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Xbox Series's Retail mode no longer allowing emulators, Xbox starts banning users (15 day suspension warnings)
- Thread starter Bernoulli
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kiphalfton
Member
Even less incentive to buy an Xbox. Good job Microsoft.
Terrible thread title.
It’s about running emulators on Xbox in ‘retail mode’. Basically the standard mode you boot your Xbox into.
Fredrik
Member
No fun allowed.
At what point do we pass the line where it would be better to just ditch the Xbox and have a living room PC instead?
Serious question, what are the downsides?
Would I miss XB1, 360, Xbox games or are those emulated on PC?
I really just want one box to run old and new games. No jank.
At what point do we pass the line where it would be better to just ditch the Xbox and have a living room PC instead?
Serious question, what are the downsides?
Would I miss XB1, 360, Xbox games or are those emulated on PC?
I really just want one box to run old and new games. No jank.
I mean, if Valve is caving to Nintendo, I’m not sure what anyone expects MS to do.
Those are emulated on PC. If you can build a SFF PC that’s powerful enough, go for it.
Fredrik
Member
Have you used Dev mode?
I would probably be able to load a game on C64 from cassette tape before I’m back in the menu when rebooting to dev mode.
It’s not convenient.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Fredrik
Member
Emulated without issues?
Can I use my old discs?
Would I miss out on frame boost or could I get that through emulators?
What’s a SFF PC?
List all the downsides. I’m seriously considering this. Would mean I could play Starfield with mods and at 60fps in the couch with home theater sound
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
Retail mode let's you install emulators
ReBurn
Gold Member
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
From my experience emulation is far from perfect, although it iis a few months back it was not really stable with lots of dips...That beiing said my emulator has been updated like 10 times since so maybe it is better now.And it is also possible that I wanted to play the wrong games too.Emulated without issues?
Can I use my old discs?
Would I miss out on frame boost or could I get that through emulators?
What’s a SFF PC?
List all the downsides. I’m seriously considering this. Would mean I could play Starfield with mods and at 60fps in the couch with home theater sound
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Arrogant Microsoft is back!!
Is that how it works? /s
Is that how it works? /s
Emulated without issues?
Can I use my old discs?
Would I miss out on frame boost or could I get that through emulators?
What’s a SFF PC?
List all the downsides. I’m seriously considering this. Would mean I could play Starfield with mods and at 60fps in the couch with home theater sound
SFF = ‘small form factor’. Just means your PC in a compact, attractive case. Nobody wants an ugly monstrosity in their living room.
With a powerful enough GPU and CPU combo, you can build a PC significantly more powerful than any console. People are fitting powerful CPUs and RTX 4000 series GPUs in small cases
Of course, it’s much more expensive than an xbox…
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
What's with the weird handshake on the ban notice? Looks like the shape of a heart! lmao
Xbox when banning a customer on their platform
Xbox when banning a customer on their platform
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Neogaf on a roll.
the_master
Member
Much less convenient
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Dev mode it up. If you are tinkering you are cool for that.
For xbox to even give you the option is leagues ahead of other platforms but everything xbox must be span as a negative.
For xbox to even give you the option is leagues ahead of other platforms but everything xbox must be span as a negative.
Negotiator101
Member
Damigos
Member
Exactly my question.
By the way, it should not be allowed from the beginning. Changes like that will disappoint users
Fredrik
Member
Could we start a serious thread about a Xbox to PC swap for the living room? No platform warring allowed, only serious talk. Is it possible? Maybe with help from mods to keep the talk serious?
With no emulators and MS not doing a Pro I’m thinking I’ll use the XSX much less going forward, will use PS5 Pro for multiplats, leaving XSX used for 1st party games and some of those I already play on PC, plus the occasional console exclusive Gamepass release. The kids play some Lego games and Viva Pinata too.
But I need unbiased and detailed info about all the upsides and downsides before doing a swap, all the real consequences from seriously not owning a Xbox. ”Just buy a PC” has never been a realistic option.
Plus, I would like case recommendations, fans vs AIO water cooling, etc
Tips for emulators needed for XB/360/XB1, possible consequences there too and if possible tips how to work around issues and avoid jank.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Well you won't find any more jank than on Windows. However, it's made by the same people who did the Xbox OS, so..
Pegasus Actual
Member
You know who else banned you for using emulators?
Hitler. Adolf Hitler.
Hitler. Adolf Hitler.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Is this rolling out internationally and how much impact will this have on their market share in certain regions?
Did this happen back then or just recently?
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RobRSG
Member
I also think it is less convenient, but it was the only sane choice in my thinking. I did Dev Mode from the get go to avoid getting on white lists, Discord channels, potential MS blocks and bans.
And it paid off in the end.
If you want to depend on shady builds just because you want convenience at the cost of the uncertainty if things will work on the next day or not, be my guest.
RobRSG
Member
Unknown Soldier
Member
TIL Xbox has a Developer Mode that lets you install anything you want including emulators and pirate games and it only costs $20
I'm amazed Microsoft allows this TBH
I'm amazed Microsoft allows this TBH
Fredrik
Member
I use Windows every day. Zero jank.
And the computer is always on. Steam up. Takes seconds to start gaming.
On Xbox I first have to go into a menu to reboot in dev mode, I clocked it when dev mode was new but can’t remember the time now, was a couple minutes, it’s not like a normal reboot.
Team Andromeda
Member
At what point can't you just buy Dev mode?
Team Andromeda
Member
Nintendo?
Fredrik
Member
I’ve had dev mode for many years.
Team Andromeda
Member
So what's your issue then?
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Fredrik
Member
That’s the main issue. It just takes too long to reboot, essentially means I don’t bother using it.
In retail mode it’s just like going through the normal app list, takes seconds to go from Hi-Fi Rush to Super Metroid and then back again.
RobRSG
Member
I think the big elephant in the room is that people treat the whole topic of “emulation on retail mode” as it was something advertised like a feature by MS. And now that MS takes point, probably because of Xenia got too close to the sun (I mean it runs X360 games they were unable to secure licenses for the BC), they are angry.
Then you get comments like “one less reason to buy a Xbox” and other brain dead similar stuff.
DevMode is still open to the public and it is worth for what it is, you switch to it, play your retro stuff, switch back to retail whenever you want. Headache zero, and free of PC jank.
Then you get comments like “one less reason to buy a Xbox” and other brain dead similar stuff.
DevMode is still open to the public and it is worth for what it is, you switch to it, play your retro stuff, switch back to retail whenever you want. Headache zero, and free of PC jank.
