3-4 years, Nintendo will be playing catch up. They forever changed the pace.

Am I the only one who wants an HDD-less base model that I can just shove a 2.5" HDD into? They can include 64GB of NAND flash in very system for just $15, and that should be enough for starters. Then we can just buy an HDD or reuse an old one.

10k was reporting here on a lot of the past reddit rumours without discarding them immediatly (which personally i did), and we saw that reddit got nothing legit in the end.

So if possible, I would like to know how you feel about those sources you're getting from twitter? Do you treat them openly like the reddit ones or have solid evidence they know their stuff?

I miss the Reddit fakers. They were fun. :(

NX needs to at least be between Xbox One to PS4 in power and features(including a large HDD, not that bs 32 GB crap) though more power would be preferable to help it be future proof against ps4k and x1.5.

Why exactly? Power matters more for home consoles than for handhelds. You have a more dedicated base that are willing to invest more for a PC like experience. Not just fans mind you, buy devs too who want to port games easily and work on consoles with enough power to make their games come out just like they envisioned.
Nintendo needs all the 3rd party support it can get, so having NX to be relatively equal in power and features to its competitors is crucial and one of the most important things. I don't think Nintendo can emulate Wii console sales again, and even they sold the most consoles, the attachment rate of games were lowest among gamers.

Man this is so weird for Nintendo to release a new console mid Gen.. If PS5 and X2 get released in 3-4 years, Nintendo will be playing catch up. They forever changed the pace.

I'm hoping that Sony and MS make this a 7-year gen and that Nintendo only "catches up" one year later. That should be fine for them from a competitive standpoint if they make sure that they have the fastest console as a result.
 

10k

Banned
10k was reporting here on a lot of the past reddit rumours without discarding them immediatly (which personally i did), and we saw that reddit got nothing legit in the end.

So if possible, I would like to know how you feel about those sources you're getting from twitter? Do you treat them openly like the reddit ones or have solid evidence they know their stuff?
The only one that wasn't solid was Mercury Steam.
 

RagnarokX

Member
NX needs to at least be between Xbox One to PS4 in power and features(including a large HDD, not that bs 32 GB crap) though more power would be preferable to help it be future proof against ps4k and x1.5.

Why exactly? Power matters more for home consoles than for handhelds. You have a more dedicated base that are willing to invest more for a PC like experience. Not just fans mind you, buy devs too who want to port games easily and work on consoles with enough power to make their games come out just like they envisioned.
Nintendo needs all the 3rd party support it can get, so having NX to be relatively equal in power and features to its competitors is crucial and one of the most important things. I don't think Nintendo can emulate Wii console sales again, and even they sold the most consoles, the attachment rate of games were lowest among gamers.

Man this is so weird for Nintendo to release a new console mid Gen.. If PS5 and X2 get released in 3-4 years, Nintendo will be playing catch up. They forever changed the pace.
Eh, it's not that odd. If NX releases this year it would only be 1 year short of old 5 year standard. It will be less powerful than the other 9th generation consoles that will eventually be released, but Nintendo will be content with their consoles competing with the prior gen out of step.

That is, to say, if MS hasn't also decided to launch the XBox 1.5 as a new console rather than an upgrade.

NES -> SNES (1985 -> 1990) 5 years
SNES -> N64 (1990 -> 1996) 6 years
N64 -> GCN (1996 -> 2001) 5 years
GCN -> Wii (2001 -> 2006) 5 years
Wii -> Wii U (2006 -> 2012) 6 years
Wii U -> NX (2012 -> 2016) 4 years

So while it's the shortest gap between Nintendo consoles, it's only 1 year shorter than their usual cycle.
 
Don't expect a hard drive honestly. It will have static memory just like a smartphone, which is much more stable. It's better to just buy any hard drive you want and connect it to the console.

Ideally it would have a hard drive, a static one even, but that's not gonna happen.

Honestly, not only are they likely to do this, this is the best thing for consumers. External solutions are cheap and good for consumers, where as different hard drive models complicate retail, and generally claim a high premium without justification (compare the price of a 1TB PS4 to 500GB, then compare stand alone hard drive prices)
 
Am I the only one who wants an HDD-less base model that I can just shove a 2.5" HDD into? They can include 64GB of NAND flash in very system for just $15, and that should be enough for starters. Then we can just buy an HDD or reuse an old one.



I miss the Reddit fakers. They were fun. :(



I'm hoping that Sony and MS make this a 7-year gen and that Nintendo only "catches up" one year later. That should be fine for them from a competitive standpoint if they make sure that they have the fastest console as a result.

If its more powerful than the PS4 and it isn't $400, I can tolerate a 64GB SSD(unless Nintendo forces gamers to download games). But then I'd have to go through the hassle of buying one.. But most of all, how would consumers think? Sony and Microsoft gamers were pretty much set with 500GB-1TB hard drives. You don't think it would alienate people(the less hardcore would buy NX regardless) from buying the NX, if it was so low?

Something tells me Nintendo won't shaft us too hard on the Hard drive issue. I could see them using SSD again. SSD is so much cheaper now than it was 4 years ago. If they have two SKUs like the Wii U, I wouldn't mind that.

Anyway.. Do you guys think Nintendo is gonna force gamers to download their games now like Sony and Microsoft? I hope not..
 
Don't expect a hard drive honestly. It will have static memory just like a smartphone, which is much more stable. It's better to just buy any hard drive you want and connect it to the console.

Ideally it would have a hard drive, a static one even, but that's not gonna happen.


Anyonw know what sort of price was 32gb flash when the wii U launched? And how much could Nintendo get for a similar price now?
 

beril

Member
Don't expect a hard drive honestly. It will have static memory just like a smartphone, which is much more stable. It's better to just buy any hard drive you want and connect it to the console.

Ideally it would have a hard drive, a static one even, but that's not gonna happen.

They need a HDD if they use discs though, because optical discs are just too slow for modern games. Unless I'm mistaken both PS4 and Xbox One (I only own one physical PS4 game) require installation. Nintendo kindof even started going that route with the rather weird solution in Xenoblade X. They can't force people to install 20-50 GB games and not include a decent sized harddrive.

But I say go with carts, no disc drive, no HDD, just enough internal flash memory for some DLC, patches and indie games, and cut down the cost and size of the console considerably.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
If its more powerful than the PS4 and it isn't $400, I can tolerate a 64GB SSD(unless Nintendo goes all digital). But then I'd have to go through the hassle of buying one.. But most of all, how would consumers think? Sony and Microsoft gamers were pretty much set with 500GB-1TB hard drives. You don't think it would alienate people from buying the NX, if it was so low?

Something tells me Nintendo won't shaft us too hard on the Hard drive issue. I could see them using SSD again. SSD is so much cheaper now than it was 4 years ago. A 250 GB SSD from Samsung at amazon can be bought for less than $90. Also, seagate has a 2TBsolid state hybrid hard drive(SSHD) for $90 at amazon(1TB at $70), which is barely slower than an SSD. o_O
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EIQTKAS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I'm thinking more along the lines of a very cheap basic pack with 64GB and a more expensive pro pack with a game and 64GB NAND + 1TB replaceable HDD.

BY the way, does anybody know why PS4 didn't just use SATA III? If Nintendo uses SATA III, that would be a nice advantage over PS4. You can buy 1TB SSDs for ~$200 now, and likely $150 a year from now. SATA III is totally worth it.
 
While you guys should feel free to speculate how NX can use a Polaris or a 14nm (or whatever) It's probably not wise to expect anything more than a PS4-level machine.
I think it could be feasible for Nintendo. Making a premium machine and a low end machine could help them maximize their audience instead of just reaching for the low end with two different machines that the average low end consumer probably couldn't afford anyways.
The handheld likely being cheaper (~199) would allow them that big reach and if the shared library is a thing even if one fails they can continue to support both.
Making a powerful device could also do wonders repairing their image after the Wii U/Wii where people expect the bare minimum as well...but it's probably best to expect the bare minimum.

On the topic of HD space:
If they go with cartridges they can save a ton of space by not needing installs for everything making a 500GB HD be more usable than a 1TB on the PS4.
While HD space has never been a big selling point to me, it seems like a lot of people value it for one reason or another so I'm not sure it would be easy to convince consumers that they're getting less but it's actually more.
 

tr1p1ex

Member
The more these rumors come out the more they aren't believable.

A dummy controller that plays games anywhere thru wifi hotspots just won't work. That's an easy one to dismiss. See all the cloud gaming initiatives that have gone nowhere. They have gone nowhere because there's just too much lag to make it an enjoyable experience. This rumor is actually laughable.


Plus you take that rumor and add > PS4 power you start to see a pricepoint that would be very unappealing. Another red flag.

Not to mention the worst sales of any console NIntendo has released was the Wii U and yet the notion Nintendo is going to double down on that. That's difficult to believe.

Also the Nintendo CEO has said it's a brand new concept. There's nothing brand new about the concept of playing console games on a dummy controller because that is exactly what the Wii U did. Yes another red flag.
 
Anyonw know what sort of price was 32gb flash when the wii U launched? And how much could Nintendo get for a similar price now?

I'm guessing its the amount as 128GB SSD is now VS 32GB 4 years ago. You can get $128GB for $40 now easily. 1TB SSDs are going for well over $200 on Amazon.

SSHD(solid state hybrid drives) are much cheaper than SSDs and are "in between" SSD and regular hard drives. They are much closer in speed to SSD than regular HDs apparently. You can get a 1TB SD from Seagate for as low as $70 on amazon.
 

HarryKS

Member
Slightly or on par with PS4 ain't gonna work. Gonna end up like the Wii U. It's mostly the fans who like to talk about it+ slight interest because of the mystery surrounding it. If there's no compelling gimmick, it's dead on arrival.
 
How is that range measured?

If I recall correctly, LCGeek stated that his source/friend got it from a credible benchmark.

Anyway, the type of leaks for the NX is actually different from what we were getting for the Wii U. For the Wii U, we had information from a document that Nintendo gave to devs. The issue with this that the information was vague on details (modified R700 with no details or given clockspeed = ?? Performance) and the CPU tidbit was either outdated or dead wrong. Later on, all chaos broke loose when devs began to complain about the performance of the Wii U, and their info didn't match the info of that document.

For the NX, we still don't have a solid leak about the architecture of the machine, but we are getting a lot of source that implied that at least some of the components are > PS4. So, instead of us deciphering tidbits from changlogs, dev documents and PR talk like in the Wii U thread, we are going in reverse; we just have a possible range. We are focusing on looking at component combinations that can achieve that range of performance and still be something Nintendo would actually do.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
While you guys should feel free to speculate how NX can use a Polaris or a 14nm (or whatever) It's probably not wise to expect anything more than a PS4-level machine.
I think it could be feasible for Nintendo. Making a premium machine and a low end machine could help them maximize their audience instead of just reaching for the low end with two different machines that the average low end consumer probably couldn't afford anyways.
The handheld likely being cheaper (~199) would allow them that big reach and if the shared library is a thing even if one fails they can continue to support both.
Making a powerful device could also do wonders repairing their image after the Wii U/Wii where people expect the bare minimum as well...but it's probably best to expect the bare minimum.

On the topic of HD space:
If they go with cartridges they can save a ton of space by not needing installs for everything making a 500GB HD be more usable than a 1TB on the PS4.
While HD space has never been a big selling point to me, it seems like a lot of people value it for one reason or another so I'm not sure it would be easy to convince consumers that they're getting less but it's actually more.

I'm expecting, at worst, pretty much a copy of the PS4 APU except with all 20CUs enabled, making it 10% faster than PS4. Any less, and they're intentionally trying to make it weak. That shouldn't be the case. Also, I don't think that the shared library is a good idea. It seems like a lot of the things that people love about the idea aren't actually possible or feasible.
 
I'm expecting, at worst, pretty much a copy of the PS4 APU except with all 20CUs enabled, making it 10% faster than PS4. Any less, and they're intentionally trying to make it weak. That shouldn't be the case. Also, I don't think that the shared library is a good idea. It seems like a lot of the things that people love about the idea aren't actually possible or feasible.
Aren't iOS games easily ported to several iOS devices?
 

Zoon

Member
The more I hear the more I keep thinking that the dummy controller will be the actual NX and the "home console" will be the optional SCD.

They can price the dummy controller around 100$ and have every NX game available to it through cloud.

Alternatively, you could get the home console to play the games on your TV with a normal controller.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
Slightly or on par with PS4 ain't gonna work. Gonna end up like the Wii U. It's mostly the fans who like to talk about it+ slight interest because of the mystery surrounding it. If there's no compelling gimmick, it's dead on arrival.

That's the million dollar question, isn't it? What gimmick could they implement that would actually sell "PS/XB gamers" on a Nintendo console?

People talk about performance and multiplats but those aren't going to do it - at best their mindshare might not be complete shit but it's still not going to directly result in sales. Not to mention it wouldn't be hard for them to price themselves out of the market with the "best performance" approach - nobody outside the most diehard Nintendo fans are going to spend $400 on a Nintendo console.

I don't really have any ideas. Basically have my ticket for the Doomed Train already, but they are a lot more likely to come up with something than I am. Especially since the entire future of their business model is basically riding on this.
 

10k

Banned
While you guys should feel free to speculate how NX can use a Polaris or a 14nm (or whatever) It's probably not wise to expect anything more than a PS4-level machine.
I think it could be feasible for Nintendo. Making a premium machine and a low end machine could help them maximize their audience instead of just reaching for the low end with two different machines that the average low end consumer probably couldn't afford anyways.
The handheld likely being cheaper (~199) would allow them that big reach and if the shared library is a thing even if one fails they can continue to support both.
Making a powerful device could also do wonders repairing their image after the Wii U/Wii where people expect the bare minimum as well...but it's probably best to expect the bare minimum.

On the topic of HD space:
If they go with cartridges they can save a ton of space by not needing installs for everything making a 500GB HD be more usable than a 1TB on the PS4.
While HD space has never been a big selling point to me, it seems like a lot of people value it for one reason or another so I'm not sure it would be easy to convince consumers that they're getting less but it's actually more.
If they go with cartridges they should put 64GB of flash memory for dlc installs and OS updates and allow all external storage.
 

ozfunghi

Member
I don't really have any ideas. Basically have my ticket for the Doomed Train already, but they are a lot more likely to come up with something than I am. Especially since the entire future of their business model is basically riding on this.

You had that ticket preordered, didn't you?
 
That's the million dollar question, isn't it? What gimmick could they implement that would actually sell "PS/XB gamers" on a Nintendo console?

People talk about performance and multiplats but those aren't going to do it - at best their mindshare might not be complete shit but it's still not going to directly result in sales. Not to mention it wouldn't be hard for them to price themselves out of the market with the "best performance" approach - nobody outside the most diehard Nintendo fans are going to spend $400 on a Nintendo console.

I don't really have any ideas. Basically have my ticket for the Doomed Train already, but they are a lot more likely to come up with something than I am. Especially since the entire future of their business model is basically riding on this.

They'll likely have a gimmick alright, but I'm worried how much price it will tack on on top of the specs. The gimmick will more than likely force an underpowered console. I can't imagine anything powerful than PS4, if the gimmick is gonna cost them at least $100 like the gamepad in 2012 for the WIi U. Just getting that fine balance between having a gimmick and a powerful console, and willing to take a loss at day 1 per console sold. /:

Sony ended up playing their cards right by not having any real gimmick at launch. Microsoft screwed themselves by forcing kinect and having it $100 more expensive than Sony, which sure as hell helped spurred sales for PS4(along with a more powerful hardware). However ,I've been so used to Nintendo's gimmicks for the past 2 generations, its gonna feel weird without one, and its just gonna be another console, with the only difference being nintendo exclusives. /:

That's the million dollar question, isn't it? What gimmick could they implement that would actually sell "PS/XB gamers" on a Nintendo console?

People talk about performance and multiplats but those aren't going to do it - at best their mindshare might not be complete shit but it's still not going to directly result in sales. Not to mention it wouldn't be hard for them to price themselves out of the market with the "best performance" approach - nobody outside the most diehard Nintendo fans are going to spend $400 on a Nintendo console.

I don't really have any ideas. Basically have my ticket for the Doomed Train already, but they are a lot more likely to come up with something than I am. Especially since the entire future of their business model is basically riding on this.

By all means its good to not expect too much from Nintendo so you don't get your dreams crushed, but you sound like you're giving up already. /:
 

10k

Banned
How idealistic is this?

This sounds too good to be true.
Ideally it's possible. Polaris is very scalable. But nintendo will likely go for lower clock speeds and such, bringing it closer to stock PS4 than a PS4K. But the source said because Sony is stuck with its APU, all they can really do is make it on 14nm and up the clocks some more, but it's feature set won't have GCN 1.2 or 1.3, the PDA, or other benefits of Polaris.

So Nintendo has the potential to do more with NX simply because it has the newest generation of gpu. Whether Nintendo takes advantage of that, is up to them.

Only way PS4K matches those features is if they use a new APU, which would be asinine as that would make it a PS5 and abandon the PS4 completely.

You had that ticket preordered, didn't you?
He lined up for seven months outside to preorder that ticket :p
 

Bert

Member
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Sorry but I'm not buying any of these NX rumors.

NeoGAF really, really need to walk back their excitement.

I think you're being worked worse then a WWE crowd.

You can go to jail for breaking NDAs. There's no way developers are letting
things get out like specs, etc. At most, a few small things may be legit but other
pranksters are jumping in muddying the waters with outlandish claims.

For example, there's no way on Earth I see a Nintendo launching at a loss. They've always made positive money on their hardware launches. Heck, it's pretty much one of their philosophies.

As for system power, Nintendo has repeatedly said they don't see themselves in console
wars with MS or Sony. For the NX to be more powerful than a PS4 and possibly on par with a PS4K while still selling at an affordable price....I just don't see it.

Fair warning Nintendo fans. Dial back your expectations big time. Better to be surprised then let down.

All consoles leak.

You can't go to jail for breaking an NDA.

Nintendo have sold consoles at a loss as recently as the start of this last gen.

It's 3 years since the PS4 launched, of course you can match it or beat it and still be affordable. We don't know what the PS4k is so it's silly to throw that in there. There's a good chance that won't be affordable or won't be as powerful as some are thinking.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
Aren't iOS games easily ported to several iOS devices?

They're not ported. iOS uses higher level APIs than what you'll typically see in a console, so most apps are backward and forward compatible. For games, the graphics API isn't super high-level, so Nintendo could take a similar approach and have everything work just fine. That's not the point, though. The point is that Nintendo would always need to target the handheld, which means that the same would apply to third-parties. I see people getting hyped about FFXV on a handheld, but in reality it wouldn't happen. it's just too much extra work. Either Nintendo would give the option for third-parties to not support the handheld, or they won't get third-party support outside of graphically simple games and indies. It would also basically limit Nintendo to making games with graphics not much better than Wii U other than some added effects and AA. Then we have the pricing issue which has been mentioned here before.

It's more likely that Nintendo is using nearly identical APIs that remove most or all of the porting work for engines and mean that devs only have to work on assets. This is basically the same thing, except that you can't buy one game and play it on both and that the console would have more exclusives.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
You had that ticket preordered, didn't you?

More or less, lol.

I hate it though, because a Nintendo that gives up on consoles is also inevitably going to shift to a much more conservative development model that will kill the games from them I actually like (see: Sega). At least as far as my interests go, there is a lot more riding on NX than just Nintendo making consoles.
 

Bert

Member
The more I hear the more I keep thinking that the dummy controller will be the actual NX and the "home console" will be the optional SCD.

They can price the dummy controller around 100$ and have every NX game available to it through cloud.

Alternatively, you could get the home console to play the games on your TV with a normal controller.

If at all technically possible, I think this would be a great idea. That's a big if though.
 
It's 3 years since the PS4 launched, of course you can match it or beat it and still be affordable. We don't know what the PS4k is so it's silly to throw that in there. There's a good chance that won't be affordable or won't be as powerful as some are thinking.

Most definitely, but this isn't counting Nintendo's gimmick to differentiate themselves from the competition. Depending on how expensive the gimmick is, Nintendo is gonna have to scale the power. I'm mostly wondering if Nintendo will actually be willing to take a loss per console sold like Sony did at launch with PS4.

BTW, does anyone know if PS4 is being sold at a profit now?
 

nikatapi

Member
Not getting hyped after Wii U. They have to earn my hype again.

To be honest this is where i stand. Even though i love my WiiU i still think that some stupid hardware design choices (along with the atrocious naming and marketing) destined it to fail.

And to be honest i'm much more curious about the handheld at this point. Will it drop the dual screens? The 3D?
 

Rodin

Member
What if Nintendo actually went Polaris 14nm for perfect forward compatibility with the future NX generations... but they had to use a slower GPU to balance costs, and this thing ends up being below Xbox One? :p

The handheld being in 2017 would line up nicely with zen. A zen+Polaris handheld for 2017. Whew.

Zen in a handheld?
 

Zoon

Member
If at all technically possible, I think this would be a great idea. That's a big if though.

That's why I think Japan will get the dummy controller first while the west gets the home console.

Also, don't forget about that 10-12 million NXs sold in the first year. They wouldn't expect to sell 10 million units if it costed 300$+ , would they?
 

10k

Banned
What if Nintendo actually went Polaris 14nm for perfect forward compatibility with the future NX generations... but they had to use a slower GPU to balance costs, and this thing ends up being below Xbox One? :p



Zen in a handheld?
Yes, it's 14nm and highly scalable. The low TDP is right in Nintendo's ballpark.
 

Terrell

Member
I think you must be blind to everything that's happened with Nintendo these last 8 years since the Wii fell off a cliff and they followed with Wii U. Like I said, if Nintendo go out of their way to get devs to make games, those devs (unless they are money hatted) need some really good feeling about whether they think it'll be a success. Up until now Nintendo has shown that it's unlikely.

Nintendo's position is just a continuation of their trend since they first releases the NES (Wii bump notwithstanding). The Wii U is the bottom of the graph. Whether it's the bottom of a trough or will continue waits to be seen, but that don't think for a second that publishers and developers would not be very wary about Nintendo hardware.

OK, so let me walk this through logically then, based on all your commentary thus far.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this idea of a glass ceiling on 3rd-party games being substantially low that has been thrown about since the GameCube era has unquestionable merit to it, that there is a downward trend in sales of 3rd-party games that is both unquestionable and impossible to ignore and, as evidenced by how long it has been talked about, not even close to a new phenomenon.

So then... what was it about the Wii U that, up until launch, made all of that data irrelevant? What made 3rd-parties go "y'know, Nintendo might be on to something, this hardware will totally beat back the decline in 3rd-party software interest"? What made them think they were safe to greenlight any 3rd-party software for launch, and in some cases exclusive software that only sells on Nintendo hardware which has a history of not selling 3rd-party software? Clearly, there was a course correction that happened rather rapidly after the launch of the hardware, but if this idea that they'll sell sub-50K units of software on Nintendo consoles has unquestionable merit, why were they even considering games on a Nintendo console in the first place?

This is without even factoring the handheld market into things, which I have left out of the discussion in fairness to your argument and does sell 3rd-party software more than adequately.

Until those questions are properly answered, it leads me to believe that 3rd-parties aren't as invested in this idea as forum-goers are, that there's more to Nintendo's relationships with 3rd-parties that any of us will ever be privy to, that the issues with 3rd-party software are perhaps, maybe, just a TAD more nuanced than most people are willing to admit, considering we're still using a talking point against them that existed 15 years ago, when the industry was an entirely different animal than it is today.

Nintendo can change, 3rd-parties definitely have already, and yet we're still stuck discussing Nintendo like we're still in the middle of the GameCube era. You'll forgive me if I think that there's something not quite right with that.

I thought it was a misconception that Nintendo generally sells its hardware for profit at launch, and that it just was often able to sell its consoles at an initial, albeit small loss so that it can break even and sell it a profit sooner rather than later compared to what Sony and Microsoft have historically done.

This is correct, they aim for break-even historically and aren't averse to small hardware losses. And Wii U has shown that they are begrudgingly willing to take a deeper loss if required.

There's also their particular design philosophy to use as many parts as they can that will see a rapid cost decline, which is how we saw a $99 GameCube, because it was engineered to be cheaper to make at a faster rate.

And that worked out just swell for them.

Had they sold more hardware and more software with it at launch, it very well could have balanced out. And even the losses they took on Wii U and 3DS weren't so large that it buried them the way it did for Microsoft and Sony.

You know all this talk about ram and bandwidth is going to be irreverent if Nintendo only talks about how cool it is to take your NX games anywhere on the go.

FTFY
 

MrBigBoy

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The more I hear the more I keep thinking that the dummy controller will be the actual NX and the "home console" will be the optional SCD.

They can price the dummy controller around 100$ and have every NX game available to it through cloud.

Alternatively, you could get the home console to play the games on your TV with a normal controller.
I think this post could be it. NX is a handheld, dock it in the SCD and BOOM you have a console.
 

Loris146

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That's why I think Japan will get the dummy controller first while the west gets the home console.

Also, don't forget about that 10-12 million NXs sold in the first year. They wouldn't expect to sell 10 million units if it costed 300$+ , would they?

What does "first year" even mean ? The year that ends 31 march 2017 or 31 December 2017 or March 2018? In the first case no way they will sell 12 ML.
 

Clefargle

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Few friends and I had that discussion in the discord related to the rumor about which games interact with their Wii U counterparts or not. I honestly think Smash Bros for 3DS and Wii U aren't designed for cross play which lead me to believe that we wouldn't get cross-play in Smash Bros for NX. It's possible that we could get new conents (or 3DS stages only) for Smash Bros 4 port but it's hard to tell right now. If we didn't get any new characters or stages, so it's possible that they could add new custom moves, event modes, etc in new game for DLC characters.

Omg yes, thank you heath
 
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