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A handheld is not a PC. It have harder restrictions on power and thermals.
not the best comparison. Also the proton layer.
My bet is that it will perform worse that a lot of people think.
A handheld is not a PC. It have harder restrictions on power and thermals.
not the best comparison. Also the proton layer.
My bet is that it will perform worse that a lot of people think.
The main thing we need to keep in mind is the TDP the steam deck is gonna be awesome but at 15watts the APU it’s using won’t be able to stretch its legs, of course we can always up the TDP hopefully in the bios but if not we can use a third-party application like Ryzen Master. This might be how the upcoming Valve Steam Deck performs when it comes to gaming!
OIn this video we take a look at how the new steam deck may perform at 720P once it's released by running a ZEN 2 based RYZEN APU at similar clock speeds and core count. This is a theoretical test based on my past AMD RYZEN APU knowledge. The Steam Deck is going to be powered by a ZEN 2 based 4 core 8 thread AMD APU with RDNA 2 Graphics and backed by LPDDR5 ram, this thing is gonna be a beast when it comes to a handheld gaming pc and I think we are going to be very close to the performance you will see in this video.
00:00-Intro
00:30-Overview
02:40 APU Used in this test
05:23-Forza Horizon 4
05:53-GTA5
06:17-Fortnite
06:45-Overwatch
07:08-Skyrim SE
07:34-Gensin Impact
07:57-The Witcher 3
08:22-Doom Eternal
08:48-Cyberpunk 2077
09:39-Final Thoughts
The videos in the OP aren’t running the Deck’s specs. It a lot lower specced and managed to run 30-45 fps. The Deck will run these games at 60fps or even better graphic settings.wait so it's all 720p 30fps but when stuff is 30fps on other consoles people bitch about it
I know very little about Linux gaming, but the Steam Deck looks like a decent piece of kit. Are you able to point me in the direction of some good sources for info on performance and such when gaming via Linux using Windows wrappers like Proton?1) Learn grammar
2) Proton has very little performance cost, and in some cases games run better on it than on Windows, surprising as it sounds
3) You can install Windows and dualboot or just use those, if you want
"Fear in the air" great sense of humor. Nice hardware wrapped up in a quite ugly rapping. Regardless, should sell reasonably well..lets watch the numbers eh..Its going to have great performance and be a great piece of hardware, you can smell the fear in the air with all the concern trolling over the last few days by sony and nintendo fans.
Next gen games will run on it
FidelityFX works in any GPU… it open source and GPU agonist.Don't forget the FidelityFX should work on this. Given how small the screen is, you can afford to go lower down the settings to squeeze out more performance.
As they say here in Italy "È più facile mettervela in culo che in testa", which traslates roughly as "You are getting very easily confused and should pay more attention".wait so it's all 720p 30fps but when stuff is 30fps on other consoles people bitch about it
Wrong. 5800H's Vega 8 gimped by memory bandwidth bottleneck worst than Deck's.It will delivery performance between 5400U and 5800H.
Its going to have great performance and be a great piece of hardware, you can smell the fear in the air with all the concern trolling over the last few days by sony and nintendo fans.
Next gen games will run on it
This has actually been my experience with a lot of titles on Linux.Or maybe in Linux it performs better because is running less crap in the background. In any case, Steam Deck is open to install Windows there.
Wrong. 5800H's Vega 8 gimped by memory bandwidth bottleneck worst than Deck's.
Vega 8 doesn't have RDNA v1 "DCC Everywhere" improvements (memory bandwidth conservation).
Vega 8 doesn't have a "Tier 2 VRS" feature (pixel shader conservation).
Vega 8 doesn't have support for 128 bit LPDDR5-5500 (88 GB/s) memory modules.
Doom Eternal with AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, 1336x768 resolution, and 128 bit DDR4-3200 (51.2 GB/s).
I owned both Cape Verde GCN-based Radeon HD 8870M and Ryzen 5 2500U Vega 8 with 35 watts TDP (Ryzen Adj).
From https://www.ultrabookreview.com/36030-amd-ryzen-7-u-laptops/
Cezanne is equipped with DDR4-3733 memory modules. 128 bit DDR4-3733 has 59 GB/s
Memory bandwidth matter when there's enough GPU power.
I'm waiting for the 6nm process tech AMD's Rembrandt APU.
It is odd that no one really saw how awesome these Zen 2 chips were before the Steam Deck.It’s odd that so many people seem desperate for this to perform poorly.
I’d expect gaming enthusiasts to hope it’s great.
The controls are similar to that of a stream controller which is actually excellent for controls. Track pads are superior to thumbsticks for camera movement unless you are using flick stick and gryoscope gives you fine precision of a mouse. What makes the mouse great is it s speed and precision. You have both with this device through track pad or flick stick using steam input option along with gyroscope.Still don't think it will be anything other than a novelty toy for middle-class enthusiasts.
Why do you game on PC? Cutting edge performance and M&KB controls...... This does neither when used as a handheld.
That's a flawed argument since superior CPU is bottleneck by relatively slow GPU. Hint: the same CPU can still scale frame rates with a fast dGPU.CPU is way better and the GPU is on pair than what you have on Deck.
CPU is similar to underclocked 5400U.
That is why the performance will be between 5400U and 5800H… if CPU is bootleneck it will reach around 5400U results if GPU is bottleneck it will reach around 5800H results.
Its going to have great performance and be a great piece of hardware, you can smell the fear in the air with all the concern trolling over the last few days by sony and nintendo fans.
Next gen games will run on it
What crazy stuff this dev is smoking? I want it.
This Steam Deck wont even beat Series S in performance let alone SX or PS5 lol..
This better portable option
Lol Deck fans getting insecure and threatened by S.So are we just going to ignore shite like this?:
Along with his fellow xclowns darkmage and that smelly socks guy who have been hellbent on shitting up threads with the aim of downplaying the Deck while bringing up the much unloved Series S in every single thread possible.
Anyone would think home consoles that need to be plugged in to a wall and a TV/monitor compete with the deck with the way some of these idiots have been behaving over the last week.
Imagine feeling threatened by a handheld PC gaming machine.
Its going to have great performance and be a great piece of hardware, you can smell the fear in the air with all the concern trolling over the last few days by sony and nintendo fans.
Next gen games will run on it
Ofcourse there are. One such guy quoted me twice just coz i brought Series S into discussion.But also, I think there are people excited about the Deck that made fun of the Series S. Hypocrites everywhere.
Lol Deck fans getting insecure and threatened by S.
Xscreen makes S portable not a exact replacement for Handheld like Deck and Switch but you can carry around in hotel n all while travelling, that's what i was trying to say. No need to get so insecure and personal lol.
Have you pre-ordered Deck yet?
But also, I think there are people excited about the Deck that made fun of the Series S. Hypocrites everywhere.
Did those of us that hate the strategy with the S, but like the Deck miss an announcement for the S being able to run any OS - even using optical media through usb-c?... think there are people excited about the Deck that made fun of the Series S. Hypocrites everywhere.
In games 4c/8t Zen 2 are hardly ever the bottleneck, at this moment, even on the Deck the bottleneck will still likely be the GPU or memory bandwidth for some years.CPU is way better and the GPU is on pair than what you have on Deck.
CPU is similar to underclocked 5400U.
That is why the performance will be between 5400U and 5800H… if CPU is bootleneck it will reach around 5400U results if GPU is bottleneck it will reach around 5800H results.
If you can't see the huge difference between the Deck and the Series S and the Deck in terms of their categories and use cases then I'm really sorry, I can't help you. You're talking about the most powerful (by some distance) dedicated handheld gaming device currently available vs the weakest "next gen" home console (also by some distance).
Do you guys also compare your mobile phones to your desktop PC's?
So, for someone with a 1080p screen that wants a Series S and someone who wants a handheld with a 800p screen, how are they so different? Both will most likely need to sacrifice some things to run true next gen games. Both are viable platforms and will end up having more similarities than any other two platforms this coming generation where current gen games are concerned. The size of the screen doesn't matter. They are both still computers that play games. Lol at your ending strawman argument.
The target demographic for the two devices aren't even the same. Someone who wants a portable handheld gaming device doesn't suddenly go out and buy a home console that requires a TV/monitor along with being plugged in to a main power source at all times. End of story.
Also, this right here is BS. I'd say the vast majority of Steam Deck preorders are from gamers in general. Gamers who have a desktop and/or consoles. Who has a Steam account that isn't a sit down in the house gamer on a larger screen? Steam isn't relying on converting handheld gamers that own a Switch, this will attract Steam members. Hell, you have to be a Steam member to even preorder it! I just remembered that, lol. You can't even make an account and preorder it, it has to be old members....Go back to bed, dude.
Form factor determines screen size - and screen resolution largely by cost of available portable screens - so determines the dots per inch/pixels per inch and the resulting "perceptible" image clarity - due to real world minification from image size and viewer position..... Their form factor is irrelevant. There are those who dis on the Series S while they game in 720p or less on the Switch. That was my point. ...
Form factor determines screen size - and screen resolution largely by cost of available portable screens - so determines the dots per inch/pixels per inch and the resulting "perceptible" image clarity - due to real world minification from image size and viewer position.
The Deck is sold without a dock and isn't pitched as a hybrid - AFAIK - so is targeting 5" display, not 42" and bigger, and with a resolution of 720p, not 1080p, so a quick glance it has roughly 2.5x less pixels displaying. on a screen about 50x smaller.
On Switch, people have historically bought Nintendo consoles for the vibrant non-photorealistic visual games made by Nintendo with their own IPs that focus on gameplay mechanics - further skewing the comparison of Series S trying to compete with 3rd party AAA games that overlap movies, being viewed on a large TV IMHO.
They also don't have the platform, clout or any major folks to bankroll the production. Meanwhile Valve are billionairesgdp costs a grand.
CPU is way better and the GPU is on pair than what you have on Deck.
A handheld is not a PC. It have harder restrictions on power and thermals.
not the best comparison. Also the proton layer.
My bet is that it will perform worse that a lot of people think.
Hardly.I really don't give a shit about handheld gaming. The most uncomfortable way to play games.
In games 4c/8t Zen 2 are hardly ever the bottleneck, at this moment, even on the Deck the bottleneck will still likely be the GPU or memory bandwidth for some years.
One RDNA2 CU at 1.6GHz is still probably going to outmatch one Vega CU at 2.0GHz, and the effective memory bandwidth on RDNA2 is much larger thanks to a shorter pipeline and larger caches.
The Steam Deck is probably going to perform far better than any AMD APU out there, no matter the TDP. It doesn't matter that a desktop Renoir has twice as many CPU cores at a higher frequency, if there's a bottleneck in memory bandwidth.
I guess the only thing coming up close do the Deck would be the Ryzen 7 4700G with one CCX downclocked and the other disabled, the Vega 8 at 2.1GHz and some ridiculously expensive DDR4 5000.
We can see here how much the Vega 8 @ 2.1GHz is bandwidth starved in these comparison videos. There's a 10-25% performance difference between using DDR4-3200 and DDR4-4400. Imagine taking away the bandwidth bottleneck alltogether by going up to 5500MT/s like the Deck's Van Gogh.
Even then, the Deck will still start to run past it once new technologies are adopted in games, such as VRS, conservative rasterization, sampler feedback streaming, etc.
Also, I'm still trying to figure out if the dedicated "Computer Vision and Machine Learning" block that is present in the Steam Deck's Van Gogh could be used to accelerate a ML-based upscaling technology (which is what FSR 2.0 is probably going to be, according to AMD patents).
According to Patrick Schur, there are 2x Tensilica Q6 and 2x Tensilica C5 Neural Network accelerators in there. If they're clocked at the same 1.6GHz as the GPU, they'll have an aggregate 8bit matrix multiply throughput of 8 TOPs, or 3.5 TOPs if using 16bit values.
Dear topicstarter:3. Not a benchmark, just to show you that if this can run it, steam deck will run it WAY better
This can't run control on more than low settings and 30 fps, this is vega 8. The steam deck will run that game at more than that easily... This has only 4 cores/threads, steam deck 4/cores 8 threads. You don't know what you're talking about.y7ou guys ar enot counting the fact that its runing on less of a battery than even a laptop would give. its not going to net you the performace of a tower cpu that has close to the same specs.