I think it does, but also doesn't. There are a lot of variables.That still doesn’t answer why we have been getting cross gen games for the games that have come out since covid.
I get that the install base is bigger on last gen consoles but at what point will the cord be cut so more focus could be placed on building games for next gen from the ground up.
Again, I am hopefully we get something to be excited about this summer but right now things aren’t looking good.
Were you not around during previous games, or do you just have very selective memory?That still doesn’t answer why we have been getting cross gen games for the games that have come out since covid.
I get that the install base is bigger on last gen consoles but at what point will the cord be cut so more focus could be placed on building games for next gen from the ground up.
Again, I am hopefully we get something to be excited about this summer but right now things aren’t looking good.
I just meant that it is a likely, and well-accepted excuse. For current gen, I think there are a lot more expectations from consumers, and what dev wouldn't jump at the chance to further improve/polish their game if given the chance?That still doesn’t answer why we have been getting cross gen games for the games that have come out since covid.
I get that the install base is bigger on last gen consoles but at what point will the cord be cut so more focus could be placed on building games for next gen from the ground up.
Again, I am hopefully we get something to be excited about this summer but right now things aren’t looking good.
Remember 2014?
Must be your first console launch
Agree. Im still baffled that there werent any Series Consoles only made games at launch.This generation is a joke. There is nothing “next gen” about it. It’s particularly egregious on the Microsoft side of things. There is barely anything worth upgrading to if you own a last gen system (more so if you own a PS4 Pro or X1X). To the people attempting to compare the launch of the PS4/X1 to this - you must be living in la la land. There has never been a console launch without at least one next gen showcase title. Killzone Shadow Fall and Ryse are examples I could site but every console generation worked the same till now.
Considering the drought of 1st party games for the last couple of years on Xbox it baffles me that there isn’t at least 5 or 6 next gen launch window games. This whole “we don’t believe in generations” crap is gonna be their downfall as new hardware uptick will be terrible. Phil Spencer has done a lot of things right but he has really dropped the ball here. I get that it’s all about selling services but we will be stuck with X1 as the lowest denominator for years to come if he doesn’t shift enough series units over the next couple of years.
I have both a PS5 and Series X.
I think there is more than one reason.The lack of native next gen games is very puzzling to me, it’s almost has if none of the companies knew the PS5 and Series X was coming out or weren’t prepared for these new consoles.
I understand that E3 will take place in June and we will get a clearer picture of the games that will be announced for later in the year but it seems more so than any other gen we have been getting mostly cross gen games which is so strange.
Even the next gen upgrades for games like cyberpunk, doom eternal, metro exodus, etc. have still not been released with no clear release date.
Thoughts?
You would've simply bitched about a delay too.^So because something sucked before, it should continue to suck going forward?
Sony and MS should have learned from those launches. They could have delayed the PS5/Series X a year or two until they had more native games for each console. But these consoles have still sold out so I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
Its just frustrating because at this point all we are getting from these new consoles is slightly upgraded PS4 and Xbox one games which does not make sense because then why did they waste time releasing these consoles now in the first place. When E3/summer games happens this summer, I will be very curious to see how many big games will be cross gen.
I agree that its frustrating as someone who owns a ps5 and series x, but they are right, the first year of any console launch is typically somewhat barren. Ps2 and switch are outliers in this regard^So because something sucked before, it should continue to suck going forward?
Sony and MS should have learned from those launches. They could have delayed the PS5/Series X a year or two until they had more native games for each console. But these consoles have still sold out so I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
Its just frustrating because at this point all we are getting from these new consoles is slightly upgraded PS4 and Xbox one games which does not make sense because then why did they waste time releasing these consoles now in the first place. When E3/summer games happens this summer, I will be very curious to see how many big games will be cross gen.
I do agree that its baffling that microsoft had NO new games ready for their new console launch. They have all these studios and no one else besides 343 was making any launch games?This generation is a joke. There is nothing “next gen” about it. It’s particularly egregious on the Microsoft side of things. There is barely anything worth upgrading to if you own a last gen system (more so if you own a PS4 Pro or X1X). To the people attempting to compare the launch of the PS4/X1 to this - you must be living in la la land. There has never been a console launch without at least one next gen showcase title. Killzone Shadow Fall and Ryse are examples I could site but every console generation worked the same till now.
Considering the drought of 1st party games for the last couple of years on Xbox it baffles me that there isn’t at least 5 or 6 next gen launch window games. This whole “we don’t believe in generations” crap is gonna be their downfall as new hardware uptick will be terrible. Phil Spencer has done a lot of things right but he has really dropped the ball here. I get that it’s all about selling services but we will be stuck with X1 as the lowest denominator for years to come if he doesn’t shift enough series units over the next couple of years.
I have both a PS5 and Series X.
Welcome to the last 12 years of PC gaming. Come on in, the waters nice.Its just frustrating because at this point all we are getting from these new consoles is slightly upgraded PS4 and Xbox one games which does not make sense because then why did they waste time releasing these consoles now in the first place. When E3/summer games happens this summer, I will be very curious to see how many big games will be cross gen.
Last gen to this gen is the biggest BC transition ever. So game companies are skewing to updating existing games with boosts as their way of promoting next gen features.The lack of native next gen games is very puzzling to me, it’s almost has if none of the companies knew the PS5 and Series X was coming out or weren’t prepared for these new consoles.
I understand that E3 will take place in June and we will get a clearer picture of the games that will be announced for later in the year but it seems more so than any other gen we have been getting mostly cross gen games which is so strange.
Even the next gen upgrades for games like cyberpunk, doom eternal, metro exodus, etc. have still not been released with no clear release date.
Thoughts?
This is always Microsoft's problem: in order to justify the Xbox division to the higher ups Xbox management have to spin a lot of corporate bullshit about new market paradigms and such and they wind up believing their own nonsense. A significant chunk of Xbox management probably actually believed that console generations were dead, you don't need exclusives, games as a service, blah blah blah. Just like they believed in TVTVTV and no used games back in 2013.I do agree that its baffling that microsoft had NO new games ready for their new console launch. They have all these studios and no one else besides 343 was making any launch games?
I purchased a Oculus Quest 2 yesterday ....me ancient crappy button-mashing games? Yeah, where's that
I plan on getting my Momma a Quest 2 for her birthday. She came over to my house and played Beat Saber on my Vive and became addicted. VR is the future, not everyone gets that yet.you mean more pixels, more polygons and more rays for the same ancient crappy button-mashing games? Yeah, where's that?
because true nextgen gaming has been here for the past 5 years and you've been missing it...
Not entirely true, the games that you're seeing now started development years ago and were already in midst of production, as you're well aware since you just mentioned it. A game scheduled to come out now, started life in 2016 or even earlier, when did ps4 come out again? The games that are in pre-pro now, or have recently entered production are the ones that will look great. I currently work for the big B that got acquired by the big M, all the games currently in development were for ps4, Xbo, etc. The ones in pre-pro are the ones looking to take advantage of the new systems and it's similar across the industry.I think what the OP is saying is that the games that have been released so far on consoles have been lackluster as far as graphics go. And he's right. Many of these games may have had last gen targets and staff simply isn't going to rebuild assets for higher quality when they need to get the game shipped out.
I will agree though that we should see something looking remotely better than what's been coming out this year. We shouldn't have to wait until 2022-2023 in order to see some good stuff.
Its a bummer because i love the series x so far, i use it more than my ps5, its a great, ultra powerful, quiet af console. But there is nothing out yet that really puts its power to use. Ps5 has demons souls and spiderman, microsoft has nothing like that yet, in fact halo will probably be the only big NEW series x/s game they put out this year, and that shit should have been out last yearThis is always Microsoft's problem: in order to justify the Xbox division to the higher ups Xbox management have to spin a lot of corporate bullshit about new market paradigms and such and they wind up believing their own nonsense. A significant chunk of Xbox management probably actually believed that console generations were dead, you don't need exclusives, games as a service, blah blah blah. Just like they believed in TVTVTV and no used games back in 2013.
Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition |
Angry Birds Star Wars |
Battlefield 4 |
Call of Duty: Ghosts |
Contrast |
FIFA 14 |
Flower |
Forced |
Just Dance 2014 |
Killzone Shadow Fall |
Knack |
Lego Marvel Super Heroes |
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag |
Escape Plan |
Doki-Doki Universe |
Flow |
Don't Starve |
King Oddball |
Lego Movie Videogame |
Basement Crawl |
Awesomenauts Assemble |
Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition |
Infamous Second Son |
Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends Complete Edition |
Fez |
Lego The Hobbit |
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn |
Backgammon Blitz |
Cel Damage HD |
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |
Child of Light |
Daylight |
Bound by Flame |
Jet Car Stunts |
1001 Spikes |
Entwined |
EA Sports UFC |
Blue Estate |
Another World: 20th Anniversary Edition |
Guacamelee! Super Turbo Championship Edition |
The Last of Us Remastered |
Hohokum |
CounterSpy |
Diablo III |
Hotline Miami |
The Last Tinker: City of Colors |
The Golf Club |
Destiny |
This is nothing new. I don't get why people always questions this. It's all about money and install base and covid is not helping. When Xbox one and ps4 launched, we had cross gen titles until early 2015. Deal with it.That still doesn’t answer why we have been getting cross gen games for the games that have come out since covid.
I get that the install base is bigger on last gen consoles but at what point will the cord be cut so more focus could be placed on building games for next gen from the ground up.
Again, I am hopefully we get something to be excited about this summer but right now things aren’t looking good.
Companies are going to do this calculation:Over a million PS5 and Series X consoles have been sold already. Money can definitely be made off next gen right now.
Holding back games is only going to slow down the transition from last gen to current. It would make more sense especially for new IP to release now to build a base before bigger games start to be released for the consoles because people on next gen are desperate right now to play next gen games.
When returnal comes out and if it reviews well, I would not be surprised to see that game sell well because of this drought.
And the best game in that first year was cross-genNintendo Switch had the most glorious first year.
Can you name the 6 next-gen exclusives on PS5? And how many Xbox exclusives has been released or will be this year?These are the games that released in NA on PS4 from it's release till September, the bolded games are what released as next gen only titles
Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition Angry Birds Star Wars Battlefield 4 Call of Duty: Ghosts Contrast FIFA 14 Flower Forced Just Dance 2014 Killzone Shadow Fall Knack Lego Marvel Super Heroes Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag Escape Plan Doki-Doki Universe Flow Don't Starve King Oddball Lego Movie Videogame Basement Crawl Awesomenauts Assemble Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition Infamous Second Son Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends Complete Edition Fez Lego The Hobbit Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Backgammon Blitz Cel Damage HD The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Child of Light Daylight Bound by Flame Jet Car Stunts 1001 Spikes Entwined EA Sports UFC Blue Estate Another World: 20th Anniversary Edition Guacamelee! Super Turbo Championship Edition The Last of Us Remastered Hohokum CounterSpy Diablo III Hotline Miami The Last Tinker: City of Colors The Golf Club Destiny
So that's only 5 next gen only titles in the 1st ~10 months of the previous gen.
This gen only PS5 you'll already 6 next gen exclusives during that time frame, 7 if we add a 2 weeks and include Deathloop. During a pandemic as well.
The amount of times this forum can be insanely brain dead never ceases to amaze me.