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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Well obviously your research is not as thorough as Dax's. He goes into a match, picks the weapon up once and if he doesn't get a kill with it he chalks it up as useless and moves onto the next weapon.A Penguin said:
The plasma rifle is a beast close range; two (or three) bullets + melee.
Domino Theory
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Dax01 said:
Oh it can kill, I just like to refer to the health a player is given in Halo as "shields" instead of seperating both shields and health.
And noticing less dual-wielding in BR start games is because of the decision of an individual player in said BR start game, not because it's statistically "useless" to dual-wield in said BR start game.
CrazedArabMan
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I've noticed that really nobody dual wields that much in H3 compared to H2. I love duel wielding especially for close quarter situations, no matter what, a good plasma rifle/pistol and a spiker/smg/magnum or even a mauler are amazing, plus you have more ammo so a double kill is more likely.
Dax01 said:
Anecdotal evidence is always fun. I almost always see someone dual-wielding at some point in a BR match. It isn't happening through the entire match, but it's certainly taking place. This whole "BR cancels variety" argument is fucking retarded. Plain and simple. I mean, sure, most of my kills are from the BR, but that doesn't mean I'm not picking up other weapons, or using them to weaken an opponent and then finish them off with a BR (What's up Plasma Pistol?) or a melee. And to counter Eazy's post, I almost always pick up a carbine on HighGround, Sandbox, or Guardian, or Assembly or whatever -- even when it is BR starts.
CrazedArabMan said:
Well, yeah, of course it's going to be lower in comparison to Halo 2, because you spawned with a dual-wieldable weapon in Halo 2, and with Halo 3, you don't. If anything, AR starts are the reason people aren't choosing to duel-wield as much, not BRs.
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Damn you, Nutter!
And yes, carbine needs more love. Always, always use it on High ground.
spermatic cord
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don't think i've come across anyone dual weilding unless maybe they're a guest or something.
nahhh too much sense. here, spawn with a pistol.
xxjuicesxx said:
nahhh too much sense. here, spawn with a pistol.
The Librarian
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It is at close range, but how often are you in a close range in an AR start match vs a BR start match? Which has more close range encounters: AR starts or BR starts? It's more effective in an AR starts match.A Penguin said:
I guess we all know now that my research has been more extensive than yours: the plasma rifle doesn't fire bullets.EazyB said:
Domino Theory said:
At medium to semi-medium range? Because that is what most BR start games revolve around, and dual-wielding isn't effective at those ranges. The vast majority of the time the one who is dual-wielding won't make it to the proper range in order to kill the one with the BR.
I noticed that the Spartan Laser is used way too often in heavies, so there needs to be less lasers on the map. No, wait, it's that way because of the individual players in said heavies game, not because there are too many of them on the map. Nevermind.
People dual-wield less in a BR start game because it isn't as effective as it would be in an AR start game.
How else are we suppose to measure who uses what in each match and how much? It's the only thing I have to off of.Thermite said:
Who is arguing that? Has it been brought up? I am saying that there is less variety in BR start matches than AR start matches, not that there isn't any variety in a BR start match at all.
Everything is pretty much cool, besides this...
"4. All social playlists now have the max party limit set to the # of max players that can be on one team."
If I have more than 4 people playing with me and I don't wanna boot someone and don't have enough to get a nice 4v4 going. I like to go into social slayer.
"4. All social playlists now have the max party limit set to the # of max players that can be on one team."
If I have more than 4 people playing with me and I don't wanna boot someone and don't have enough to get a nice 4v4 going. I like to go into social slayer.
but other than that...hire juices 
Grimm Fandango
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Dax01 said:
I find it incredibly useful on Narrows. Sometimes Snowbound too.
xxjuicesxx
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Dax01 said:
Nope more variety in BR gametypes.
AR = Charge and melee
BR = Charge and melee OR BR Battle and teabag.
Sorry you lose again squirt.
Dax01 said:
Oh, I know. I just figured since you were throwing it out there, I'd do so too.
I misunderstood your stance, then. I was under the impression that you thought there was no variety when it's BR starts as opposed to AR starts. (Not just talking this one argument either; I'm talking in general.)
backflip10019
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sixthsubset
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im probably more of an mlg player than anyone in this topic but seriously, br secondary on all maps is a no-no. its so silly, complete overkill.
- certain maps need a couple more brs inserted
- certain gametypes should have br secondary
but really, br start is just not that fun for a casual player
other than that, juice's list is pretty solid in most parts. im too lazy to comment on all of it
- certain maps need a couple more brs inserted
- certain gametypes should have br secondary
but really, br start is just not that fun for a casual player
other than that, juice's list is pretty solid in most parts. im too lazy to comment on all of it
The Librarian
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Yeah, well, I see your point. I'm only going based on what I've experienced.Thermite said:
Yeah.
To clarify, though:
I wouldn't want every game to have AR starts, nor every game to have BR starts. I like variety, and different weapon starts bring about different types of games in terms of what weapons you use, range of the combat, etc. Part of the fun (for me, at least) is having to adjust your tactics to account for the weapon you spawn with. My preference towards AR starts stems from the simple fact of my liking the AR more than BR, but that doesn't mean I think that BR starts should be removed entirely, or that I wouldn't want to play game of it.
backflip10019
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vhfive, after just playing through Sanctum again, I think that the spawns need to be played with a little bit. On a couple of occasions I spawned right next to an enemy instead of on the side with my teammate. I'm not sure if this is fixable, but I just thought it was weird.
backflip10019
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STOP YELLING AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LEFT MY MIC AT SCHOOL AND I'M HOME FOR SPRING BREAK!!!!
backflip10019
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Yeah, I think we're just doing Mythic tonight.t4ng0 said:
And sorry for copping out right now guys. I have a bit of work to do and will probably be back on around 10:30.
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Captain Blood
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I think my connection would be better with two cups and a string than it is at my parents house with their crappy router. My games have been lagtastic.
CreateNowSleepLater
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So I am getting better at MP but I am stuck at skill 12. Maybe some tips from Gaf will help.
I am terrible with Rockets, even when aiming for feet. I hit the guy with 3 rockets, he hits me with one and Im dead.
Why is it that it takes me 4 rounds to the head with a BR to get a kill but I get killed (full armor) sometimes from only 1 round? If you have the BR scope on does it like count more?
I am constantly frustrated when I unload the AR into someone then connect with the beat down and I lose and get beat down, how is that possible when I have full armor or close to it?
Shotguns are the worst though. I will approach someone and hit them dead in the chest, hit them again with the beat down and they slap me once and I die. Equally, I seem to always die from one shot gun blast. ANy help here?
I am terrible with Rockets, even when aiming for feet. I hit the guy with 3 rockets, he hits me with one and Im dead.
Why is it that it takes me 4 rounds to the head with a BR to get a kill but I get killed (full armor) sometimes from only 1 round? If you have the BR scope on does it like count more?
I am constantly frustrated when I unload the AR into someone then connect with the beat down and I lose and get beat down, how is that possible when I have full armor or close to it?
Shotguns are the worst though. I will approach someone and hit them dead in the chest, hit them again with the beat down and they slap me once and I die. Equally, I seem to always die from one shot gun blast. ANy help here?
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When you see someone with rockets, their first reaction is to jump, and yours should be, too. A lot of times winning a "rocket encounter" can be done by waiting until your opponent has almost landed back on the ground from his jump, and then firing directly at the ground where he's going to land, so that your rocket hits right as he's within its kill range.jhferry said:
You get killed from 1 round because they're grenading at your feet and then BRing you at the exact second that the frag blows your shields out.jhferry said:
You have to find that sweet spot which is firing just enough to get their shields down to the point where one melee will kill them. It takes a lot of playing, but once you find it, you'll be able to AR/melee and either win, or get a simul-death most of the time.jhferry said:
Again, there's a sweet spot here for the range you need to be at before firing. If you fire too soon, then you almost kill them, and they'll fire afterwards, killing you. And of course, if you fire too late, then they'll shoot you first. This is another thing that just takes practice. And even then, because of lag, it's really difficult sometimes. Out of all of the issues you've named, this one's the most annoying, IMO.jhferry said:
^ good tips.
With the shotty, it's usually a good idea to beat down immediately have shooting the shotgun if you're in range. If you're at a good range the shotty will hit and the beat down will kill. If you're closer than the that, the shotty will kill the guy. Further than that and you shouldn't beat down.
With the assault rifle, if you're fighting some guy long range, spray it like you would shoot a battle rifle. By the time you get close, you'll be able to hold the trigger down and your opponent will probably have to reload. If you see a guy reloading back it up. Don't go in for the beat down. Finish his ass off with your gun.
Like cocop said, a lot of subtle things about Halo you pick up from playing a lot. I don't know if you know this but the lights on the Spartan and I'm guessing elites as well, indicate the amount of shields the person has. If they're shining brightly, they're low shields.
Also try not to chase people. Often times chasing people will only lead you into a trap with a grenade or more of your opponents teamates.
With the shotty, it's usually a good idea to beat down immediately have shooting the shotgun if you're in range. If you're at a good range the shotty will hit and the beat down will kill. If you're closer than the that, the shotty will kill the guy. Further than that and you shouldn't beat down.
With the assault rifle, if you're fighting some guy long range, spray it like you would shoot a battle rifle. By the time you get close, you'll be able to hold the trigger down and your opponent will probably have to reload. If you see a guy reloading back it up. Don't go in for the beat down. Finish his ass off with your gun.
Like cocop said, a lot of subtle things about Halo you pick up from playing a lot. I don't know if you know this but the lights on the Spartan and I'm guessing elites as well, indicate the amount of shields the person has. If they're shining brightly, they're low shields.
Also try not to chase people. Often times chasing people will only lead you into a trap with a grenade or more of your opponents teamates.
Captain Blood
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Cocopjojo said:
Keeping that AR followed by flying V formation close to the chest are we?
Thought I'd do a quick update on my re-build progress.
In some ways I'm going more slowly because I'm trying to iron out every little surface wrinkle and gap, which can be madding since little nooks and bumps seem to crop up everywhere, regardless of how meticulously I place stuff. But I'm finding ways to be much more effecient at getting the main structures down.
Here I've built the entire side structure on top and between the layers of these blocks. It looks and functions like a kind of casting mold, where everything is set and looks like this:
And then I carefully remove the excess support and alignment pieces and it looks like this:
It was pretty satisfying to see the structure just emerge like that, intact.
View of the front of the red base, before some final detailing and the connecting bridge:
Total progress:
I'm making some small improvements along the way, but keeping essentially the same layout. Only major design change is I'm going to add a tunnel under the central grav lift, which is going to be a design challenge. Overall I think I crossed the 50% completion point tonight. Should hopefully finish up Friday or Saturday night. Yay.
In some ways I'm going more slowly because I'm trying to iron out every little surface wrinkle and gap, which can be madding since little nooks and bumps seem to crop up everywhere, regardless of how meticulously I place stuff. But I'm finding ways to be much more effecient at getting the main structures down.
Here I've built the entire side structure on top and between the layers of these blocks. It looks and functions like a kind of casting mold, where everything is set and looks like this:
And then I carefully remove the excess support and alignment pieces and it looks like this:
It was pretty satisfying to see the structure just emerge like that, intact.
View of the front of the red base, before some final detailing and the connecting bridge:
Total progress:
I'm making some small improvements along the way, but keeping essentially the same layout. Only major design change is I'm going to add a tunnel under the central grav lift, which is going to be a design challenge. Overall I think I crossed the 50% completion point tonight. Should hopefully finish up Friday or Saturday night. Yay.
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