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Variety: When Superman and Batman Copyrights Expire in a Decade, Will It Be Kryptonite for DC?

RedC

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About a decade ago, Zack Snyder developed a storyline for the DC Extended Universe that involved Bruce Wayne impregnating Lois Lane.
The subplot in which Batman cuckolds Superman was poised to unfold in “Justice League,” with Batman dying in the sequel and Lois raising their spawn with Superman. Snyder’s vision for Wonder Woman was equally unorthodox, with visuals featuring a superheroine who brandished the decapitated heads of her conquered enemies like an ISIS jihadi.

Warner Bros. and DC Studios — which hold a firm grip on their intellectual property — rejected Snyder’s ideas, which were deemed “super creepy,” according to a source familiar with the back and forth. (DC declined to comment for this story. A representative for Snyder did not respond to a request for comment.) But in the next decade, artists and rival studios won’t need permission to create their own take on the characters.

A sad fact of Hollywood is that while superheroes never truly die, all copyrights do. On Jan. 1, Disney lost control of “Steamboat Willie,” and within 24 hours two horror-comedies starring Mickey Mouse were announced. The DC characters are the next major expirations looming on the horizon. Superman and Lois Lane will enter the public domain in 2034, followed by Batman in 2035, the Joker in 2036 and Wonder Woman in 2037.

Chris Sims, a comic book author and Batman expert, expects a flood of unauthorized Batman comics to hit the stands as soon as the copyright expires.

“There’s going to be 100 of them,” he says. “They’re going to have them ready to go.” Movie producers will also be able to make their own versions — much as they already do with public domain characters like Dracula and Robin Hood — though in the beginning they will have to stick to the original versions of the characters.

“You get Batman, but you don’t get Robin,” Sims says. “You get Superman, but you don’t get kryptonite.”

The initial Superman could only leap — not fly. “Those characteristics are going to fall into the public domain one by one,” says Amanda Schreyer, media and entertainment lawyer at Morse.

DC has been preparing for this for years. At a press event in 2023, CEO James Gunn noted that the next Superman film will introduce characters from “The Authority,” a comic series that launched in 1999, in part because the Superman copyright is about to expire.

Jay Kogan, DC’s deputy general counsel, laid out a strategy to protect characters that fall into the public domain in a 2001 article. Since only the older versions lose protection, he urged: “Keep ’em fresh and up-to-date.”

“By gradually changing the literary and visual characteristics of a character over time, a character owner can keep whatever the then-current image of the character is as the de facto standard in the public consciousness,” he wrote.

The company has done a good job of updating Superman, argues Steven Beer, an IP lawyer at Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith.

“The public’s perception is the contemporary Superman. It’s distinctive,” he says. “That gives them a lot of protection.”

Another tactic: Maintain a high level of quality control.

“The public should be conditioned to view any works from unrelated parties featuring a trademark owner’s characters as second-rate knockoffs,” Kogan wrote.

Kogan also suggested that trademarks could be used to block the use of a character’s name, image and slogan even after the copyright expires.


But trademark is not a cloak of immunity, argues Jennifer Jenkins, director of Duke’s Center for the Study of the Public Domain. “That only prevents uses that are likely to cause consumer confusion about source or sponsorship,” she says.

In other words, the characters’ names should be fair game, so long as it’s clear that the depiction is not coming from DC.

“You could still create a Superman horror movie or Batman horror movie,” says Jonathan Steinsapir, an IP attorney at KHIKS. “You just need to be careful about how you advertise it and how you use images of Superman in a branding sense.”

DC has done a careful job of tying the characters to itself by trademarking the terms “Man of Steel” and “Caped Crusader,” as well as Superman’s “S” and Batman’s logo.

“The bat symbol is a very strong mark,” Schreyer says. “That is going to limit what subsequent creators can do.”

Even so, expect the mid-2030s to see a glut of off-brand superhero content.

“People will make a run at these characters because there’s money to be made,” says Mark Waid, a comic book author and historian best known for his work on DC Comics titles like “Superman: Birthright.” “Or how about Superman versus Godzilla. It’s a gray area. But this town works on the speed of capitalism, right? That’s how we work.”

Sims believes more superhero comics will be a good thing. But the idea that there will be a Superman renaissance is oversold, he says.

“It’s gonna come down to execution,” Sims says. “There’s one company that’s used to doing it.”

Steinsapir says nothing would keep Snyder from making a non-Warners film featuring the DC troika.

“Zack Snyder could reshoot it and make his own new iteration of it,” he says. “You just need to be careful. For example, he definitely couldn’t call it ‘Justice League.’”
 
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Little Mac

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“The subplot in which Batman cuckolds Superman was poised to unfold in “Justice League,” with Batman dying in the sequel and Lois raising their spawn with Superman. Snyder’s vision for Wonder Woman was equally unorthodox, with visuals featuring a superheroine who brandished the decapitated heads of her conquered enemies like an ISIS jihadi.”

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OneBigPuss

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Slow news week so we need to shit something controversial. Im tired of this sensational articles to stir something about nothing.
The story about Lois and Bruce was created before Batman v Superman so when the BvS was released it was already scraped but because Snyder revealed it before his cut of JL it became an ammunition for the haters like it supposed to be in the sequel of his version (which already was scraped but we need to talk about something right?).
The article above is a nothing burger to stir up conrovery from nothing but we need to write some bullshit to have 5 minutes of fame.
 
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RedC

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Slow news week so we need to shit something controversial. Im tired of this sensational articles to stir something about nothing.
The story about Lois and Bruce was created before Batman v Superman so when the BvS was released it was already scraped but because Snyder revealed it before his cut of JL it became an ammunition for the haters like it supposed to be in the sequel of his version (which already was scraped but we need to talk about something right?).
The article above is a nothing burger to stir up conrovery from nothing but we need to write some bullshit to have 5 minutes of fame.
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The article is about the following DC characters entering the public domain and how DC is protecting themselves: Superman and Lois Lane in 2034, followed by Batman in 2035, the Joker in 2036, and Wonder Woman in 2037
 
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Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Wow we might get a good Superman game this century if they let literally any studio take a stab at it. No more waiting on DC to get its shit together.
 

OneBigPuss

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The article is about the following DC characters entering the public domain and how DC is protecting themselves: Superman and Lois Lane in 2034, followed by Batman in 2035, the Joker in 2036, and Wonder Woman in 2037
You are right. I was reacting to the start of the article that is really stupid in comparison to the whole article.
 
DC going public? Holy shit. I did not think of it.

I wonder when Marvel is going public? I guess due Stan Lee living long time it will take many more years to become public.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
You are right. I was reacting to the start of the article that is really stupid in comparison to the whole article.

No you just missed the whole point of the article because it used Zaddy's shitty plot as a basis for its point. Don't worry, in 2035 he can make his Batman raped in prison movie.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Seems like while the story is public domain for a lot of still relevant IP, so far there are entities that have been pretty successful in keeping the Named Characters out of the spotlight unless they get a piece of the action but claiming trademark rights. Tarzan, I think Zorro, Sherlock Holmes (though that was recently settled I think in 'our' favor) stuff like that. Provbably wouldn't stand up to a court battle, but these trademark claimants just want to get a cut of the project, basically a grift. Hopefully our legislative system will do their jobs for once and make a clear legal "use rights" law about it.

Though if you look back at those early stories or comics and remove what later movies and artists have added, some are barely recognizable and that "known IP" quality just isn't there.

But it would be nice to get stuff firmly in the public domain and get corporations off the "let's just sit on our shit for CENTURIES".
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Now I want Snyder to make a hard-R version of the "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" story as superman works his way through the DC female roster trying to find one what can hold his.....output :p
 

FunkMiller

Member
Frankly, there's so much of all those characters that was introduced after their initial conception, that it's going to be very hard for anyone to make something without incurring a heavy legal challenge from WB.
 

Skyfox

Member
Say someone uses superman (without kryptonite or whatever) and makes a video and then someone else copies that video.

Is that allowed?
 
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