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Vice: I love "Rick & Morty" and I hate its fans
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This list is obviously a joke.
You're missing Homestuck/Undertale fans
Permanently A
Junior Member
Where's the steven universe tumblr fanbase though? You know the ones that bullied an artist into a suicide attempt?
torre_avenue
Banned
Kanye fans gotta be up there.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
My point was that all groups are man made constructs of associating people together by characteristics. It's judging people by features. "People who like Twilight are fucking morons". "I feel Xbox fans are always salty", "If you are a conservative, you're a neo nazi", Whatever it is, it's not the group themselves that is the problem; But how some people within most groups start acting shitty.
I don't have a problem with groups themselves (or herein, political, religious, social or cultural) - I have a problem with that when they turn prey on others, in other groups. Like a R&M fan who looks down on someone for having a Star Wars sword. That's a person whose circle reinforces him to talk shit because he is within his group. So fuck him.
I was pointing out that this sort of thing betrays people in all sorts of groups, not just within fandom. I was trying to point out that it's not sensible to look at it so reductionistic as just "fandoms" being a problem. Rather, it's groupthink behavior that exist within any sort of social group.
But pointing that out is not the same as saying as there are no benefits to groups at all or that people in groups are worse. And I don't understand why you think I am going on a houlier than thou attitude. I'm well aware that many people can handle being in groups and still not punch down on people who are in other groups or individuals without a group.
I am just saying that I am frustrated with people who stop acting like a rational human being when they are in a group. A cop. A soldier. an activist. Someone who is a part of a fandom. You're not better or worse than anyone else and you are a coward if you fuck with people just because people in your group got your back to give you free reign to throw punches at someone who is outnumbered.
That R&M fan wouldn't have talked that shit had he not been validated by his R&M pals.
/r/kanye and /r/radiohead are the worst subreddits Ive ever been on.
no
Homestuck.....I haven't heard that name in a long time. A long time.
Mentioned that in a later post.
Boi, if you don't git yourself back to gaf-hop....
Even Tool hate Tool fans, and I like Tool
Star Orpheus
Member
As much as I love Rick and Morty it does bug me that the show can't seem to decide if Rick is awesome or not. Yes there are episodes that show him miserable and alone but just as many show him as always being right with anyone who doubts him being a moron who will eventually be humiliated and/or killed. Yes we're supposed to realize that lifestyle is self destructive but it's easy for me to see why some people don't get that.
Compare to Bojack where it's shown under no circumstances that he is miserable, self destructive, and you would in no way want to be like him.
I'm not saying Rick and Morty should change but I see how the comedy comes at odds with the drama at times.
Compare to Bojack where it's shown under no circumstances that he is miserable, self destructive, and you would in no way want to be like him.
I'm not saying Rick and Morty should change but I see how the comedy comes at odds with the drama at times.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
The Scotsman of fandoms.
It's because the Toxic Fanbase Handbook seems to have been written and perfected at this point.
The problem is, how else do I express my rich inner world to other humans - and how can they express themselves to me? Symbols, whether they be the words of language or pictoral images, are our primary mechanism to express our conceptual mapping of the world and the inferences we draw from it.
A more "accurate" term than saying "I am a member of [category]" would be to say "I possess or am actively cultivating certain characteristics or beliefs that are centrally codified as [category]" - because all objects within a category have a degree of centrality to the prototypic image of that category.
There is definitely the problem of our tendency to, when unexamined, gravitate towards the centrality of whatever categories we compose our outwardly appearance of - to model oneself after an archetype. The problem is when people substitute the maps of their identity constructed from others media for their own identity. Again, drawing inspiration from the world is great and can teach you a lot about yourself - but fully destroying your own agency in doing so loses something valuable.
But categorization has value in spite of our own poor usage of it. It allows us to make sense of the world and construct complex systems. It allows us to communicate far more effectively even if connotations sometimes muddy the channel.
Signalling through self-identification has instrumental value - presenting yourself in a clearly understandable manner is useful so as to guide your observer to drawing the conclusions about you that you desire. It can also signal how you are likely to feel towards a particular topic - or how safe a person with a set of traits can feel around you. It makes people feel more at ease interacting with you when they have somewhat of an understanding of you, and language helps to enable this understanding.
Basically, humans and their anthropocentric language can be confusing, but it's not surprising that humans have a natural tendenxy to use themselves as a frame of reference for abstract concepts.
(Also, refusing to self-identify and making a point of why you refuse to sometimes sends messages too, if there is a central commonality between those who do so - see people who really don't like the word "feminism")
quoted to apply in a different contex, an equally true one
Professor Renegade
Banned
Fandoms in general can get pretty toxic. Theres no way you can possibly understand how great X is. How dare you say that about my favourite character. Haha youre wasting your time watching/playing Y, X is waaay better, trust me. My Little Pony, Steven Universe, Rick and Morty, Star Wars, Overwatch, a lot of anime fandoms, you name it. People begin to feel entitled and abuse the fuck out it for the sake of a piece of fiction.
I still hold wrestling fans as among the worst. What other groups pay to see shit just to heckle it like children?
But that's a major and logical part of it: There are heels, bad guys, that you're supposed to jeer. Heckling is participation.
markofhavoc
Member
Man, I don't watch wrestling but my friend gets free tickets whenever they are in town and I go with him. Besides the obvious guys like Cena, I don't know who they are, but when your there live the heckling is fun and really establishes who to root for, and who is the villian. Also the fans I sit around are having a great time, my two cents
Professor Renegade
Banned
Im inclined to agree with this, but at the same time there are dudes on twitter who take it way too far.
I will say though that its fucking hilarious when people bring anime signs to matches.
sometimes the crowd is shit though. like yeah you've got the right idea, when it's working out well for both WWE's side and the audience, it's a great time. but i think they've had a few questionable chants this year
This is my theory as well.
Along these lines, I think Rick's speech to Beth where he says "you aren't evil - worse, you're smart" makes sense for his character and in the context of the show precisely because Rick has been directly told by Dr. Wong that "he uses intelligence to justify sickness". A few episodes later and there's an example of Rick doing exactly that, invoking intelligence as a justification for Beth's character flaws.
Rick and Morty is pretty direct and doesn't pull any punches condemning it's characters. But the characters also don't immediately reform when called out by an impressive monologue, because generally people don't either. Like it's been said in the show, mental self-care can be a long process and often not an exciting one - but it is one that is of critical importance.
Maybe years down the line we'll get the Rick and Morty equivalent of End of Evangelion to even more directly call out the Pickle Ricks.
EDIT: Here's an interesting take on this idea that covers it in more detail.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Ive never talked about Rick and Morty online or sought out any discussion about it, so I had no idea this was even a thing.
And I will continue not to care that its a thing.
And I will continue not to care that its a thing.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Every time you post a gif of Walter White being cool you support the patriarchy
Glendemonium
Member
What is it about these shows and it's overly pretentious fans? Just wait when the show becomes mainstream to the masses and it's "fans" will change their tune.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
The Room? Rocky Horror?
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