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Xbox Series X will apparently support HDR10+ as well as Dolby Vision

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Source: https://www.whathifi.com/news/xbox-series-x-will-apparently-support-hdr10-as-well-as-dolby-vision

Polygon's Chris Plante has put together a useful Xbox Series X FAQ piece and, nestled about halfway down, is this little tidbit: "In an email, a Microsoft representative confirmed Xbox Series X supports HDR10+".

Now, that still leaves a lot unanswered – is HDR10+ going to be baked into games or will it just be for streaming services? What about 4K Blu-rays?

For those who don't already know the ins and outs of the various HDR formats, we've got an HDR explainer right here, but the short version is that standard HDR10 uses what's called 'static metadata' to dictate the parameters of the HDR signal for the duration of a film or game, while Dolby Vision and HDR10+ use 'dynamic metadata', which allows the parameters of the HDR signal to be adjusted on the fly.

The upside is that, when applied correctly, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ can produce more dynamic images with greater subtlety and detail. It can be particularly effective for mid-range TVs, as the picture can be tailored somewhat to the specific limitations of the display.
 

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This is nice for Samsung owners once the question is answered for HDR+. Has there been any mention of games coming with Dolby Vision down the line. Seems to be HDR which in its own has had issues on some games.
 

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I dont understand this:

The upside is that, when applied correctly, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ can produce more dynamic images with greater subtlety and detail. It can be particularly effective for mid-range TVs, as the picture can be tailored somewhat to the specific limitations of the display.

Since when does HDR favor mid range?

Oh wait...Chris Plante...NVM.

On topic, Seems like the licensing and stuff for Vision might not be ready fo launch? I believe they said Vision for games is coming in 2021.
 
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HDR10+ allows for more range with more brightness and it's supposedly dynamic. I've yet to experience it with any of the devices that I have. My Samsung Q70 does not even do Dolby Vision so I'll never be able to compare. :(
 

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I think Dolby vision wins out. Has a better marketing name and buzz term, but it is great that all formats are supported. I want to see geometry wars in the HDR upgrade.
 
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If PS5 had supported Atmos for Blu Rays, I would have bought one for my son and one for myself.

As it stands, it looks like we're getting XBoxes.
 

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The news that worries me more, The Series X won't support Dolby Vision for 4k blu-rays, at least not out of the box.
I hope I am wrong on that one.
 

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I dont understand this:

The upside is that, when applied correctly, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ can produce more dynamic images with greater subtlety and detail. It can be particularly effective for mid-range TVs, as the picture can be tailored somewhat to the specific limitations of the display.

Since when does HDR favor mid range?

Oh wait...Chris Plante...NVM.

On topic, Seems like the licensing and stuff for Vision might not be ready fo launch? I believe they said Vision for games is coming in 2021.

HDR10 (when part of a film/tv show) supplies what is called the MaxCLL/MaxFALL, one being the brightest single pixel value in the entire stream, and the other being the average brightness for the entire stream. This allows the TV to adjust its brightness so it gives the best quality, but also doesn't damage itself. DV/HDR10+ supply these brightness values per cut. So around 500 or so times per hour perhaps.

Videogames don't have cuts, and I'm unsure of the implementation for dynamic content - but HDR10+ and DV are always going to be a better choice.
 
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HDR10 (when part of a film/tv show) supplies what is called the MaxCLL/MaxFALL, one being the brightest single pixel value in the entire stream, and the other being the average brightness for the entire stream. This allows the TV to adjust its brightness so it gives the best quality, but also doesn't damage itself. DV/HDR10+ supply these brightness values per cut. So around 500 or so times per hour perhaps.

Videogames don't have cuts, and I'm unsure of the implementation for dynamic content - but HDR10+ and DV are always going to be a better choice.

I was pointing more towards how HDR and DV favors mid range?
 

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I was pointing more towards how HDR and DV favors mid range?

Because HDR10+ and DV are more dynamic in nature. The TV can get brighter or darker depending on the scene. For cheaper LCD televisions this will likely produce a better picture. HDR10 is getting a little old now.
 

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Because HDR10+ and DV are more dynamic in nature. The TV can get brighter or darker depending on the scene. For cheaper LCD televisions this will likely produce a better picture. HDR10 is getting a little old now.

Maybe I am just reading the sentence wrong. Because to me it sounds like hes saying that it favor mid range over high end.
 

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Maybe I am just reading the sentence wrong. Because to me it sounds like hes saying that it favor mid range over high end.

For sets with say, a much worse peak brightness, they might need to adjust their brightness settings on a scene by scene basis to get a more optimal experience with normal HDR, as they have a narrow range in which any scene will look correct, as normal HDR has a one profile for the entire game/movie/media. With Dolby vision or hdr+ the content itself has scene by scene meta data which can help adjust things, which will look better on any set, but help out lower end sets especially. Iirc.
 
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Actually this gen of Xbox has that combi already .

Didn't know that. But still, how many current-gen games actually utilize HDR, or anything more than a 5.1 sound setup? I guess/hope that both standards will be much more widely utilized on the new consoles, given dedicated audio chip and if not native then at least the auto-HDR feature.
 

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pretty sure you would have to pay for it.
And I would happily pay for it, like I did Dolby Atmos but unlike Atmos, I am betting Microsoft won't offer it. Vincent video suspects it is a hardware issue which would suck.
Decoding DV on a 4k Blu-Ray is a little more intensive then a Netflix stream.
 

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For games and streaming services only. sucks.

Which is what I really care for in a gaming console TBH. As for the movies, music, streams etc. I'm starting to see that physical distribution is slowly but surely being left behind, as it's fixed to the hardware, whereas digital media can always be updated on the fly on the server side.
 

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Which is what I really care for in a gaming console TBH. As for the movies, music, streams etc. I'm starting to see that physical distribution is slowly but surely being left behind, as it's fixed to the hardware, whereas digital media can always be updated on the fly on the server side.

but the best implementation of DV is in UHD blu ray movies. That’s where it really shines compared to other apps.
 

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I just need one of them to do movie playback in dolby vison.....pleeeeeease

the only saving grace is( if you are an HT enthusiast as well as a game enthusiast) avr and 2.1 is a bad deal right now so you’ll have to rewire everything to take advantage because you’re going to need to go direct to tv with consoles to take advantage of 2.1
If you have earc
 

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My LG C6 has an older version of DV but Netflix and what not still play great via the TV. However the One X used to say that it didn't support the older version. So had to use HDR10 via the console.

It would be nice if the disc and streaming worked with all versions of DV on the new Series consoles.
 

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the only saving grace is( if you are an HT enthusiast as well as a game enthusiast) avr and 2.1 is a bad deal right now so you’ll have to rewire everything to take advantage because you’re going to need to go direct to tv with consoles to take advantage of 2.1
If you have earc
im not a big sound guy, i just have a sonos playbar and sub hooked up to optical. My C9 does have eArc I think
 
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but the best implementation of DV is in UHD blu ray movies. That’s where it really shines compared to other apps.

Well those who really want the best of the best will have to opt for a separate BD player, but given the nature of consoles which is to be as affordable as possible to reach as many households as possible, I'm not really surprised they don't utilize the newest tech when it comes to their secondary purpose. It's a shame tho, maybe they'll be able to add the support somewhere later via FW update, but if not, not many people will ever even notice.
 

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the test explaining what happen on xbox one x
edit :the description make the test not clear
edit2: trustable source confirm it was fixed. so what is Vincent talking about ?
 
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Well those who really want the best of the best will have to opt for a separate BD player, but given the nature of consoles which is to be as affordable as possible to reach as many households as possible, I'm not really surprised they don't utilize the newest tech when it comes to their secondary purpose. It's a shame tho, maybe they'll be able to add the support somewhere later via FW update, but if not, not many people will ever even notice.

it’s not the tech. It’s the license. They should both be capable with a firmware update
 

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I'm not doubting you, but have you seen a source with this? Because I haven't seen that anywhere yet.

This is true for every Blu-ray player on the planet... Even PS3 Slim can bitstream Dolby Atmos , why PS5 wouldn't?

Again, the decoding is done by the AV receiver NOT by the Blu-ray player
 
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PS5 supports Dolby Atmos for Blu-rays. it simply bitstreams to the AV Receiver. No player decodes Atmos by itself
This is false Information. The PlayStation 5 does not support Dolby Atmos or any other Dolby feature because Sony did NOT bought licenses to use the features in the PlayStation 5.
 

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This is false Information. The PlayStation 5 does not support Dolby Atmos or any other Dolby feature because Sony did NOT bought licenses to use the features in the PlayStation 5.


"In the case of the Sony® Playstation® platform, both the PS3™* and PS4™ are capable of performing bitstream pass-through of Dolby formats when content is played back from a Blu-Ray disc™"

Sony did not bought license too for PS3 and PS4, but the other guy said, can pass-through it for Blu-ray movies. So the one spreading false information is you.
 
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Which is what I really care for in a gaming console TBH. As for the movies, music, streams etc. I'm starting to see that physical distribution is slowly but surely being left behind, as it's fixed to the hardware, whereas digital media can always be updated on the fly on the server side.
I want my brand spanking new tech device to handle something that is a couple of years old. I don't want to keep around my LG 4K Blu-Ray player just for DV discs.
Now I am reading that like the Xbox One X and S, the DV on the Series S and X will be software based which is bad news. It is very close to just telling it to show the Dolby Vision tag when HDR comes up.
 

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This is false Information. The PlayStation 5 does not support Dolby Atmos or any other Dolby feature because Sony did NOT bought licenses to use the features in the PlayStation 5.

You don't know how a Blu-ray player works, that's your problem.... PS5 doesn't decode anything. It's a simple passthrough to the AV Receiver exactly like PS3 Slim and PS4 do....

It's called bitstream.....