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Content Round Up - Episode 6 - Haunted Houses

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- NY Mag interview: True Detective’s Michelle Monaghan on Maggie’s Big Moment and Connecting With Cohle
- Emily Nussbaum on TD for The New Yorker
- YahooTV: 'True Detective' Star Michelle Monaghan on Maggie's Predatory Turn and the Show's 'Shocking,' 'Disturbing' Resolution
- Slate: The Horrible Things That Men Do to Women - Yes, True Detective treats its female characters badly. That's the point.
- Music listings
- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why Men Should Want ‘True Detective’ To Have Great, Nuanced Female Characters
- Molly Lambert for Grantland: Her Looming Shadow Grows: The Complex Women of ‘True Detective’
- Maureen Ryan: 'True Detective,' Flat Circles And The Eternal Search For Meaning
- LA Times: Music and 'True Detective': A playlist of grim songs score HBO drama (includes a Spotify playlist with most of the music)
- Salon: “True Detective” vs. film noir
- Grantland's Hollywood Prospectus Podcast talks True Detective this week, among other things. Keep in mind that Andy Greenwald isn't a huge fan of the show.
- Fukunaga confirmed to not be coming back for season 2
- HBO’s ‘True Detective’ Uncovers Series High On Sunday
- Youtube playlist with almost all of the music from TD via io9
- ScreenCrush: ‘True Detective’ and Women: Does the Hit HBO Show Have a Problem With Female Characters?
- Vanity Fair: True Detective’s Grisly Murders, Rejected Hairstyles, and Big Hug Mug Backstory, from Director Cary Fukunaga
- Lengthy interview with The Daily Beast: True Detective Director Cary Fukunaga’s Journey from Pro Snowboarder to Hollywood’s Most Wanted
- HBO: Interview With Michelle Monaghan
- Harrelson interview with Metro in the UK
- LA Times: 'True Detective' music: 10 other great songs by the Handsome Family
- EW: 'True Detective' creator Nic Pizzolatto on Carcosa, hideous men, and the season 1 endgame *some spoilers, read at your own risk and tag discussion accordingly*
- Nola.com: 'True Detective's' Michael Potts discusses Det. Maynard Gilbough
- Pizzolatto on McConaughey's Unsolved Mysteries role:
- Rolling Stone: The Dark Thrills of 'True Detective' (general article from their print edition)
- Complex: "True Detective" and the Dilemma of the Dead Woman's Photograph
- Wired: Who Is True Detective’s Yellow King? Here Are Our 6 Favorite Theories
- Slate: True Detective is not really a whodunit. It’s an exploration of storytelling.
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Van Owen said:
Marty being involved somehow seems a bit cheap after we see his reaction when finding the two kids since there is no one around he would need to put on a show for. Unless he is only into killing young prostitutes and knew nothing of the kids or something.
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Yep. I hate when characters act a certain way when no one is around, just to trick the audience. It's some of the worst writing in TV when they do this.

But it's possible Marty has ties to the cult but wasn't aware they were doing this to children? I'm not sure how believable that would be, how could it? Marty also was angry when Rust left over an under aged girl working at the bunny ranch. Why would Marty have this moment if he's apart of a cult that rapes girls and kills them?

The only moment that might explain it is when Rust says Marty has a weird sense of compassion. It comes after Rust tells the inmate that he probably caused his ex wife to die and Marty tells Rust he didn't need to kick a man down when he's that low.

IF we are going with the theory that Marty was involved all along, they could certainly do it. And here is why:

The show establishes from the very beginning that it's being told from the perspective of Rust and Marty. Rust is messed up from the drugs among other things, so we have to always question the validity of how things actually went down. I trust Rust, I'm just saying there might be times where the credibility of the story could be questionable (or not accurate). If Marty is really involved, then anything told from his perspective is already going to be told in in fabrication. Basically, this story is being told from two different perspectives, so what we've seen isn't guaranteed to be 100% accurate. I do feel that they CAN get away with this, because it's established in the first episode that this story is being told from two people. So we should never assume the narrative is absolute.

You also have moments like Marty killing Ledoux. On the surface, we assume it's because Marty is angry. If I recall correctly, Marty is telling this part of the story. How do we even know Marty was angry because he saw the kids? It's totally possible he knew Ledoux knew who he was, and used that moment to act angry to put him down. (I sort of take issue with this part though, because when the audience sees this moment, it's actually not being told by either men. Because both men are lying about how it went down. So this is when the story is being told to us separate from their recount, so to me, that says it has to be accurate).

I'm personally not a fan of this theory. But I do think if they want to make Marty the killer, or at least have him be tied to the cult, they could certainly do it in a way that doesn't feel cheap. But I do think they would need to walk us through how Marty is tied to this. They can't just leave it to a shocking moment, or a twist. We need to see the pieces, and how we arrive at how he was involved all along. Plus, this would make for a really tragic story with Rust. That in the end, Rust still succumbed to his human flaw, and was unable to consider Marty as being involved. That he was blind to it, because of their relationship.
 
If Marty unwittingly knew something and it turns out that he was withholding information that is one thing. Perhaps he opens up more in the next episode for some reason...

But if Marty was a full on cult member or even the Yellow King then this show is going to take a huge turn from fantastic writing and acting to horrible low grade "The Killing" style of writing.
 
Marty has no scars that we've seen. And the Yellow King is obviously as mentally twisted as Rust while Marty is just a broken down cowboy trying desperately to relive the glory days.

Maggie drove the spike between them that ruined the case, their careers and their lives. What if it's a Yellow Queen?

By next week we'll be grasping at straws so desperately that we'll be accusing mastermind Charlie Lang from prison as pulling all the strings.
 
AkuMifune said:
Marty has no scars that we've seen. And the Yellow King is obviously as mentally twisted as Rust while Marty is just a broken down cowboy trying desperately to relive the glory days.

Maggie drove the spike between them that ruined the case, their careers and their lives. What if it's a Yellow Queen?
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We don't really know if the Yellow King has scars. We just know a man with scars is involved. Yellow King could still be the boss man. The Yellow King doesn't even need to be a killer. He could just be someone that runs the cult. I have a hard time imagining Marty has being the top dog though. If they are going to spin this as him being involved, I would think he's just involved on a surface level (maybe helps protect it). I can't see him being a mastermind, personally.

EDIT: Well yeah, I agree that it's grasping at straws. Personally, I don't think it is Marty. Was only entertaining the speculation a page back on HOW they could make it be Marty (if they really wanted to). I don't think it will be.
 
AkuMifune said:
Marty has no scars that we've seen. And the Yellow King is obviously as mentally twisted as Rust while Marty is just a broken down cowboy trying desperately to relive the glory days.

Maggie drove the spike between them that ruined the case, their careers and their lives. What if it's a Yellow Queen?

By next week we'll be grasping at straws so desperately that we'll be accusing mastermind Charlie Lang from prison as pulling all the strings.
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Charlie Lang. Charlie L. Charlie Luciano. Charles "Lucky" Luciano ran organized crime while in prison.
 
Azula said:
We don't really know if the Yellow King has scars. We just know a man with scars is involved. Yellow King could still be the boss man. The Yellow King doesn't even need to be a killer. He could just be someone that runs the cult. I have a hard time imagining Marty has being the top dog though. If they are going to spin this as him being involved, I would think he's just involved on a surface level (maybe helps protect it). I can't see him being a mastermind, personally.

EDIT: Well yeah, I agree that it's grasping at straws. Personally, I don't think it is Marty. Was only entertaining the speculation a page back on HOW they could make it be Marty (if they really wanted to). I don't think it will be.
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The yellow king doesn't even have to be an actual person.
 
Imm0rt4l said:
The yellow king doesn't even have to be an actual person.
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Absolutely true. I mean, we already know the Yellow King is a reference to literature. Even if it's not a reference in the story itself, It could be just an idea. I also think we are assuming that this is a "cult". So far, the only people that have talked about this stuff was Dora Lang in her journal (who we know was on LSD/Meth) and Ledoux (who cooks LSD/Meth) lol so...

It's totally possible this is just a sex ring, or some kind of rapist thing (like a secret society). All the satanic stuff is just being pushed by the people being drugged up. Obviously there is a cult element to this. But what I'm saying is, we don't actually know if it's a cult behind all the killings. It could just be a side thing tied to the real crimes going on here.
 
The only people on the show who have mentioned "The Yellow King" specifically were all involved in a shitload of drugs. Maybe he's just a manifestation of their indoctrination when they're high as fuck. Lol.
 
Given the religious nature of the killings I would be surprised if this werent cult related. Why the emphasis on religion? The dialogue in episode 3 between marty and rust on religion. We have all the reason to believe this is cult related.
 
Imm0rt4l said:
Given the religious nature of the killings I would be surprised if this werent cult related. Why the emphasis on religion? The dialogue in episode 3 between marty and rust on religion. We have all the reason to believe this is cult related.
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Might be for show. Throw off the scent of what's really going on. If there is some secret society of older men in the community raping women, drugging their victims and pushing the satanic angle distorts things from what is really going on.

EDIT: Not saying this will be the case. Just one explanation. But I do find it strange how the only people talking about this stuff, are those that are being drugged. Dora Lange only started talking about it in her journal, after she was using hard drugs. And Ledoux brings it up too. So it makes me wonder if the people using them, are really satanist, or people just pushing it on them because they are messed up.
 
Imm0rt4l said:
Given the religious nature of the killings I would be surprised if this werent cult related. Why the emphasis on religion? The dialogue in episode 3 between marty and rust on religion. We have all the reason to believe this is cult related.
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My understanding of the idea that it's not cult related is that if it isn't, the assumption is that the Tuttle schools served as a human-trafficking ring with rampant prostitution and that the killings were incidental/unintended from somebody with some connection to it. This would then tie into their very first assumption in the case being that it seemed satanic and that it was an occult ritual/sacrifice

Personally I would prefer it to simply be a cult which is where I hope it's going (presumably with five senior members).

EDIT: Oh also, I assume it's after being discussed but is anybody expecting some reveal involving Rust's daughter? I'd assumed he killed her while drunk (and then while driving drunk) in the first few episodes but I've cooled off on it recently.

EDIT 2: Just to clarify I'm hoping there is no 'grand reveal' or, if there is, it's something small. The emphasis thus far has been firmly ont he detectives and I'd rather the focus remained there rather than certainly shifting the importance to the "who did it" aspect.
 
duckroll said:
The only people on the show who have mentioned "The Yellow King" specifically were all involved in a shitload of drugs. Maybe he's just a manifestation of their indoctrination when they're high as fuck. Lol.
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Or the yellow king is a drug!
 
Dany M said:
pretty much.

at this point i feel like the fervor in this thread is reaching the point where nothing can satsify whatever theories folks have.
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yeah, I suspect some people will probably be let down.

I will be let down, only because the series will end in 2 more episodes. Great television and another reason why I prefer premium TV content like HBO
 
If Marty ends up being the killer in the finale, then I will never, EVER watch another episode of True Detective.
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With all these goofy elaborate theories and random asides, this thread certainly evokes Lost discussions.

Having said that, the Yellow King is obviously the monster from the id.
 
The One Who Knocks said:
EDIT: Oh also, I assume it's after being discussed but is anybody expecting some reveal involving Rust's daughter? I'd assumed he killed her while drunk (and then while driving drunk) in the first few episodes but I've cooled off on it recently.
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I'd like to think so. The death of his daughter is probably more tragic than rust is letting on. And it would be pretty apt to find out at the end exact what occurred in the beginning, time being a circle and all.

I'm not a fan of some of these theories people are concocting. Its like we've read the 2nd act and now everyone's gone mad. There were some great theories but as we get closer to the conclusion the theories get dumber and dumber.
 
Imm0rt4l said:
I'd like to think so. The death of his daughter is probably more tragic than rust is letting on. And it would be pretty apt to find out at the end exact what occurred in the beginning, time being a circle and all.

I'm not a fan of some of these theories people are concocting. Its like we've read the 2nd act and now everyone's gone mad. There were some great theories but as we get closer to the conclusion the theories get dumber and dumber.
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We're just having fun. I doubt anyone is serious (kinda hope not) but I think the plot is actually very simple, just feels complicated because of the mood and all the symbolism.

I don't actually think it's about what unfolds as opposed to how, and if anyone finds justice or redemption in the end.
 
- NY Mag: Ask a Philosopher: What’s Up With True Detective’s Rust Cohle?
Do you see Rust's actions or way of life reflecting his "realist" attitude?

I would say that Rust’s pessimistic realism is expressed in his suspicion toward institutions — the police department, organized religion — and toward the narratives people build around themselves. In the latter case, he expects people to be mired in self-deception, and that allows him to dig deeper behind the masks they wear to obscure what is really going on. However, there is a price to pay for this and we see that such a bleak understanding of the world can also result in the recklessness that forms part of his character. The austere, stoic lifestyle he lives, along with the drinking, is absolutely a result of thinking along these lines. Perhaps the moment this is clearest is when he realizes, whilst watching television with his girlfriend, that such a life is just not for him. He just can’t buy into it anymore. This is why I think the "I know what I am" line is so important.


How would you describe Marty's personal philosophy — family-oriented, religious, black-and-white sense of good and evil, yet someone prone to vices — in contrast to Rust's? When does philosophy become a conversation about ethics?

Marty is a classic moral hypocrite albeit precisely the type of person who keeps society from collapsing. In many ways, he is just the Everyman and he carries out his "duty" in an extremely predictable way — almost as if he got married just so he could move on to have affairs as the next step. I don’t quite think it’s a philosophy so much as he has just soaked up ideas of how to be a man and tries to live according to them (without reflecting on it all too much as he senses where that leads).


Do you see Marty as a character designed to challenge Rust's philosophical POV? Or confirm it?

Marty reads to me as a pragmatist who tries to navigate life by a series of codes of conduct. Not always good ones — men have codes for misbehaving. I don’t think it is designed to challenge or confirm Rust’s philosophical view so much as act as a blunt contrast to it; by having such a "normal" Everyman beside Rust, it intensifies his weirdness, almost like the "straight man" you find in comedy shows. However, I cannot be sure here that I am not reading Marty well since to me he, rather than Rust, is the weird one!


How do you see the concept of evil playing out on the show?

This is tricky for me because I don’t believe in the concept of evil and suspect Rust does not technically believe in it either. It’s a very religious concept and for a pessimist would be seen as a word that obscures complexity. I honestly cannot say at the moment whether the show is going to end up as an expression of the inherent "evilness" at the heart of people, but I admit that would disappoint me. My hope is that the sense of supernatural foreboding found through the show will be explained, if it is at all, in a realist manner. That is to say, it will be the result of a human mind, which is already the darkest thing in nature. As Rust tells us in the car, consciousness is an aberration from nature.
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The One Who Knocks said:
My understanding of the idea that it's not cult related is that if it isn't, the assumption is that the Tuttle schools served as a human-trafficking ring with rampant prostitution and that the killings were incidental/unintended from somebody with some connection to it. This would then tie into their very first assumption in the case being that it seemed satanic and that it was an occult ritual/sacrifice

Personally I would prefer it to simply be a cult which is where I hope it's going (presumably with five senior members).

EDIT: Oh also, I assume it's after being discussed but is anybody expecting some reveal involving Rust's daughter? I'd assumed he killed her while drunk (and then while driving drunk) in the first few episodes but I've cooled off on it recently.

EDIT 2: Just to clarify I'm hoping there is no 'grand reveal' or, if there is, it's something small. The emphasis thus far has been firmly ont he detectives and I'd rather the focus remained there rather than certainly shifting the importance to the "who did it" aspect.
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Your avatar is the yellow king
 
The One Who Knocks said:
My understanding of the idea that it's not cult related is that if it isn't, the assumption is that the Tuttle schools served as a human-trafficking ring with rampant prostitution and that the killings were incidental/unintended from somebody with some connection to it. This would then tie into their very first assumption in the case being that it seemed satanic and that it was an occult ritual/sacrifice

Personally I would prefer it to simply be a cult which is where I hope it's going (presumably with five senior members).

EDIT: Oh also, I assume it's after being discussed but is anybody expecting some reveal involving Rust's daughter? I'd assumed he killed her while drunk (and then while driving drunk) in the first few episodes but I've cooled off on it recently.

EDIT 2: Just to clarify I'm hoping there is no 'grand reveal' or, if there is, it's something small. The emphasis thus far has been firmly ont he detectives and I'd rather the focus remained there rather than certainly shifting the importance to the "who did it" aspect.
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At this point, I'm not expecting any "grand reveal" or major shocker/twist. I don't get that vibe from the show. Even if someone we know is involved somehow, I expect them to just walk us to that point, without it being some kind of reveal event. It would hit way too close to home to typical horror film tropes. And I don't see the author wanting to do that.
 
Marty being the killer would be ludicrous but there's also still enough there to make me not trust him completely. The only person really in the clear so far is Rust I feel.
 
I've been meaning to ask about the "you buy me a beer" line.

Is that an acknowledgment that he knows that Marty doesn't drink anymore, and so Rust can't buy him a beer. I was wondering if it told us that Marty and Rust had been in touch since the 2002 breakup.

Something along the lines of the boys fight and break up, Marty goes dry, Rust and Marty are still in touch so Rust knows this. Therefore the line. It's a clue that they've been in touch during the period that we thought they were apart.

Maybe not in touch the whole time, but at least post-breakup.

Yeah, the show makes you think about whether every line has a different meaning.
 
jvm said:
I've been meaning to ask about the "you buy me a beer" line.

Is that an acknowledgment that he knows that Marty doesn't drink anymore, and so Rust can't buy him a beer. I was wondering if it told us that Marty and Rust had been in touch since the 2002 breakup.

Something along the lines of the boys fight and break up, Marty goes dry, Rust and Marty are still in touch so Rust knows this. Therefore the line. It's a clue that they've been in touch during the period that we thought they were apart.

Maybe not in touch the whole time, but at least post-breakup.

Yeah, the show makes you think about whether every line has a different meaning.
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Don't think it means they have been in touch, but I hadn't considered that Marty wasn't drinking and Rust was. Nice reversal of their earlier situation.

Wilbur said:
Isn't it because he doesn't have any fucking money :lol
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That's what I assumed.
 
jvm said:
I've been meaning to ask about the "you buy me a beer" line.

Is that an acknowledgment that he knows that Marty doesn't drink anymore, and so Rust can't buy him a beer. I was wondering if it told us that Marty and Rust had been in touch since the 2002 breakup.

Something along the lines of the boys fight and break up, Marty goes dry, Rust and Marty are still in touch so Rust knows this. Therefore the line. It's a clue that they've been in touch during the period that we thought they were apart.

Maybe not in touch the whole time, but at least post-breakup.

Yeah, the show makes you think about whether every line has a different meaning.
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More like Rust having no money and also maybe a little bit blaming Marty for their break up, so Marty should be the one buying the beer to apologize to Rust.
 
Solo said:
Doesn't do it for me. In fact, none of the artwork I've seen so far does. Shame, for such a great show with a lot of great thematic material, the fan artwork is leaving a lot to be desired.
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I like this poster:
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and the art that HalfBakedProphet is using for his avatar now. Otherwise, I haven't seen much that interests me.
 
Cornballer said:
I like this poster: and the art that HalfBakedProphet is using for his avatar now. Otherwise, I haven't seen much that interests me.
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Yeah, HBP avatar is by far the best art I have seen. Seems like people are caught up on a too... something style, I don't really have the vocabulary, but doesn't really gel will the show for me. Still some great pieces, just not for me.

Too abstracted? I don't really know.
 
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