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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Well they are two very different situations; Gears being MS published but owned and developed by Epic while Halo is owned and published by MS while Bungie is only a developer. With Halo 3 MS dictates everything (price, date, stupid as bundles) and because of that we've waited a year since the last map pack while Epic releases a complete POS yet are able to support their game with more DLC in 4 months than Bungie's been able to in 18... It's no wonder Bungie split from them and I'm glad as fuck they did.Tashi0106 said:
EazyB said:
Yeah fuck Microsoft, snatching Bungie up and saving them from bankruptcy because of their terrible games that no one bought or wanted to fund.
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PedroLumpy
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Does Gears tie their playlists to map packs?
I'm not saying MS is pure evil and haven't been great to Bungie but now they're getting in the way more than helping. Bungie as a developer in complete control of the IPs they're working on and with more say in DLC and content distribution is a stronger Bungie. They made a good team and I wish MS didn't get in their way and continued to be a great publisher with a great marketing team while owning Bungie.mood said:
Now it seems MS is still deeply involved with Bungie while not having complete ownership of them and that's without a doubt a better situation.
The Librarian
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I see what you did there: impressive spinning.urk said:
In my case, it's because once I have this next map done, I'm going to pick one or two of mine and try to get in on GAF customs for feedback and films, and then submit to Atlas on b.net. And one of the rules of submission is, no money glitch.Stormtrooper30 said:
And for the record, my time with Sandbox alone has been worth the $10. Had I spent $10 that is. Which I didn't.
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Didn't you have an issue with object limit on your map before? Curious to know how much money I need to save or be wary of before I hit my limit. I have over $700 left, and I've made both bases to my map. I did put a few items down (weapons, grenades -- idea purposes). Keep in mind, I did delete the objects left on map (Voc's variant), but never deleted the flag spawn, score site, and the spawn area.GhaleonEB said:
I tend to finish a lot of it tomorrow after work and hope to get a lot done.
BakedPigeon
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So I just got done playing about 10 really long social big team battle matches and had a blast. The objective games with "heavy" gametype are a real pain in the ass though.
The real reason I'm posting is because ive regained my love for playing Halo and started up 3 weeks strong now and really want to play some fun customs or something. If any of you dont mind post your tags or pm me so I can get in on the l33t halo gaf games.
The real reason I'm posting is because ive regained my love for playing Halo and started up 3 weeks strong now and really want to play some fun customs or something. If any of you dont mind post your tags or pm me so I can get in on the l33t halo gaf games.
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Mr. Enigma
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PedroLumpy said:
No.
There's one playlist dedicated to the Flashback maps, but other than that, no. If everyone in the lobby has the maps, then they're thrown into the random pool. Same goes for the Combustible Pack maps. The game figures it out for itself, like Call of Duty 4.
Beaver Creek remake is almost geometrically complete. Ran out of money though and I can't think of a way to get enough back without deleting the two light orbs I have. Really breaks my heart thinking about it because the crypt is really dark and dank and BC was so nice and sunny. In a perfect world I'd have an extra $80 for a set of lights designationg red and blue base as well as a pair in the middle to illuminate the rest of the map. Has me bummed so I'm not sure I'll be going back and trying to finish it.
Too slow Omlet 
urk said:
Did your helicopter crash and burn?
What a dumb cop-out to use that link and say you're getting out maps slower than you like. Variants without shield doors and renamed maps with weapons replaced with sniper rifles don't count urk.
Admit it, even Epic is churning out maps faster than you guys and their game hasn't even been out a year yet ->
DcLevartho
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fin said:
Like I said, you have to understand the UI, once you get that it is easy. Any other problem is in your workflow, and fortunately 3dsmax comes with an edit-undo feature that you can set to go up to 500 times. As for your problem with odd geometry, most of that can be fixed with simple cuts and or target welding. Learning how to terminate edges only takes half an hour, if that. If he wants to do any kind of art, or high poly models, xsi mod tool is not the program for him. 3dsmax can handle a higher poly load, and isn't so peachy with subdivision.
Yes, autodesk also owns mudbox now too.
The Librarian
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Not sure if I like the thicker letters. Maybe I just need to get used to them.GhaleonEB said:
Dax01 said:
Just so we're clear, Urk: I was joking with this statement.
xxjuicesxx
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Stormtrooper30 said:
I really don't get this either. I'd assume all the money glitch maps are not allowed in MM according to Shishkas "RULES OF ATLAS" (LOL).
But I know all my maps are Money Glitched. Mainly because it gives me the freedom to do what the fuck I want to do. (sans the fact that Forge is pretty fucking terrible)
I have a pretty decent Ivory Tower that is 4 different stories and took several hours just to build the rough draft because it was such a complex process of creating the under sword level going to the floor level followed by the circle walkway level followed by the sniper level up top.
I also have a two level map based on Lasertrons double-story lasertag arena. I dunno if you guys have Lasertrons or its just a local thing. This is what the map looks like but with halo shit:
A lot of columns and pillars and defense to duck into a upper and lower level which can be gotten to from right or left ramps or the ramps near the bases. There are two big holes open on the top level to have a two level gunfight. Lots of sneaking between pillars. Would work very well with SWAT.
I'll end saying as long as the map plays without framerate reduction (even though that happens all the time for me on orbital from all the fuckin nades) it should be allowed. On a map per map basis.
Fritzster is pushing for Amp and Regicide to go into Team Objective. I really like both of these maps and hope they make it in.
If anyone playing at UK o'clock wants to run some 4v4 objective games on them to contribute saved films, please add me and send a message to that effect: Dr Alisdair.
If anyone playing at UK o'clock wants to run some 4v4 objective games on them to contribute saved films, please add me and send a message to that effect: Dr Alisdair.
KevinRo said:
The Flashback Map Pack doesn't count, it was included right in the box. I hardly consider that DLC when it's not even on the marketplace.
That's seven DLC maps in total when the Snowblind map pack releases.
Halo 3 has the Heroic Map Pack, Legendary Map Pack, Cold Storage and Mythic Map Pack.
That's 10 all together, and three more on the way. We've could have had those 13 already, but Microsoft manages the content.
You could probably make a case for Epic releasing two map packs faster than Bungie but that argument becomes invalid if Epic decides not to release anymore map packs. I think they might churn out one more after Snowblind though.
xxjuicesxx
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Merguson said:
Well then you can't count Mythic map pack since you have to get Halo Wars LE AND Halo 3 ODSREUSEDCAMPAIGNLEVELSTHATDIDNTMAKETHEFIRSTCUTBUTISNOWFIXEDANDFINISHED. And isnt available in MARKETPLACE STILL.
Flashback counts. End of discussion.
xDEILGYREx
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xxjuicesxx said:
Not all businesses operate the same way.
Look at Valve - they don't charge for extra content.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/valve-wont-charge-for-dlc
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall, listening to conversations between Valve and XBL reps regarding the 360 Left4Dead content.
I'm sure M$ wanted to charge for that.
A couple of developers have wanted to give away content for free, and were in fact denied.
Has Bungie, besides the lone Cold Storage map, ever wanted to give away free DLC?
Some may be outraged, but I imagine there are more who are disappointed after shelling out $170 for a video game ($130 for "limited edition" cat helmet, $40 for Heroic/Legendary/Mythic 1&2 map packs) there was but a crumb given away in return. (Chill Out remake.)
Some will say about DLC - "You don't have to buy it if you don't want to...eventually it'll be free" in defense. Telling that to the rabid Halo fanbase is like teasing a crackhead with a rock on a string in a hypnotic fashion. These people bought the action figures, H3 Mountain Dew, books, extra fileshare storage space, H3 Slurpees at 7-11, etc. You think they are going to wait half a year for the maps to be free? Hell no.
There are a bunch of ways to spin the worth of the game and add-ons, the last being "Oh noez, it costs ten dollas!" from the retards.
Sure, you can debate that you've gotten $170 of fun out of the game. On the other hand, there are others that can say they've gotten hundreds of dollars of fun out of a $50 new game that was stuffed full of content at release.
Fact is, the entire HALO trilogy's profitability is probably beyond measure.
Any Bungie employee posting here want to throw out a round figure of how much money the Halo franchise has generated overall? (Double dog dare ya).
Is it really so unreasonable to expect a free (for everyone on release day...not 8 months down the road) map pack here and there?
Btw, it's my opinion that bundling half of the Mythic pack with the $83 Halo Wars LE RTS, was dirty marketing. A real "screw you" to Halo fans from M$.
All 6 maps should have been released last fall and sold for $10...if not given away as a final token of appreciation.
xxjuicesxx
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Merguson said:
Wrong Flashback wasn't included with the game. A code to DOWNLOAD it was. It IS DLC.
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xDEILGYREx said:
The bundling wasn't dirty. Holding back the release on XBLM was dirty.
The Legendary maps really need to be put into Multi-Team. I need some awesome Ghost Town & Cold Storage 2v2v2v2 action. Crazy King and Oddball would fit so well on those maps.
xxjuicesxx
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Willeth said:
No I get that hes trying to make a point but it wasn't on the GoW2 disc it was additional content. So its DLC. His viewpoint of it not being available so it doesn't count as DLC is more semantics than my example. You cannot argue this because DLC means you download it and you download the Flashback map pack. Those are just da rules of da game.
But as you see it is available now so this is all moot.
LunaticPuma
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Willeth said:
I can.
Imagine how much more money they could have made if people downloaded both simultaneously. Some people may get tired of the game or run out of their XBL subscription and stop buying DLC.
No, what? It doesn't matter if you download it or not, it matters at what stage you get it. If you're not online, you can't use the maps as intended, and if you are online, it's absolutely no trouble to get them. IF it were on the disc it would be exactly the same situation.xxjuicesxx said:
xxjuicesxx
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Willeth said:
ITS DLC. The qualifier for DLC logically is whether you download it or not. If you download it, it is DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT.
This is the final post about this you're obviously just trolling if you are actually going to argue this.
Captain Blood
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:lolBrainboy said:
It is crazy to think that by the time mythic hits marketplace they will have been done and sitting on a shelf for around a year
The Librarian
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Are we on the Internet?Brainboy said:
If yes, it matters.
If no...
xxjuicesxx
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Brainboy said:
I'm not gonna stop yelling because that would mean I lost the fight!!!
Shafto
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Lots of interesting discussion about Map Pack charges etc.
The way I see it, i've been happy so support Bungie by buying their maps for the past year and a half, despite Halo 3 sales being more than stellar. I'm still thankful for the effort and content, and will put down my money when the time comes. Free maps like Cold Storage add to the value. There's a little bit of me that's annoyed because PC Gamers would get them for free, but I'm prepared to look past that and look at their actual worth.
What really got to me though, was that I was prepared to do this for Mythic - prepared to spend my money as usual and be part of the first to get it. It's on Xbox Live, it's being hosted, and it's available for download. Only problem is, I can't even buy it. I'm not complaining about not getting it for free, but I have money, I have played Halo 3 in shed loads since release, I laid down money on release for all the other packs, and yet here I am, as a loyal customer, watching as half the fanbase plays happily and regales each other with awesome tales and creations. And why?
Because I don't want/can't afford to buy Halo Wars.
As a long term, loyal, vocal fan who triumphs everything Bungie-Halo, I get nothing. Not even the right to buy some maps. I'd have preferred some sort of loyalty awareness - say buying previous packs entitling you to early Mythic, or even better, a general release on day one. Now I realise this is a Microsoft decision more than anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that i'm still sat here mapless. Oddly enough, this month has seen me almost stop playing Halo. I've been on maybe once since the Mythic Playlist went live, because I feel, frankly, left out. I'd be very curious to see the userbase figures for the Mythic/Wars exclusivity period and see if it's not down overall as I imagine a few people are feeling much the same. I suspect the Mythic adoption rate will be the lowest of the Map Packs so far, due to it's staggered and slightly more confusing release pattern.
I was finding this a very frustrating experience, watching so many people play a part of Halo I couldn't access, and was hyped for the maps. Now, as some mediocre reports come in regarding Mythic and my hype levels are almost non-existent, i've started playing Left 4 Dead, and, for the first time, i'm considering not buying a Halo 3 Map Pack. I probably will, but it shouldn't even be in doubt.
The way I see it, i've been happy so support Bungie by buying their maps for the past year and a half, despite Halo 3 sales being more than stellar. I'm still thankful for the effort and content, and will put down my money when the time comes. Free maps like Cold Storage add to the value. There's a little bit of me that's annoyed because PC Gamers would get them for free, but I'm prepared to look past that and look at their actual worth.
What really got to me though, was that I was prepared to do this for Mythic - prepared to spend my money as usual and be part of the first to get it. It's on Xbox Live, it's being hosted, and it's available for download. Only problem is, I can't even buy it. I'm not complaining about not getting it for free, but I have money, I have played Halo 3 in shed loads since release, I laid down money on release for all the other packs, and yet here I am, as a loyal customer, watching as half the fanbase plays happily and regales each other with awesome tales and creations. And why?
Because I don't want/can't afford to buy Halo Wars.
As a long term, loyal, vocal fan who triumphs everything Bungie-Halo, I get nothing. Not even the right to buy some maps. I'd have preferred some sort of loyalty awareness - say buying previous packs entitling you to early Mythic, or even better, a general release on day one. Now I realise this is a Microsoft decision more than anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that i'm still sat here mapless. Oddly enough, this month has seen me almost stop playing Halo. I've been on maybe once since the Mythic Playlist went live, because I feel, frankly, left out. I'd be very curious to see the userbase figures for the Mythic/Wars exclusivity period and see if it's not down overall as I imagine a few people are feeling much the same. I suspect the Mythic adoption rate will be the lowest of the Map Packs so far, due to it's staggered and slightly more confusing release pattern.
I was finding this a very frustrating experience, watching so many people play a part of Halo I couldn't access, and was hyped for the maps. Now, as some mediocre reports come in regarding Mythic and my hype levels are almost non-existent, i've started playing Left 4 Dead, and, for the first time, i'm considering not buying a Halo 3 Map Pack. I probably will, but it shouldn't even be in doubt.
backflip10019
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Except Valve makes up for their free maps with other completely ridiculous inconveniences.xDEILGYREx said:
alisdair said:
Oh it's actually out on the marketplace? I didn't know this. I remember when they found a link to the flashback map pack, it was 9999 points. :lol
xxjuicesxx said:
Looks who's talking.
My criteria was simple; it's on the marketplace to download. It applies to every game. Giving the flashback map pack special criteria wouldn't be logical for all other games. However, someone has provided SOLID evidence, and I would be willing to accept the Flashback map pack as part of that simple criteria.
That being said, my other point remains the same.
Gears of War 2;
Flashback, Combustible, and Snowblind all equal 12 maps.
Halo 3;
Heroic, Legendary, Cold Storage, Mythic, Mythic Part.2 all equal 13 maps.
If it remains the same, the whole point of Epic pushing out maps faster becomes invalid. Hell, I don't even know why anyone would even consider this a valid argument to start with. Microsoft controls the content, plain and simple.
xxjuicesxx
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Fail, you don't even get the reference.
The Lamonster
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Eastbound & Down!xxjuicesxx said:
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The Lamonster said:
WIN! INSTANT WIN! WINNER RIGHT HERE.
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backflip10019
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He's pissed that people seem to have a false sense of entitlement and are unwilling to pay $10 for three finely crafted maps. He's also pissed that Epic seems to have created more downloadable maps in a year than Halo 3 has thus far.*Ssparks said:
And I know that he's pissed that I don't have my Xbox and can't carry him in every game of SWAT that we play.
*This is all rampant speculation
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