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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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I don't think we will have a resolution to the murders either. I'm expecting the relationship between Rust and Marty to come to some kind of finality and that's it.

Michelle Monaghan said in an interview, though from last night that we would know who the killer is by the end.

I don't think every single ambiguity will be filled in of course, but at the very least we will know who the killer is and his motivation (or at least some of it) for why he kills.
 
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The writer seems well aware of this "issue"



Not that this confirms anything, but maybe season two will have a female detective as protagonist; or at least, deeper female characters

Interesting. I'm still not sure how I feel about the portrayal of women on this show, considering the narrative and POV, but it's good to know that he's at least aware it's a conflicting subject.
 
Interesting. I'm still not sure how I feel about the portrayal of women on this show, considering the narrative and POV, but it's good to know that he's at least aware it's a conflicting subject.
I was cheering Marty's two girls for walking out on him in episode six. They didn't do it with a lot of nastiness, just resigned to knowing their father wasn't very sensitive and letting it go. As if to say, "I'll go elsewhere and be constructive".
 
You know, hypothetically if this was the last episode of the season, it would be a good damm ending to me for some reason. Glad that there are still two more episodes.
 
I don't know if color is really as important in this show as it is in Breaking Bad

A lot of the over-analyzing reminds me of the BB threads on various internet boards
 
That was the reason why i put up my link. Better (drag to zoom): http://gfycat.com/GoodQueasyGibbon

Oh, didn't see it. Yep, that's definitely a better Maggie booty shot. :D

I posted about this after last week's episode, but I don't think we as the audience were ever supposed to really put stock into Rust as the killer. The cops are because from their view he's suspicious as hell, but we've seen him investigate the case on his own numerous times. Both in 95 and in 02. Makes no sense for him to be in on it.

If we had only seen him with Marty or other characters then maybe, but that hasn't been the case.

Same. If that was the "twist," people would smack their heads in how predictable it would have been, I think.

Definitely a different vibe from this episode compared to the previous. But quite an important episode in terms of outlining the breakdown and split of both of the working and personal relationships between Maggie, Marty & Rust.

I thought Michelle Monaghan was fantastic in her turn as Maggie and I really liked the no-nonsense steely determination of her as the woman betrayed, and the way that she just goes for the jugular in getting her vengeance on Marty and ensuring that her actions would be the death knell to the marriage without question. It's brutal, ugly, devastating and without sentiment and there's something quite refreshing about that absolute warts and all honesty as to how things can go south. Despite the fact that there clearly existed some form of friendship between her and Rust, Maggie is ready to sacrifice that in its entirety by leveraging Rusts frailties and that small torch she knows that he does carry for her as the emblem of a life he lost, turning up at his apartment late at night with a bottle in hand.

That Rust is already half cut makes the seduction that much easier, and him losing himself so easily in her only to realise as she pushes him away in order to hitch up her panties that it was never about him and her and perhaps the possibility of a future was just raw, and it's no surprise that he is outraged that she played him so easily, or that he walks resignedly into the inevitable forecourt smack down from Marty.

I also thought it was great the way she laid it all on Marty and pretty much was goading him into punching her out. An act whose repercussions would surely of put paid to both his reputation and career in one fell swoop. Maggie is burning down the house. That Marty despite the tumult of emotions that he must of been feeling was able to rein himself in says a lot about how despite everything, he's a different man from that which we encountered in 1995 in terms of being better able to manage his anger (if not his libido) and is the pre-cursor to him wisely putting his gun away before confronting Rust lest he send him the way of Reggie Ledoux.

Albeit neither of the leads will be back for further True Detective, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Michelle Monaghan return in a new role as perhaps one of next seasons detectives. Although her appearances have been limited I think she's done a great job in breathing life into Maggie, and I'd love to see her do more TV drama of this calibre.

Yeah, the way they portray real life as not being a bed of roses is refreshing. That's why a lot of people like it so much, too, I think. Not everyone's pretty, handsome, chiseled and not everything is falling the way traditional TV has laid it out before.

Rust being seduced so easily was a disappointment for me, I admit. At first, I thought he was going to resist it. When Maggie knocked and I saw her in a sun dress and with a bottle of wine, I immediately thought she was going to try and fuck Rust's brains out. But eh, even someone as jaded and "soulless" as Rust caves in to his inner caveman.

Well she said she gained weight because she was pregnant at the time. They had to size up for her fitting. She has long legs (5'7) and her small waist + body arch + camera angle = her fine ass booty. Look at me, fn Mr. Skin all of a sudden smh.

Ah, thought the actress confirmed it herself. Nonetheless, that scene almost gave me wood. xD What makes me doubt it is the angle, since she did go full on naked in Episode 2 or 3, right?

I caught up with the first 5 from my roomates DVR, and I'll watch 6 tonight.

I don't know if I love this show but I'm invested and I really want to see where this goes. It feels like they are been dancing around the possibilities and we are about to get some seriously weird shit about to go down.

How many episodes will this story/sesason be?

Eight episodes in total, and the cast will be all-new next season since it's an anthology. Come to think of it, has it been renewed for a second season, folks?

I both hope and suspect that we will not find out who the Yellow King is. The idea is obviously taken from Robert Chambers, and in keeping with that, the Yellow King should remain a distant figure of menace and malice, influencing others. I hope next season will have another, different connection to the Yellow King.

Wasn't there an earlier post here on GAF where Monaghan reveals in an interview that we will indeed know who the killer (Yellow King) is?
 
the women who complain about the portrayal of women shouldn't blame the show or the writer. They should portray the society that it portrays and it is the society we live in. This is a society where many men are attracted to women who they think are easily discarded and this is also the society where many women admire women who are sexualized and are one dimensioned in character.

There were 3 main women in the show.

The wife who forgave her husband in a matter to re establish trust and when she saw the trust was broken, she did the horrible thing which anyone could have ended up doing when pushed to the limit.

The girlfriend who was a sexual partner to Marty but really she wanted a relationship rather than being his sex toy

The one night stand girl who wanted Marty because of his history of making an impact on society, the kind of women who only admire men who possess some form of news making event as a historical reference. they think they are after powerful men even if they are weak in character

Now do you NOT find these women in society? yes you do, they are all over and no one can deny they exist everywhere. The feminists will say well then the men are portrayed better. Really? Is there anyone more fcked up in the show than Marty and more warped about reality than Rust?
 
I don't know if color is really as important in this show as it is in Breaking Bad

A lot of the over-analyzing reminds me of the BB threads on various internet boards
what's funny is how grounded the show is week after week, yet the speculation gets increasingly outrageous. A few of these "hints" people think they're finding might be subtle nods to the works Pizzolatto is referencing, most are nothing but overblown fan created red herrings.
 
what's funny is how grounded the show is week after week, yet the speculation gets increasingly outrageous. A few of these "hints" people think they're finding might be subtle nods to the works Pizzolatto is referencing, most are nothing but overblown fan created red herrings.

yeah, like how there are some who think the show will go into supernatural territory, which I hope doesn't happen, because that would be a hard thing to buy.
 
Many of you are piling on Marty calling him the worst of the worst but in reality, I don't think Marty's that bad. As Maggie says, and he says himself, he's fucked up. He doesn't know who he is. He's essentially white trash, who happens to be a decent detective. Marty does have a sense of morality he just can't keep his head on straight. And he knows it. The "current" version of Marty is likely a more stable individual. We will see.

Again, I am not defending any of Marty's actions. Adultery, and slapping his daughter are not acceptable. But as far as fictional television characters go, Marty is middle of the road on the morality compass.
 
the women who complain about the portrayal of women shouldn't blame the show or the writer. They should portray the society that it portrays and it is the society we live in. This is a society where many men are attracted to women who they think are easily discarded and this is also the society where many women admire women who are sexualized and are one dimensioned in character.

The issue isn't that the female characters are unrealistic or not found in "real life"; it's that they are the only representations of women in the series.

Like I said, it's something I go back and forth on, and I don't think it's black and white. I agree with the Slate article that the treatment and portrayal of women is intentionally misogynist/male-driven, given the POVs of the story.

At the same time, I can see why some might find fault with the show as the result of this. It's another case where it's difficult to separate the characters' ideas from the show runner's.
 
Who happens to be a decent detective.

Does a decent detective brutalise suspects under his care and then goes on to brawl with his partner in the parking lot in front of his collegues?

Hell if the guy was taking bribes he'd pretty much be a stereotypical 'bent copper'.

Hell I know the acting must be good because I find the character revolting. He's a disgrace as a policeman and as a man.
 
The issue isn't that the female characters are unrealistic or not found in "real life"; it's that they are the only representations of women in the series.

Like I said, it's something I go back and forth on, and I don't think it's black and white. I agree with the Slate article that the treatment and portrayal of women is intentionally misogynist/male-driven, given the POVs of the story.

At the same time, I can see why some might find fault with the show as the result of this. It's another case where it's difficult to separate the characters' ideas from the show runner's.

this I agree with. the POV is purely the 2 detectives and to them and in their world, women who they interact with are the types of characters they are attracted to or they conflict with.
 
That (under the law) raped his daughter?

So he abuses his position to threaten and beat them up without fear of reprisal?

His wife is right, he is a damn coward.

In fact that whole police station is either incredibly corrupt or incredibly stupid.
They shoot down Rust without even listening to a word he says, even when they know how good (if strange) he is. That and they are in the pocket of the (not at all scumbag) Tuttles.
 
He's only a coward with Rust as a foil. By the standards of typical humans, Marty is quite normal; unwilling to face his own weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
 

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Why is this difficult?

Why is it not difficult? If the show is only portraying a single perspective of women, there is literally no indication that they understand or view women in any other way.

I mean, how many pages of discussion/argument have we had over whether the show is advocating the nihilism of Rust or if it's just his character? What a director/writer/actor wants to portray can be different from how the portrayal is received.

Like I said, though: it's not black and white. While exploring the relationship between men and women may not be the utmost point of the story, it has been a part of every single episode and contributes to the overall existential exploration. Even though many of the women have all the hallmarks of a male-dominated perspective, most have something very poignant and relevant to the male/female dynamic and turn it on its head.
 
Why is it not difficult? If the show is only portraying a single perspective of women, there is literally no indication that they understand or view women in any other way.

I mean, how many pages of discussion/argument have we had over whether the show is advocating the nihilism of Rust or if it's just his character? What a director/writer/actor wants to portray can be different from how the portrayal is received.

I don't think there's much value in that discussion. If you want answers you can get it straight from the horse's mouth.

I'm not concerned with the author's intent. Only in what's on the screen.
 
It seems to me that the Tuttle schools were a front for the Yellow King (scarred man?) and his men to get their jollies on.

Now the schools have gone he is clearly continuing under new (as yet unknown) means.
 
He's only a coward with Rust as a foil. By the standards of typical humans, Marty is quite normal; unwilling to face his own weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

Rust is just as much of a coward. He's perfectly capable of talking about big ideas about how humanity "should" be when he's in a detached position. He's also very good at criticizing other people when he has the advantage of not being involved. But every single time he finds himself actually involved in a difficult social interaction, he retreats and cuts himself off.

For all their heroism and masculinity, I'll say it's clear both men are also cowards in their own ways. Marty is just the more ordinary coward.
 
Interesting. I'm still not sure how I feel about the portrayal of women on this show, considering the narrative and POV, but it's good to know that he's at least aware it's a conflicting subject.

I think it's more that the show doesn't feature any diversity in terms of female characters - it's a collection of victims/prostitutes and the Jilted Wife. You could argue it makes sense: the show is almost entirely about two male detectives, we rarely see anything that isn't from their perspective, and unlike Breaking Bad or Mad Men there isn't much focus on the wives; we don't get to see Maggie's daily life unless she is interacting/reacting to Marty or Cohle.

It's a detective show set it deep Louisiana, I "get" why the female parts are sparse. Hell I was surprised there are two black detectives, and even those roles are largely background/not big. It would have been interesting if one of the black detectives was a white female - I think that would lead to some dynamic scenes with Marty.

While watching the episode I found myself thinking lol, Alyssa Rosenberg is going to have something to say about this. She has criticized the show's portrayal of black people in episode 4 (the tracking shot through the projects). But even there I can't help but think...what do you expect to see in the projects, from a cop's perspective? Likewise it's not surprising a philandering pos detective like Marty would focus his attention on crazy, clingy women over his wife - who honestly seems like one of the few "decent" people on the show.

The show is also about hyper-masculinity.
 
Rust being seduced so easily was a disappointment for me, I admit. At first, I thought he was going to resist it. When Maggie knocked and I saw her in a sun dress and with a bottle of wine, I immediately thought she was going to try and fuck Rust's brains out. But eh, even someone as jaded and "soulless" as Rust caves in to his inner caveman.

Oh I think it's more complicated than that. Since the revelation during last weeks interrogation that both he & Marty didn't bring the Lang case to closure in 1995 and that someone or something (as a collective) is still operating out there in the hinterlands preying on the weak and vulnerable it's clear that Rust has been unraveling.

His relationship with his girlfriend has clearly come to an end and given the workplace tensions between him & Marty its clear that the latter's apathy to follow through on the' yellow king' confessional from the episode before is driving a wedge between them professionally. It's only Rust who revisits the school after all. Now he finds himself suspended without pay and openly berated by his superiors.

I don't think anyone can be considered blameless in what transpires at Rust's apartment (it takes two to tango after all), but I think the writer at Pastemagazine does a great job of adding some illumination to it all: -

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/02/true-detective-review-haunted-houses-episode-106.html

Also goddamn it, but I just can't stop reading every frikken review/write up.
 
Not a great episode, but a necessary one. Not sure I could add much more than that, I didnt enjoy it as a standalone but we needed the answers so the story could move forward, probably one ill skip on a re-watch.
 
Is Woody Harrelson really so attractive that all those hot women would want him? They just fall into his lap and it's making it tough for me to buy that plot thread.
 
Is Woody Harrelson really so attractive that all those hot women would want him? They just fall into his lap and it's making it tough for me to buy that plot thread.

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Not a great episode, but a necessary one. Not sure I could add much more than that, I didnt enjoy it as a standalone but we needed the answers so the story could move forward, probably one ill skip on a re-watch.

I'd say it stands up a lot better on a second viewing, and shouldn't be discounted as filler that easily. Certainly it's in large part acting as a bridge to bring up from 2002 to the present days 2012, but there's a lot of useful information to be gleamed from it, especially from the Preacher gone to seed & the reverend Tuttle. Plus Rust & Cohle getting snappy.
 
I don't think there's much value in that discussion. If you want answers you can get it straight from the horse's mouth.

I'm not concerned with the author's intent. Only in what's on the screen.

That's fine, but it doesn't excuse True Detective, or any other piece of work, from discussion. What's on screen is different for everyone. It's limiting to think there is only one "true" way to view a show/piece of art.

While watching the episode I found myself thinking lol, Alyssa Rosenberg is going to have something to say about this. She has criticized the show's portrayal of black people in episode 4 (the tracking shot through the projects). But even there I can't help but think...what do you expect to see in the projects, from a cop's perspective? Likewise it's not surprising a philandering pos detective like Marty would focus his attention on crazy, clingy women over his wife - who honestly seems like one of the few "decent" people on the show.

The show is also about hyper-masculinity.

This is why I think I'm not too down on it: hyper-masculinity is examined and criticized heavily in this show. While there may not be a balanced view of women on the show, it can easily be argued that this is a reflection of the characters and their own perspectives. If that scathing critique were not always present, then I'd likely look at this show a lot differently.
 
While watching the episode I found myself thinking lol, Alyssa Rosenberg is going to have something to say about this. She has criticized the show's portrayal of black people in episode 4 (the tracking shot through the projects). But even there I can't help but think...what do you expect to see in the projects, from a cop's perspective?

I really had a problem with that analysis and I typically like her stuff. She seemed to pretty much admit it wasn't inaccurate and that stuff goes down (cliches are there for a reason) but for some reason they should have done something different because you can't have anything that fits a stereotype.
 
I really had a problem with that analysis and I typically like her stuff. She seemed to pretty much admit it wasn't inaccurate and that stuff goes down (cliches are there for a reason) but for some reason they should have done something different because you can't have anything that fits a stereotype.
Ehhhh different people react to different things.

I have an issue w the "it's anti-women" reaction though- there's no need to be defensive. My gf hates the way women are portrayed on the show, as do various commentators. As a dude, am I really in a position to say that they're wrong?
 
It's impossible to criticize 'hyper masculinity' when you make the pov characters people like Rust and Marty - handsome, cool, getting all the girls. There's also a difference between portraying the role of women from the perspective of the characters and just having sex scenes where a girl is riding someone - it's done entirely for the viewer, just like every other HBO and Showtime show
 
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