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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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The Lamonster
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Voc, you are making me salivate. I was perfectly fine after forgetting all the awesome maps I've left behind.Mr Vociferous said:
I know this isn't a vote, but I'll still add my two cents on the topic: I'd most like to see Damnation, Chill Out, Prisoner and Terminal remakes for DLC.
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One map I'd like to see back from the original is Wizard. We used to play Slayer Rockets on Wizard without about six people and it would be absolute mayham. It's the only time I've gotten a killtacular in my Halo career, as well.
The Lamonster
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It was cool when you could use a rocket to shoot down the overshield from the ceiling...anyone remember that?Thaedolus said:
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Wait I was thinking of Rat Race.
<----feels like old man
Mr Vociferous said:
Yeah, though I'm pretty confident they could pull off some more remakes, both the Halo: CE remakes in Halo 2 were well done, and Last Resort was a good remake of Zanzibar with the rebalancing.
Lockout was also my favorite Halo 2 map, playing TS or FFA on it never got old, no matter how many times we played it. I would love for a straight Lockout-remake in Halo 3, as Guardian just isn't the same.
I agree with many of the other maps you listed, Sanctuary, Relic and Terminal were great maps. Those should get remakes as well.
And I'd rather see more Halo 2 maps than Halo: CE maps, as those will probably be better gameplay-wise.
Also some more large maps and some small ones. BTB is more or less just Sandtrap, Valhalla and Last Resort. I'd also like to see Valhalla in Team Slayer, since even though it is a sizeable map, with the man-cannons and vehicles it's still good for 4v4.
ToyMachine228
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I'd love to see a Midship remake. Halo 3 definitely needs a close quarters map as it doesn't have one right now. A lot of the maps are medium size, and Guardian comes close but Midship is just the ultimate close quarters map in my opinion. For both Slayer and Objective games it was always a rush. You're always in the fight.
That being said and judging by how Halo 3's Campaign ended I still want to see a Boarding Action remake for Halo 3. It was an awesome map for Snipers in Halo: CE, and the ending of H3 sets up a remake perfectly. I could see some awesome Shotty Snipers games there and possibly even Big Team Snipers games.
That being said and judging by how Halo 3's Campaign ended I still want to see a Boarding Action remake for Halo 3. It was an awesome map for Snipers in Halo: CE, and the ending of H3 sets up a remake perfectly. I could see some awesome Shotty Snipers games there and possibly even Big Team Snipers games.
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They can't have two different systems in place for system link and Live. That's not feasible. At LAN parties, and tournaments and such, the game would be an almost entirely different experience for people that depend on the melee (and the people they're fighting).zam said:
electricpirate
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I think Headlong with more Mancannon, the updated wraiths, spartan lasers, and lots of equipment would be amazing. The tight bridges are made for equipment duals, and the vehicles would work much better.
Mr Vociferous
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Headlong is my second favorite large-scale map, right behind Valhalla. Ironically, Blood Gulch and Sidewinder were my two favorite maps of Halo: Combat Evolved, even with a lower number of player, and here Halo 2 and Halo 3 come along, blowing those maps out of the water.electricpirate said:
The reason I liked Headlong in Halo 2 is that even though there were horrible homing rockets and a very strange weapon balance from the get go, it played well. It has a massive yet close-quarters feel to it thanks to its geometry. It was well-crafted, although there are a slew of Halo 2 maps which would play better.
I'd like to agree with you here, but I can't. I think the main problems with the remakes in Halo 2 (from Halo: Combat Evolved) were that the two games played different on default. The first game had the M6D (not a weak/inaccurate BR or SMG) and no homing on the Rocket Launcher. The aim magnetism felt significantly lower (similar to Halo 3) than in Halo 2. These elements made maps like Coagulation and Beaver Creek frustrating. I found Warlock to be a fun map from time to time, but easily became a controller-wrenching experience with Halo 2's mechanics and rule systems. Elongation had a lot of aggravating geometry and I didn't really enjoy it on Halo: Combat Evolved, so I didn't expect it in Halo 2. Even Foundation and Gemini were flounders from a previous gaming age, simply for the fact that they had not been built from the ground up for the game's sandbox and rule system.zam said:
Since Halo 3 has similar mechanics to Halo 2, I question the feasibility of putting Halo: Combat Evolved maps into the system. For instance, fall damage was a huge part of playing Damnation and Prisoner, but it would be irrelevant in Halo 3. The one thing which has been fixed is that the sniper is more difficult to use, the BR fires more like the M6D than ever before and overall, the aim magnetism is significantly lower.
Another map we're forgetting is Ascension, which was a really fun map to play a variety of ways, particularly Team Slayer and KOTH. What about Turf? That map was friggin brilliant for Team Slayer as well.
That being said, I'd prefer to see smaller objective-based maps in the DLC. I loved Lockout for 1-Flag Fast and Midship for CTF Classic (some Isolation needs). Why are there no more touch returns? I'd also like to see Sanctuary and Terminal. Beyond that, I think I could favor all new maps for DLC...
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I feel the need to respond to this, from the WWU, considering it's basically a response to us.
However badly you want it to be so, Bungie, the game is not being hosted by sixteen different Xboxes. It's hosted on one. You can't start implementing new rulesets that remove reflexes and replace them with "well, you may have meleed first, but that's really not fair because of latency."
No, no, they weren't. I played Halo 2. A lot. And Halo 1, for that matter. You had to widen the window for what's considered simultaneous in order to incorporate the "more health wins" system as opposed to the "whoever strikes first" system. That's the only way it'd work. That's the whole point of it. You had to widen the window to remove host advantage. Otherwise, you could certainly have a "more health wins during a simultaneous strike" system, but it'd never be put to use, since melees are almost never completely simultaneous. That statement, "you'll have to take our word for it... the two strikes were effectively simultaneous" is ridiculous because you're ignoring the entire purpose of this system - to remove host advantage. And since you can't actually remove the host, then you have to implement a delay, so that when two people melee, there's a window allowing for the non-host to still get his melee in before that moment has passed. That's the entire point of this new melee system. Death by melee is delayed so that the non-host has a chance to factor into the decision. Unfortunately, you're not battling the host in every fight. But this system always applies. The window is always there.
However badly you want it to be so, Bungie, the game is not being hosted by sixteen different Xboxes. It's hosted on one. You can't start implementing new rulesets that remove reflexes and replace them with "well, you may have meleed first, but that's really not fair because of latency."
Please don't think that the problem is with how it looks. I knew something was wrong from the beginning. Seeing it only helped me to understand.
Latency has always caused frustrations in multiplayer games. We definately appreciate you guys trying to remove some of that frustration for us by taking the host's advantage away from him. But look at what's happened. You've removed the frustration in battling the host, and placed it in every other battle that occurs. Host advantage is preferable to this.
The Lamonster
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Mr Vociferous said:
Agreed. Ascension was also awesome for... that 200 kills Slayer game with no shields and one turret... why can't I remember the name of that gametype? Somebody help me out!
And yes, touch return would be nice to have.
And Cocop, I agree, host advantage is preferrable to this new melee system.
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Tower of Power.The Lamonster said:
Right?
The Lamonster
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Hell yeah, awesome game. Thanks!Cocopjojo said:
Wonder what H3 map ToP would work best on...oh man somebody should make a Forge map customized for ToP.
The Lamonster
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A tower can be built! Wonder if there would be any good places on Contruct for a turret... Other possible maps could be High Ground or Last Resort.Chinner said:
I'm gonna avoid the whole melee argument as I feel I haven't played enough multi to give a decent opinion on it.
As far as map discussion, I would be thrilled if Turf, Ascension, Lockout, and especially Midship made a return via DLC. I miss the close quarters combat of Midship, and size-wise, it'd be perfect for the 5 person limit on Lone Wolves. You had to go out of your way on Midship to stay out of the fight for more than 5 seconds.
I'd love to see a version of Turn that is converted to a Floodgate variant. Two maps I really enjoyed in the mod scene were Flood-esque variants of Foundation and Turf, with a wonderful soupy fog from Backwash, and random Flood screams in the level. Disable the radar, and you've got a great shit-your-pants map.
One thing that would really change Ascension is the return of the Banshee fuel rod cannon and the lack of lock-on for the rocket launcher. Might make more sense for the RL to be replaced by the ML if there was a remake.
As far as map discussion, I would be thrilled if Turf, Ascension, Lockout, and especially Midship made a return via DLC. I miss the close quarters combat of Midship, and size-wise, it'd be perfect for the 5 person limit on Lone Wolves. You had to go out of your way on Midship to stay out of the fight for more than 5 seconds.
I'd love to see a version of Turn that is converted to a Floodgate variant. Two maps I really enjoyed in the mod scene were Flood-esque variants of Foundation and Turf, with a wonderful soupy fog from Backwash, and random Flood screams in the level. Disable the radar, and you've got a great shit-your-pants map.
One thing that would really change Ascension is the return of the Banshee fuel rod cannon and the lack of lock-on for the rocket launcher. Might make more sense for the RL to be replaced by the ML if there was a remake.
The Lamonster
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He wasn't asking where, he was asking if that'd be a good place for the power tower.urk said:
I'd say somewhere in front of the yellow grav lift.
Mr Vociferous
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Agreed on your points. If Halo 2 had a window of opportunity for simultaneous melee attacks, Halo 3 has the Grand Canyon. Frank's comments have left me optimistic that they recognize the problem, so hopefully we get some positive results down the road. Till then, I will say that BR-starts, 5-second respawn radar is easily the most fun I've had with Halo 3, particularly with the gametypes/maps we played last night. The AR is an awesome secondary weapon.Cocopjojo said:
The Lamonster
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This thread needs more boxes and crates.urk said:
urk said:
Is there any room in your heart from those big containers? Theres loads of them on Last Resort.
Last night I did some co op on The Ark, managed to fit the the copper down right to the final battle with all the brutes.
Almost got the Warthog down as well, but it got stucked in one of the doors where its goes thinner at the bottom. I reckon I could get it through if I had something to prop it on and push it through with.
Diablohead
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Are some doors filled with invisable forces to stop vehicles getting in? on the ark level I could never get a ghost into the boss areas without the door into the building pushing the ghost back with great force. It's like a nextgen invisable wall!
Also boo to bungie if so
Also boo to bungie if so
Psychotext
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I have an admission to make... I still haven't played multiplayer. = /
I never played Halo 2 multiplayer either but I really want to try it in Halo 3. What's a good game type where my performance doesn't really affect my team too much? I hate letting people down when I suck!
I never played Halo 2 multiplayer either but I really want to try it in Halo 3. What's a good game type where my performance doesn't really affect my team too much? I hate letting people down when I suck!
ToyMachine228
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Cocopjojo said:
That's my thoughts. In Halo: CE and Halo 2, melee was never an issue of controversy. At all. Now this system has been implemented and people obviously aren't happy with it. My example...It's Team Slayer, and four melee battles are about to go down at various places across the map...In Halo 3, all four melee battles are effected by what I have deemed a "turn-based" math driven melee system. All four melee battles are effected. In another game...Such as Halo 2 or even Halo 3 with a slight host melee advantage, one of those four battles is effected, the one with the host. The other six players in the game aren't being effected.
On top of that it's not as if the host is going to figure out that he's host every game and change the way he plays that game to take advantage of this melee host advantage. Will there be a slight melee advantage that might cause the occassional headache? Possibly. But right now the melee system is causing a headache every single time someone melees...
Every time a melee swings, a Spartan loses his wings.
Skilotonn said:
What? BR/Carbine are long range also. There is no reason for the bullets to shoot 5 foot over the guy's head when the reticle is pointed directly at him.
I could care less about the range of the Mauler, though its melee lunge range is ridiculous. I am just wondering if it has the spread of the shotgun(middle of reticle does most damage and damage thins out from there) or not. Some have claimed the latter.
When did I say that? I think weapons should work how they're supposed to work. Randomness and luck should be as small a part of the equation as possible. Bungie's incessant need to level the playing field makes this impossible unfortunately.
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Wait, what? You don't want to play on a level field? :lol
The Lamonster
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Psychotext
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For some reason I'm reminded of the Mason Verger character in Hannibal. I think it's the eyes and my broken mind. :lolThe Lamonster said:
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Psychotext said:I have an admission to make... I still haven't played multiplayer. = /
I never played Halo 2 multiplayer either but I really want to try it in Halo 3. What's a good game type where my performance doesn't really affect my team too much? I hate letting people down when I suck!
I've never played the single player so I guess it goes both ways. Just try any of the team games. The ranking system should ensure you aren't too bad a drag on your team.
The distance in that Snowbound video is fucking outrageous, thats sniper range, and you're complaining that the BR/Carbine can't shoot that far consistently? Get outta here.
I do feel the BR/Carbine are alot weaker, I assume it has more to do with me not being host than anything, I find myself havin' to shoot about an inch ahead of someone to get a full headshot, which is annoying.
I do feel the BR/Carbine are alot weaker, I assume it has more to do with me not being host than anything, I find myself havin' to shoot about an inch ahead of someone to get a full headshot, which is annoying.
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I can't has Beta Carbine ?
electricpirate
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thekad said:
Obviously not, from those videos you posted. :lol :lol :lol
At this point you are hating on the BR/Carbine because they are medium range weapons, and you don't like that medium range weapons lose effectiveness outside of medium range.
You could instead phrase your argument by saying, "I would prefer if the BR/Carbine were long range weapons, because..." then illustrate your point with cogent arguments. Instead you are railing against the howling wind, and acting like you found a great conspiracy in the obvious. You are so wrapped up in your perceptions of what halo should be you can't even see what it is, and the damnations or ascensions therein.
Ramirez said:
Actually it's the difference between "instant hit" and "bullet velocity." The Halo 2 versions of the battle rifle (don't know for sure about the Carbine in H2) used instant hit, when you pulled the trigger, if your reticule was red it's a hit. Halo 3 accounts for bullet velocity over distances, we wrote about this on Bungie.net over the summer when I was relearning how to use the BR because on a large map, or any map at a certain range in general, you need to lead dudes.
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