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Watch Dogs: Legion Review Thread

nemiroff

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Good - The game has the modern political 'diverse' propaganda
Watch Dogs: Legion is an anti-fascist game, and it's admirable that it sticks to that message

Well fuck this piece of woke Ubisoft SJW shit then. And to be pre-emptively clear; also people with "So you like fascists then?"-replies can also go fuck their disingenuous selves.

Edit: I haven't watched video reviews yet, I hope it's just Gamespot doing wishful thinking.
 
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jaysius

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Skillup said theirs: good game but average story. Still enjoyable.

Personally I believe the graphic is very very nice with RT on.


"Not alot of action going on" In a game that is supposed to be an action type game :messenger_tears_of_joy: .

Gamespot said
  • Repetitive missions and characters that often have you revisit locations and objectives on a repeated basis

These reviews have pretty glaring flaws that are being ignored in the final scores.

So this is:

"Ubisoft Openworld Stealth Game 2020"

Where as AC will be

"Ubisoft Openworld Medieval type setting Game 2020"

I guess I'll wait for 2021's version instead.
 
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"Not alot of action going on" In a game that is supposed to be an action type game :| .
He also said that as a stealth game is excellent.

Franckly, I think I'll get it discounted in a few months down the line, like AC: Valhalla. Actually I buy pretty much all UBisoft a few months after release.
 

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Managed to get Xbox Ultimate Edition for £60 so that's enough discount for me to try it day one and on Series X.
 

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Yeah, what a horrible message. I mean, out of all the things you could want to say...

It always baffles me that there are people against the notion that we are all equal and should be united and care for each other.

I think I have to clarify my statement. I'll keep it as short as I can, don't want to derail this thread into a political discussion.

The ideas of equality and unite against an evil government are of course not bad in general. Where did I say we shouldn't care for each other?
My statement was targeted towards how the far radical left and Antifa are interpreting and using these themes for their ideological goals. So don't remove "Antifa" from my statement in your quote, it is the most important part.

I think equality in the sense of equal rights and respect for each other are very important.
But I believe that everyone is different and no one is "equal". Equality and fairness are ideological concepts. Everyone has different attributes, opinions, beliefs, different histories etc. I could never be faster than Usain Bolt, ever. No matter what I do. We are not equal. And that's a good thing. I have to focus on what I can do well. To make everyone equal would mean devaluation of the individual. It also means the devaluation of individual responsibility and choice.

Enough digression though:

I just hope the game doesn't take itself to seriously and doesn't push a political agenda too hard. I want it to be fun, not loaded with ideology.
My comment was too negative, let's stay positive :messenger_winking:
 

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nah, cyberpunk is the most diverse game ever. You can be who ever the fuck you wanne be, you can change anything about your body. People dont care in the game how you identify yourself and yet they stil hate on it
Watch dogs received almost zero hating from them tho.
 

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Man... Ubisoft games can look look so good. And then you play them and you are bored to death. I'm trying really hard to go through some of them, just to marvel at the nice graphics, but it's so hard.
Problem with their games is they always feel like a product. Like off the factory floor games.

They clearly have a " process" making games and because of this they're able to release games faster than other publishers but the games come off like they have no originality.

Even looking at this games menu UI I get the same vibes.

All their games are overly bright and post produced.

They all have icons scattered all over the screen

They all have overworld syndrome where really you only have 6 mission types hiding away in an overworld structure.

They could even have a game about a space travelling Nazi dog and somehow you'd get the same tropes.

Ask yourself this when you're playing a Ubisoft game especially an open world one.

If these mission types were in a linear game would it be any good?
The answer is usually no. The missions in their games are usually very boring and wouldn't be accepted in any other type of games but open world.

I'm happy to see people are starting to come round to that.
 
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Arachnid

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Wow, an Ubisoft game being bland, repetitive and unoriginal?



You keep buying this shit, you keep getting this shit.
So much for Ubi's claim that games will be more distinctive/unique going forward after Ghost Recon Breakpoint flopped.
 
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holy shit, PSU gave this a 6/10 😐, I was initially excited anticipating a 60fps option on ps5. But in its current announcement there’s no 60fps mode, so going to skip on this until deals
 

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It's a game about a fascist police state. How could any of you possibly think they weren't going to take the opportunity to compare it to current political happenings.
So I guess in this game Antifa actually took control, interesting. If they are anything but portrayed as the villains (along with blm) then shame on Ubisoft. I'm sick of the far left Marxists being glorified as our Saviours.
 

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Games.cz gave 5/10

The guy liked London, but really really hated the story and how generic it is due to lack of any interesting characters and how copypasted and repeated many missions are. And even the main missions are mostly just the same stuff from previous games.
 

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People are taking the story elements of games way too seriously. I barely remember the story in 2, but do remember it was fun as hell to play. This will be even better once co-op drops.
 

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So I guess in this game Antifa actually took control, interesting. If they are anything but portrayed as the villains (along with blm) then shame on Ubisoft. I'm sick of the far left Marxists being glorified as our Saviours.

Marxists! Leftists! SJW WOKE SOCIALISM! LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY!!! I'm not sure I could eye roll any harder than I am right now. Go crawl back into your safe space where you can complain about REE people doing exactly what you're doing and only encounter what you find palateable.
 

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Sounds like the game has some fun in it, but it's surrounded by a meh story, and a world that doesn't really feel like it's booming with things to do.

I'm sure fans of the previous games will still appreciate it. Doesn't really do much for me though TBH.
 

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Marxists! Leftists! SJW WOKE SOCIALISM! LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY!!! I'm not sure I could eye roll any harder than I am right now. Go crawl back into your safe space where you can complain about REE people doing exactly what you're doing and only encounter what you find palateable.

Yeah fuck us for wanting to push back against these big businesses shoving propaganda down our throat.

And fuck off with the ''your just as bad as them by complaining about it' bullshit. Their screaming and shouting gets them actual real world influence, so yea I'm gonna scream and shout to try and get my voice heard to push back. If you don't play, you'll lose, what you want us to just sit in the corner hoping they quit down one day while we stay out of it to be 'not like them' While they play ball?
 
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Yeah fuck us for wanting to push back against these big businesses shoving propaganda down our throat.

And fuck off with the ''your just as bad as them by complaining about it' bullshit. Their screaming and shouting gets them actual real world influence, so yea I'm gonna scream and shout to try and get my voice heard to push back. If you don't play, you'll lose, what you want us to just sit in the corner hoping they quit down one day while they have influence everywhere?

Nobody is forcing anything on you. Buy the game or don't. But sitting and whining in gaming forums with impotent rage at a word salad of acronyms that describe things you hate is cringe as fuck.

Are leftists the pussy hat wearing snowflakes or the danger to the republic. Schroedingers leftist is everywhere apparently. Every thread around here is tainted with the words SJW Woke and Antifa etx. It's chicken little sky is falling levels of hyperbole.
 
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I think I have to clarify my statement. I'll keep it as short as I can, don't want to derail this thread into a political discussion.

The ideas of equality and unite against an evil government are of course not bad in general. Where did I say we shouldn't care for each other?
My statement was targeted towards how the far radical left and Antifa are interpreting and using these themes for their ideological goals. So don't remove "Antifa" from my statement in your quote, it is the most important part.

I think equality in the sense of equal rights and respect for each other are very important.
But I believe that everyone is different and no one is "equal". Equality and fairness are ideological concepts. Everyone has different attributes, opinions, beliefs, different histories etc. I could never be faster than Usain Bolt, ever. No matter what I do. We are not equal. And that's a good thing. I have to focus on what I can do well. To make everyone equal would mean devaluation of the individual. It also means the devaluation of individual responsibility and choice.

Enough digression though:

I just hope the game doesn't take itself to seriously and doesn't push a political agenda too hard. I want it to be fun, not loaded with ideology.
My comment was too negative, let's stay positive :messenger_winking:

I know its annoying that politics comes up so often but unfortunately its where we are at right now. My gripes with "everybody is not equal" is not related to any sort of physical or talent traits. Its about rights afforded to individuals. You and Usain Bolt are definitely different when it comes to speed but should be no different when it comes to what civil liberties, right to services, treatment from government entities, etc.. are concerned. Maybe there was a misunderstanding there.

As for the people saying BLM is the opposite of what im saying, not at all. All the BLM movement asks for is the treatment as equals. Not to treat black people with the default disdain that certain people seem to have for them compared to someone else.

I know this sounds naïve but everyone needs to be nicer to one another. Regardless of the way you look. That said, if you are in any way advocating for the erosion of equal rights and preferential treatment to a specific group of people, that's not good and keeps society in a rut.
 
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halopower67

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Yeah that where I’m playing it. Does it release tonight at midnight?
Don't remember what title it was but i was assuming that same thing for another game and it ended up unlocking around 10am of the day of the release. Not midnight unfortunately. not sure about this one.
 

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Hipster 1-strap pack - Check
Multi-coloured hairdos - Check
Genero hacker group name - Check
Same Ubisoft facial animations - Check
Rebelling against the man - Check
Capitalism is bad - Check
Ubioptimzed for minimum performance - Check
Hamfisted messaging - Check

This game is more generic than No Name branding.

Would have preferred they went in another direction. Not even interested in this on sale.
 
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2 hours played and its pretty good, the characters are usual Ubiwank, the AI VA needs a slap, and so do Ubi for not listening to ppl who hated the drone in ME:A (not ubi i know but still), and Garrus in TD2. The main bird is your typical mismatch of everything, probably was a bloke a while back, now non binary with earrings big enough that The Notorious B.I.G could use them for hula hoops.

However, that is to be expected with a Ubisoft game, their writers are woeful. The game though, is good. Forgetting the main story (which anyone with a brain doesnt expect much with this company), the side events and permadeath storylines are very unique and the crossovers can be quite deep at times.

I live near London and vsiit there often so it's a lot of fun going to places I recognise like Camden, South Bank, Pic Circus etc.

So many drones who cant allow something to have issues and not condemn the whole thing. Cancel culture in a nutshell, I see a lot of reseterans in this thread unfortunately. A game can have some shit aspects and still be fun, and just because you dont want another 'generic OW borefest' (in which case why do you even enter a thread about another generic OW borefest in the first place) it doesnt mean the company are the devil now does it.
 

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It always baffles me that there are people against the notion that we are all equal and should be united and care for each other.

Criticism of art is separate from morality. The vast majority of modern popular culture is for children: predictable, with easy moral lessons that are explained to the reader/viewer like he or she is 10 years old.

Granted, if you have never read or watched anything that was created before 2005 or so you may not realize this. Read old classic novels and watch some movies from the 70s before they're banned.
 

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What??? IGN gave it an 8/10?? Who would have ever imagined? I think it's the first time I see IGN giving this score for a game.:messenger_face_screaming:
 

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Marxists! Leftists! SJW WOKE SOCIALISM! LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY!!! I'm not sure I could eye roll any harder than I am right now. Go crawl back into your safe space where you can complain about REE people doing exactly what you're doing and only encounter what you find palateable.
I'm not the one trying to close down the conversation with threats, I believe in freedom of expression, that doesn't give people the right to acts of violence though.

It does give Ubisoft and most of the establishment the right to be complete hypocrites and virtue signal till the cows come home, it also gives me the right to call them out on it.

You're trying to shut people up as well, right here in this forum, interesting...
 
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Nobody is forcing anything on you. Buy the game or don't. But sitting and whining in gaming forums with impotent rage at a word salad of acronyms that describe things you hate is cringe as fuck.

Are leftists the pussy hat wearing snowflakes or the danger to the republic. Schroedingers leftist is everywhere apparently. Every thread around here is tainted with the words SJW Woke and Antifa etx. It's chicken little sky is falling levels of hyperbole.

It didn't used to be like this. I remember when the most controversial thing on NeoGAF was Drinky Crow posting fake Nintendo megatons. Political discussion was mostly confined to the off topic forum where it belonged.
 

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I know its annoying that politics comes up so often but unfortunately its where we are at right now. My gripes with "everybody is not equal" is not related to any sort of physical or talent traits. Its about rights afforded to individuals. You and Usain Bolt are definitely different when it comes to speed but should be no different when it comes to what civil liberties, right to services, treatment from government entities, etc.. are concerned. Maybe there was a misunderstanding there.

As for the people saying BLM is the opposite of what im saying, not at all. All the BLM movement asks for is the treatment as equals. Not to treat black people with the default disdain that certain people seem to have for them compared to someone else.

I know this sounds naïve but everyone needs to be nicer to one another. Regardless of the way you look. That said, if you are in any way advocating for the erosion of equal rights and preferential treatment to a specific group of people, that's not good and keeps society in a rut.

You should maybe look more critically into the BLM movement. The slogan is great, but it's not what they are really about. One co-founder called herself a "trained marxist" and not all black lives matter for them. They didn't care for David Dorn for example, a black retired policeman who was killed during the riots for trying to stop looters. Where was the outcry after his death? Are ex cops not equal?

If you support BLM while simultaneously saying everyone should be nicer to one another.... Looking at all the violent protests that have been initiated and supported by them... Seems weird.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm from Europe and am watching from a distance. So my judgement can be wrong of course.
 

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I don't care for the story or politics in the game, I just want a nice looking version of London to explore in with some decent missions and decent gameplay systems, and WD Legion seems to deliver on this.

Will be a definite pick up for the PS5.
 
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Game review thread gets politibombed. "I don't want politics in my games, but I'll shoehorn politics into a review thread." This is NeoGAF.

When Gamespot lists the game's number 1, #1 positive its "Powerful anti-fascist and hopeful message about unity and perseverance in the face of adversity" , that just might be the cue for perpetual denialists and obfuscationists of reality like yourself to realize that perhaps politics is a feature of the game, not just a feature of the reaction to the game.

Yeah, what a horrible message. I mean, out of all the things you could want to say...

If the game even so much as hints at any kind of support for or intellectual defence of Antifa, yes, it's a terrible message. If you don't know why that's the case and because Showing is often better than Telling, I'll be dropping by to gratuitously loot and vandalize your bedroom to get the point across.

Nobody is forcing anything on you. Buy the game or don't. But sitting and whining in gaming forums with impotent rage at a word salad of acronyms that describe things you hate is cringe as fuck.

Are leftists the pussy hat wearing snowflakes or the danger to the republic. Schroedingers leftist is everywhere apparently. Every thread around here is tainted with the words SJW Woke and Antifa etx. It's chicken little sky is falling levels of hyperbole.

There is nothing wrong in opting out of a game because one disagrees with its message. If a game consciously takes the route of endorsing a real-life political ideology, it shouldn't come as a surprise people who oppose that ideology don't cheer for it and express their dissatisfaction. That's not why, generalizing, ResetEra is wrong.
 
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I bought it anyway cause fuck aggregates and it's just installed now. I think the sim side of it looks fantastic, I'll probably find it hard with the narrative and voices but I'm willing to overlook it if this whole permadeath, Xcom in third person shit pays off. Kinda glad there isn't much to do, I don't need another open world filled with shit and Mafia DE recently reminded me that open world games can be empty but still justify the open world, obviously that has a good narrative and is focused that way but Legion seems to have it's own area that it excels in and, my hope at least, is it is a game that allows you to create your own fun with tools to do so and I need that right now. I'll update as I go though. Fingers crossed it's not shite.
 

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Shroud really liking it so far. Ah dont know what to do. Yes i do, i'll just wait for a sale.
 

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4+ hours in after the initial tutorial. Playing on permadeath in hard mode but permadeath hasn't kicked in for me yet as I'm not progressing the main plot.

It's really rather rough and full of ubisoft jank and lack of TLC. VA is really good but gets really weird with this randomization between NPCs and same for facial animations. Performance is a bit better than odyssey but not nearly as clean and well performing as previous Watch Dogs game but that said there is a LOT more going on.

It's so full of flaws and the game feels loose to play, the graphics are decent on PRO but at the same time pretty shite because of the pop in, the ailising and inconsistencies but again, somehow it is decent to look at as long as you aren't speeding down the road or running around panning the camera quickly. HDR is really good with actual setting to change base brightness and peak, although the colour doesn't pop as much as I'd like but I'm still fiddling with contrast and gamma settings as I play.

Story is dog shite, so far but I knew as much from the reviewers I watched. The reason I bought this game was cause reviewers praised the immersive sim aspect and that's where it's at, I'm having tons of fun but I know I won't even come close to finishing the story as that's really just a reason for me to use the team I'm creating and to have some emergent fun and so far the emergent gameplay isn't disappointing in the least.

I'd say, save you're money if you aren't solely buying this as a playground with tools for your own stealth and mayhem and Xcom like team building and you play on hard for the risk factor, Ubisoft could have had something really special here had they worked more on getting the narrative cleaner with maybe just one main protagonist who shows up for story beats and fixed the Ass creed like jankiness.

I can't wait for Permadeath, it's going to be amusement, I'ts already great having people stuck in the hospital for an hour real time.
 
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"Not alot of action going on" In a game that is supposed to be an action type game :messenger_tears_of_joy: .

Gamespot said


These reviews have pretty glaring flaws that are being ignored in the final scores.

So this is:

"Ubisoft Openworld Stealth Game 2020"

Where as AC will be

"Ubisoft Openworld Medieval type setting Game 2020"

I guess I'll wait for 2021's version instead.
Welcome to videogame journalism buddy.
 
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It looks like a really interesting premise that is pulled off pretty well but bogged down by typical Ubishit and SJW writing.

I'll definitely check this out on sale when I have a RTX card to run it to its potential.
 
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Well, I have majour feeling that I want to get back into legion ASAP and keep playing, while I only put it down this morning so it's definitely, at least, above mediocre.

I have a really weird feeling that the people who worked on this game are mainly women though, or feminists who have turned all the male developers on the team into women. It's so frigging woke and feminist but that's the way with all Ubisoft games these days from what I have read, I couldn't even bother with Odyssey because of the amount of disbelief they asked me to ignore aswell as Casandra, the only good VA playable character, doing shit a women would not be able to achieve like taking taking a punch from a man with the fist the size of a bad of potatoes or downing multiple men three times her size.

The woke politics works cause is so close to our laughable society we have atm and not some fantasy version of ancient times but there is that disbelief they are asking for an 86 year old man to get into fight and take batons to the head while dishing out Tyson Fury level slaps and then running off with not a breath gone.
 
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