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[Cyberpunkd]

How is this not obvious?

So a few days ago I started reading Fire & Blood.

EVERY page was at least 5 new characters being introduced, if even for just that one time. This knight went here, that one over there, there was something happening over there, etc.

There is no way GRRM is not totally confused at this point where all the characters are and what each of them is doing.

You are not getting a new book.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

He'll just release the book in 2 parts

 

[cormack12]

Winds of Winter: Unfinished Symphony in G (rrm)

 

[Daneel Elijah]

At this point he will have to die for the book to advance honestly. The world he created is good enough. We got many books, 2 HBO series, and probably good games like Hogwards legacy, Batman and Spiderman will happen sooner or later. Winds of Winter is like Half life 3. it was fated not to happen. Better to think like that and maybe be pleasantly surprised in the future in my opinion.

 

[JokerMM]

GRR said it himsef the book he's writing is now the longest book he wrote
will we see the end of GOT? probably not, but the newest book will be realsed, whanever he fnishes it or die before he does

 

[DKehoe]

It'll be done when it's done. I don't see the point speculating on Martin's mindset about it when we don't really have anything to go on other than him saying he's working on it. It's a big complicated book. Up to this point there have been a bunch of distinct plot threads and this is the part where they all start tying together. We know from what has said before about the Meereenese Knot that figuring out how to integrate character threads together was the trickiest part of ADWD for him. He's also just a slow writer, as he himself admits. I'd rather we get the version he's happy with, even if it takes ages, rather than one he rushes just because some people want their next fix now.

 

[winjer]

Dude is 74, obese and lives in the US. And he takes more than a decade to write each book.
And he is constantly participating in other projects.
No way he is going to finish writing his saga.

 

[AJUMP23]

His publisher seems to think it is coming.

 

[Corpsepyre]

He should just release summaries of the last two books.

 

[LordOfChaos]

*fights down Wheel of Time author dying after 11 books PTSD*

 

[gaming_again]

I gave up hoping many years ago.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

I've accepted it and moved on to other series.

If it ever comes out, I may not even read it. I don't even really remember what's happened in the books at this point. I do remember the last two books weren't that great. I'd just be satisfied with a Wikipedia summary of how the series ends, honestly.

 

[Lunarorbit]

He's a complete and utter piece of shit. He's strung his loyal fans along for the last 12 or so years and in the process has raked in tens of millions with his lies.

I'm not even mad anymore cause I don't care; I just want to shit talk him every chance I get.

I didn't realize how big fire and blood was until I saw it in the store 2 days ago. It's a novel. I thought he did the companion book for the show and then this was a small accompanying item that filled in details. Plus it came out 5 years ago.

He's a complete fraud. Should have said that he couldn't finish the books after the HBO series ended. If he's under contract with them to not say that fuck him anyway.

 

[analog_future]

• In April 2011, shortly before the publication of A Dance with Dragons, which took him six years to write, Martin hoped that "the last two books will go a little quicker than this one has" and estimated that it would take "three years to finish the next one at a good pace". In a July 2011 interview, Martin acknowledged that his repeated estimating of publication dates that were not subsequently met had angered some of his fan base in the past, and at the time suggested he would not make them going forward.
• By October 2012, 400 pages of the sixth novel had been written, although Martin considered only the first 200 as "really finished", the rest still needing revisions
• In April 2013, Martin estimated that he had a quarter of the book.
• In April 2015, Martin said he would like to have it published before the sixth season of the HBO series Game of Thrones (which was to cover material from the book) aired in 2016; in September 2015, statements made by the Spanish editor and the Polish translator of the novel indicated that it was expected to be published in 2016.
• In January 2016, Martin confirmed that he had not met an end-of-year deadline that he had established with his publisher for release of the book before the sixth season of the HBO show. He added that completion of the book was "months away still... if the writing goes well". Martin also revealed there had been a previous deadline of October 2015 that he had considered achievable in May 2015, and that in September 2015 he had still considered the end-of-year deadline achievable. He confirmed that some of the plot of the book might be revealed on the show Game of Thrones but one of the showrunners, David Benioff, claimed that while certain key elements would be the same, the show would diverge from the book in many respects] In February 2016, Martin stated that he had dropped all his editing projects except for Wild Cards, and that he would not be writing anything before delivering The Winds of Winter.
• In 2017, Martin believed that The Winds of Winter would be released that same year. However, he also noted that he had believed the same thing would occur the previous year, and later that year he confirmed he was "still months away" from finishing the book, indicating it may not be published until 2018 or later, with Fire & Blood, the book on the history of House Targaryen, possibly preceding it. In April 2018, Martin confirmed that Fire & Blood would be published before The Winds of Winter, which would not be published in 2018; he indicated that Fire & Blood was the book his publisher wanted next. Since then, he has confirmed at least four times in 2018 that he was continuing work on The Winds of Winter. In April 2019, Martin said that the writing "has been going very well lately", and in May he wrote that if he did not have a copy of The Winds of Winter in hand for 2020 Worldcon New Zealand, Air New Zealand has his permission to imprison him on New Zealand's White Island until he finishes it. In October 2019, Martin said he hoped to finish The Winds of Winter "in the relatively near future", and after a Game of Thrones prequel, House of the Dragon, of which Martin is one of the executive producers, was announced, he stated that there was a lot of work to be done on the series but that he would not write any scripts for the series before finishing The Winds of Winter.
• In an interview published in January 2020, Martin said that while he was still working on The Winds of Winter, his primary focus, he also continues working with Nnedi Okorafor on a TV adaptation of her science fantasy novel Who Fears Death, for which he agreed to be executive producer in 2017. In March and April 2020, Martin stated that he was writing The Winds of Winter every day. In February 2021, Martin said he had written "hundreds and hundreds of pages" of The Winds of Winter in 2020 but that even though it had been the most productive year with regard to The Winds of Winter, he still had hundreds of pages to write; although he was hopeful of finishing in 2021, he did not want to make any predictions. In March 2022, Martin stated that he had made less progress in 2021 than in 2020, but emphasized that "'less' is not 'none'".
• During an appearance on the October 25, 2022, episode of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Martin said that approximately three quarters of The Winds of Winter had been written.

 

[Mossybrew]

I've accepted it and moved on to other series.

If it ever comes out, I may not even read it. I don't even really remember what's happened in the books at this point. I do remember the last two books weren't that great. I'd just be satisfied with a Wikipedia summary of how the series ends, honestly.

Yup, same. Last two books were mediocre. Really lost interest after that and don't care if another book ever comes out or not.

 

[winjer]

At this point he should just ask ChatGPT to finish writing his books. Maybe it wouldn't be as good and detailed, but at least we would have something.

 

[nightmare-slain]

yeah i realised this shit years ago.

i bought all the ASOIAF books in 2012 thinking surely he'll finish them there's only 2 books left! they'll be out before the show ends!

the set of books sat in my cupboard for a good 8-9 years without being touched before i finally got rid of them. some poor sucker out there can read them and be disappointed. i got about 2 books in and gave up. not that i thought they were bad.... i just didn't want to invest my time into them knowing they'd never be finished.

i also got rid of my Kingkiller Chronicles books! Patrick Rothfuss is a GRRM wanna-be.

 

[winjer]

yeah i realised this shit years ago.

i bought all the ASOIAF books in 2012 thinking surely he'll finish them there's only 2 books left! they'll be out before the show ends!

the set of books sat in my cupboard for a good 8-9 years without being touched before i finally got rid of them. some poor sucker out there can read them and be disappointed. i got about 2 books in and gave up. not that i thought they were bad.... i just didn't want to invest my time into them knowing they'd never be finished.

i also got rid of my Kingkiller Chronicles books! Patrick Rothfuss is a GRRM wanna-be.

I feel your pain.
I have considered getting rid of my Kingkiller Chronicles books and the Song of Ice and fire books. But I didn't get the courage to do it.

 

[DKehoe]

At this point he should just ask ChatGPT to finish writing his books. Maybe it wouldn't be as good and detailed, but at least we would have something.

The idea that writing is just about giving fans what they want feels pretty hollow.

 

[nightmare-slain]

I feel your pain.
I have considered getting rid of my Kingkiller Chronicles books and the Song and Ice books. But I didn't get the courage to do it.

I only read GoT and about half of Clash. i did think about going back to read them all and just come up with my own head canon of what happened but i still didn't want to spend the time reading them all. I got other shit to read. Maybe if I ever find myself stuck on what to read I'll buy them again. I actually also, stupidly, bought them all on Kindle but was pissed off at myself and permanently deleted them lol.

 

[winjer]

S

The idea that writing is just about giving fans what they want feels pretty hollow.

Writing half a saga, earning millions and then never finish the books, is kind of a bait and switch.
Maybe we should remember that the first book was released in 1996 and we are now in 2023.

 

[nightmare-slain]

Writing half a saga, earning millions and then never finish the books, is kind of a bait and switch.
Maybe we should remember that the first book was released in 1996 and we are now in 2023.

And with Patrick Rothfuss, the dude wrote two books and bailed. He teased to release a chapter of book 3 if a charity raised money. It did ($330k) and still no sign of the chapter after over a year.

 

[DKehoe]

Writing half a saga, earning millions and then never finish the books, is kind of a bait and switch.
Maybe we should remember that the first book was released in 1996 and we are now in 2023.

Saying he's never finishing the books seems presumptuous.

 

[gaming_again]

Saying he's never finishing the books seems presumptuous.

He’s due a giant heart attack any time soon. Look at him!

 

[winjer]

Saying he's never finishing the books seems presumptuous.

You are probably the only person around here that still believes he will ever finish this saga.
I wish you were right, but that seems very unlikely.

 

[DKehoe]

He’s due a giant heart attack any time soon. Look at him!

This kind of attitude people have around not getting their hit of franchise content is really weird.

You are probably the only person around here that still believes he will ever finish this saga.
I wish you were right, but that seems very unlikely.

I just find the entitlement you see from some people incredibly dull. He'll finish it when he finishes it. Like I said in an above post he says he's working on it so it is what it is and that's all we have to go on. There's no point speculating wildly, especially about his mortality. Maybe he decides he no longer wants to write it, which is fair enough that's his choice he doesn't owe anyone anything. But he hasn't said anything to indicate that so I'll just wait for it to come out. Plenty of other stuff to read in the meantime.

 

[winjer]

I just find the entitlement you see from some people incredibly dull. He'll finish it when he finishes it. Like I said in an above post he says he's working on it so it is what it is and that's all we have to go on. There's no point speculating wildly, especially about his mortality. Maybe he decides he no longer wants to write it, which is fair enough that's his choice he doesn't owe anyone anything. But he hasn't said anything to indicate that so I'll just wait for it to come out. Plenty of other stuff to read in the meantime.

Making millions by selling half of a saga, is a very scummy thing to do.
People invested time and money buying his books, TV shows and merchandize.
Yes, legally he can do whatever he wants, but his costumers are also free to complain about his bait and switch.

 

[gaming_again]

This kind of attitude people have around not getting their hit of franchise content is really weird.


I just find the entitlement you see from some people incredibly dull. He'll finish it when he finishes it. Like I said in an above post he says he's working on it so it is what it is and that's all we have to go on. There's no point speculating wildly, especially about his mortality. Maybe he decides he no longer wants to write it, which is fair enough that's his choice he doesn't owe anyone anything. But he hasn't said anything to indicate that so I'll just wait for it to come out. Plenty of other stuff to read in the meantime.

'Franchise content'? That is a grim phrase if I ever heard one.

I don't wish him any ill but I don't live in a fantasy land. He is nearing the end of his life and every indication is that he is bored of writing that book series. That is all this thread is saying.

 

[DKehoe]

Making millions by selling half of a saga, is a very scummy thing to do.
People invested time and money buying his books, TV shows and merchandize.
Yes, legally he can do whatever he wants, but his costumers are also free to complain about his bait and switch.

Just half-assing it feels scummier. And as I said, he has said he is working on it. So he's not abandoning it to swim about in his riches.

'Franchise content'? That is a grim phrase if I ever heard one.

I don't wish him any ill but I don't live in a fantasy land. He is nearing the end of his life and every indication is that he is bored of writing that book series. That is all this thread is saying.

That was kind of my point. The shift towards franchising and "content" seems to have led to a greater sense of entitlement among fans. That rather than being about the creator producing a piece of work they are happy with and can feel proud of it seems there's this attitude of people expecting the next installment on some kind of regular schedule rather than once it's ready. You have to admit, "He’s due a giant heart attack any time soon. Look at him!" does feel kinda mean spirited, no? Also, what are the indications that he is bored of writing that book series?

 

[Paltheos]

Time again for this topic, huh?
The books are dead as a doornail. If they come out, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
This topic itself has been dead for years, but I guess if it spreads awareness to not take anything GRRM says about progress seriously... yeah, sure.

 

[gaming_again]

Just half-assing it feels scummier. And as I said, he has said he is working on it. So he's not abandoning it to swim about in his riches.


That was kind of my point. The shift towards franchising and "content" seems to have led to a greater sense of entitlement among fans. That rather than being about the creator producing a piece of work they are happy with and can feel proud of it seems there's this attitude of people expecting the next installment on some kind of regular schedule rather than once it's ready. You have to admit, "He’s due a giant heart attack any time soon. Look at him!" does feel kinda mean spirited, no? Also, what are the indications that he is bored of writing that book series?

Okay it sounds a little mean but I felt I was stating the obvious.

The indications are that timeline somebody posted above and the fact that he's done a billion other things since putting out the last book. He's way more into other projects.

 

[DKehoe]

Okay it sounds a little mean but I felt I was stating the obvious.

The indications are that timeline somebody posted above and the fact that he's done a billion other things since putting out the last book. He's way more into other projects.

That's fair, I get that you didn't mean to be that harsh. But it is indicative of the waves of comments he receives. The guy has had to close comment sections on his blogs because he couldn't even talk about having watched a football game without a bunch of people saying he's a lazy fat fuck who is going to die soon. All that over a book's release being delayed and coming from his supposed fans. Just seems to me like a massive overreaction.

He's said he's working on it and that although working on different projects is part of how he does things ASOIAF is his main focus. People can speculate if they like but it's not like there's anything definitive to prove otherwise From what he has said before his process involves a lot of rewriting and writing up multiple versions of a section to see which suits best. It's a long process and one that can result in taking one step forward but two steps back but that's just how he works at this point. The story has gotten more complex and is therefore taking longer to produce. It'd be great if TWOW had been released already and I get people being frustrated that it's taken so long but it's just the nature of these things sometimes. Not everything is on a completely fixed timetable.

 

[Trunx81]

He’s probably just waiting for ChatGOT to write it for him.

 

[Blade2.0]

And with Patrick Rothfuss, the dude wrote two books and bailed. He teased to release a chapter of book 3 if a charity raised money. It did ($330k) and still no sign of the chapter after over a year.

I loved name of the wind. never got around to reading number 2.

 

[Dural]

i also got rid of my Kingkiller Chronicles books! Patrick Rothfuss is a GRRM wanna-be.

OMG, yes! I loved the first two books, it does seem GRRM rubbed off on him. I almost feel like I should wait until a series has completed before getting invested in it so I'm not disappointed when it doesn't get completed. The Netflix cycle, but with books.

 

[gaming_again]

If anybody is itching for some good new fantasy, Justice of Kings by Richard Swan is bloody excellent. He cites Witcher 3 as an inspiration.

The sequel has just come out too.

 

[Bragr]

He's a complete and utter piece of shit. He's strung his loyal fans along for the last 12 or so years and in the process has raked in tens of millions with his lies.

I'm not even mad anymore cause I don't care; I just want to shit talk him every chance I get.

I didn't realize how big fire and blood was until I saw it in the store 2 days ago. It's a novel. I thought he did the companion book for the show and then this was a small accompanying item that filled in details. Plus it came out 5 years ago.

He's a complete fraud. Should have said that he couldn't finish the books after the HBO series ended. If he's under contract with them to not say that fuck him anyway.

Ah, come on. He can write it how he wants, this is too extreme.

 

[Fools idol]

have you guys watched that interview he did with the actress who plays Shae? motherfucker eats like 7,000 calories a day and probably has arteries made of stone by now. He's on borrowed time

 

[YukiOnna]

That's fine, I'm not really interested in his series. I just like his worldbuilding, so I hope him and FROM Software work on another IP again.

 

[FunkMiller]

Of course he’s never finishing it, the lazy fat twat

 

[PSYGN]

AI will map it out and finish it for him.

 

[Lasha]

Making millions by selling half of a saga, is a very scummy thing to do.
People invested time and money buying his books, TV shows and merchandize.
Yes, legally he can do whatever he wants, but his costumers are also free to complain about his bait and switch.

How do you figure he sold half a saga? The first book came out 15 years before the show. Nobody cared until HBO made Game of Thrones around the time of the sixth book. He made his money from the TV show and those fans got an ending.

 

[Thaedolus]

It still hurts

 

[FunkMiller]

Gaf synergy has been achieved:

 

[BadBurger]

Yup, same. Last two books were mediocre. Really lost interest after that and don't care if another book ever comes out or not.

About a quarter of Dance felt pointless to me, like storylines destined to go nowhere.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

He's a complete and utter piece of shit. He's strung his loyal fans along for the last 12 or so years and in the process has raked in tens of millions with his lies.

I'm not even mad anymore cause I don't care; I just want to shit talk him every chance I get.

I didn't realize how big fire and blood was until I saw it in the store 2 days ago. It's a novel. I thought he did the companion book for the show and then this was a small accompanying item that filled in details. Plus it came out 5 years ago.

He's a complete fraud. Should have said that he couldn't finish the books after the HBO series ended. If he's under contract with them to not say that fuck him anyway.

You definitely are and you definitely do.

Chill the fuck out man, it’s just a book.

 

[Ionian]

If the first sentence is...

Penny dies.

Then I'm in.

 

[Nobody_Important]

GRRM Didn't write Fire and Blood by himself.

 

[Ionian]

GRRM Didn't write Fire and Blood by himself.

Yup mostly written by two fans.

They given outlines and he gave the nod.

They were also hugely critical of the HBO version. They reviewed every episode.

I read the books but not theirs as I didn't trust them.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Yup mostly written by two fans.

They given outlines and he gave the nod.

They were also hugely critical of the HBO version. They reviewed every episode.

I read the books but not theirs as I didn't trust them.

They are all great. The show took liberties from the books, but the product from all sides is better for Fire and Blood existing. It did so much to grow the setting to Harry Potter levels and damn near Tolkien.


I say that as a lifelong fan of the series.