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I'm not going to address most of this, but I do want to say that anyone that thinks that most of us here feel like we have a "holy responsibility" to "defend Bungle" is just plain mistaken. When Bungie does stupid stuff (aka Heavies with its 7 lasers or Foundry and its terribly bleak environment) we certainly call them out on it. I could name other examples, but I'm sure you've already got your mind made up that we <3 Bungie to the death and nothing can change that.

 

[The Librarian]

*posts an appropriate .gif for this moment*

 

[Kibbles]

*posts an appropriate .gif for this moment*

 

[TDG]

We're discussing a gaming purchase, not a chance of survival.

Halo Wars is going to get a lot of action because of my previous mentions (great review, "Halo" name, etc). Therefore, you better expect people will decide to buy the CE.

I don't think anyone here is claiming it's a matter of life or death, or picketing outside gamestop or something.

Not buying the Halo Wars SE is a personal choice that some are making because they feel that they are being exploited by the publisher. Nobody's trying to change the world here.

 

[Dirtbag]

Oh god, this guy again...

I peaked through the ignore window, but responding to him would probably be where I draw the line.

I'm not going to address most of this, but I do want to say that anyone that thinks that most of us here feel like we have a "holy responsibility" to "defend Bungle" is just plain mistaken. When Bungie does stupid stuff (aka Heavies with its 7 lasers or Foundry and its terribly bleak environment) we certainly call them out on it. I could name other examples, but I'm sure you've already got your mind made up that we <3 Bungie to the death and nothing can change that.

To be fair, I think Jdfox just post things to be devil's advocate to most the posters in the thread for whatever purpose that serves him.

 

[Metroidvania]

*posts an appropriate .gif for this moment*

 

[Slightly Live]

It'll be fixed tomorrow morning. It's a lone bounce on Last Resort, unless Dani is talking about something different (in which case, I'd be interested in details). Shishka fixed it earlier today and the change will go live tomorrow.

I think it's the same one, thankfully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq2KIQkNkY

Good to see it's being taken care of, otherwise I wouldn't have posted the link to help spread it.

 

[Sibylus]

The last good CE put together for an Ensemble game was for AoE3. Big-ass art book, big-ass poster, music CD of the game's soundtrack and a bunch of bits and bobs.

Oh, and it had a big-ass box.

 

[Dirtbag]

I agree. But unless I'm mistaken, if folks like Dax and Kibbles, who are both big Halo 3 fans, want to buy Halo Wars based on their impressions from reviews and/or the demo, that is bad?

Who is saying that? I don't think anyone in here is saying this, you've turned this into something its not.

Of course since they're fans of Halo 3, getting access to the three maps early is icing on the cake for them. That's how I'm assuming thousands of players will feel.

Then what does your assumption say about the group of us, that are informed about the process, and wanted these maps months ago? I think there would be more halo fans that would take issue had they realized these maps were ready months ago, and their Halo 3 experience has been lessened given the circumstances. Of course, that doesn't make for much of a sales pitch.

At least some people on this board can contain themselves and not resort to calling others "cowards" and "opinion means shit".

Given the context, it was the natural rebuttal given your argument.
Unless of course posting something like 'internet serious business' means I shouldn't have taken you serious in the first place, I still win.
Certainly appears to have bothered you.

 

[The Librarian]

Unless of course posting something like 'internet serious business' means I shouldn't have taken you serious in the first place, I still win.

Spoiler

I just noticed that it blinks!

What did you win?

 

[Dirtbag]

What did you win?

the discussion (about whether knowing you can't change something means you should just give in)

 

[TDG]

All I'd say to jdfox would be: It's as much someone's right to tell someone not to buy the Halo Wars SE as it is your right to tell us that we're deluded Bungie fanboys for not wanting people to buy the Halo Wars SE. Just as in the past it was just as much your right to complain about people defending Bungie as it was others' right to complain about people attacking Bungie.

And really, when you storm into a thread once every two months to rant at people about how they have no right to do this or that, you're bound to look pretty ridiculous. And when you yell at people that they can't tell people what they can't do, you look like a hypocrite. This is really the best summary I can give to you of your posting in this thread: ridiculous and hypocritical.

 

[Kibbles]

Spoiler

I just noticed that it blinks!

What did you win?

Spoiler

Yeah that one does, his real avatar doesn't Here's the next-gen version, more realistic winkage.

I'm sensing the sweet aroma of a Mythic ViDoc coming by the end of February. More stuff from "Now until March", we got Sandbox screenshots and info this week, and we'll get some more on Monday from IGN, so what's next? I'm guessing more goodies in the Weekly Updates, maybe a little more clarification on skulls, and finally... a ViDoc.

 

[Striker]

Who is saying that? I don't think anyone in here is saying this, you've turned this into something its not.

*sigh*

Dax has stated time and time before he wants Halo Wars for the game, and wants the maps as well. Yet, it didn't stop people from jumping on his decision.

Given the context, it was the natural rebuttal given your argument.
Unless of course posting something like 'internet serious business' means I shouldn't have taken you serious in the first place, I still win.
Certainly appears to have bothered you.

Yeah, because it was me who said you were a coward. It was me who said your opinion means shit. It is me who is acting like my opinion is > facts > your opinion -- oh wait a second, that's you.

Your earlier post:

What an absolutely horrible rebuttal / terrible attitude - totally cowardly. You would have been better off not-posting.

Because you have no chance of stopping something, you should give in/up? Coward

I'll go out swinging till the day I die otherwise your opinions/ideas mean shit.

Yet, you claim I'm bothered? Okay, :lol

 

[Dirtbag]

*sigh*

Dax has stated time and time before he wants Halo Wars for the game, and wants the maps as well. Yet, it didn't stop people from jumping on his decision.


Yeah, because it was me who said you were a coward. It was me who said your opinion means shit. It is me who is acting like my opinion is > facts > your opinion -- oh wait a second, that's you.

Your earlier post:

What an absolutely horrible rebuttal / terrible attitude - totally cowardly. You would have been better off not-posting.

Because you have no chance of stopping something, you should give in/up? Coward

I'll go out swinging till the day I die otherwise your opinions/ideas mean shit.

Yet, you claim I'm bothered? Okay, :lol

How could anyone pretend I'm NOT bothered?
I'm fucking Dennis Leary levels of disgruntled about this. I don't think that's really up for debate. This whole thing is product of a combination of how irritated I am, and the fact that I love to debate. I don't have a 'roll over and die bone' in my body which should be obvious from my posting history. It's just how I'm wired as a person.

Keep dodging the issue all you want.

I guess it's worth stating that my irritation with Halo Wars CE pales in comparison to the cowardly opinion that not being able to change something means you should just give in.

 

[EazyB]

Buy Halo Wars, but don't buy the CE. Simple as that dude.

Here's my plan. Gamefly Halo Wars + swap the disc out for a identical copy

= Profit

 

[kylej]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKC-A2fSQ3Y

damn this is a good performance

 

[GhaleonEB]

How could anyone pretend I'm NOT bothered?
I'm fucking Dennis Leary levels of disgruntled about this. I don't think that's really up for debate. This whole thing is product of a combination of how irritated I am, and the fact that I love to debate. I don't have a 'roll over and die bone' in my body which should be obvious from my posting history. It's just how I'm wired as a person.

Keep dodging the issue all you want.

I guess it's worth stating that my irritation with Halo Wars CE pales in comparison to the cowardly opinion that not being able to change something means you should just give in.

This applies in real life, as well, as I witnessed at PAX. :lol

I mean that as a compliment.

 

[Dirtbag]

This applies in real life, as well, as I witnessed at PAX. :lol

I mean that as a compliment.

Thanks!

 

[LunaticPuma]

So if I get the Halo Wars CE for $67, am I helping or hurting? I would essentially be paying $5 for the maps instead of $10 if I consider a normal game to be $62 (MSRP + tax). Decisions, decisions... Will wait and see how the demo makes me feel tomorrow.

 

[TDG]

I guess it's worth stating that my irritation with Halo Wars CE pales in comparison to the cowardly opinion that not being able to change something means you should just give in.

DAGGER!

 

[Kibbles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKC-A2fSQ3Y

damn this is a good performance

wut?

 

[fin]

Who's applauding MS? I think everyone can agree that the Mythic release is FUBAR'd.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

My decision to getting CE is

A. I have gift cards (I don't have to pay full price) and I have the money
B. I see getting the maps early as a bonus since I would of got them eventually
C. I decided since Halo 2 to get the SE for each Halo game because I enjoy them and as a fan I like to have a little collection. I like to have them as like collectible items, even if they don't mean much, I still do it anyway.

Who's applauding MS? I think everyone can agree that the Mythic release is FUBAR'd.

Very true, it still is a dumb move to the fans.

 

[REV 09]

does anyone know if the maps are downloadable from the disc or is it a redeemable code?

i have two 360s so it would be nice to just download the maps from the disc onto both...but if it's a code, then it'll probably only be useful for one of 360s.

either way, the chances of me getting the CE are slim.

 

[GhaleonEB]

wut?

Well, it is.

 

[Metroidvania]

does anyone know if the maps are downloadable from the disc or is it a redeemable code?

i have two 360s so it would be nice to just download the maps from the disc onto both...but if it's a code, then it'll probably only be useful for one of 360s.

either way, the chances of me getting the CE are slim.

99.99% sure it's a code.

Damn, now I'm reminiscing of getting the maps free back in Halo 2 doing that.

 

[EazyB]

My reason for not getting Halo Wars:
- Don't want to see any more practices like this: The delaying of finished content and the bundling of maps with unrelated content.

And even if my [Edit...: lone] boycott doesn't change anything, at least I'll know I didn't support it.

 

[backflip10019]

Wow, I played like fucking garbage tonight. I'm disgusted with myself.

 

[GhaleonEB]

My reason for not getting Halo Wars:
- Don't want to see any more practices like this: The delaying of finished content and the bundling of maps with unrelated content.

And even if my loan boycott doesn't change anything, at least I'll know I didn't support it.

Actually, boycotting loans in the current financial environments is a good idea. The credit markets are shit right now.

 

[PedroLumpy]

It's quite simple. If you have a problem with the method of delivery for the Mythic map pack, you don't support it. If you do, well all your previous complaints look silly. There is always room for changing one's mind, but you lose the right to be taken seriously if you ever complain about something similar down the road.

All the posted complaints are irrelevant, it's the voting with your wallet that matters. You buy it, you're giving these practices the thumbs up. And that's your decision, don't let me, or some other poster tell you how much something should be of value to you. Both sides opinions are right, for in the end your values dictate the proper response. Free Market at work.

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Will the compensation sent Bungie's way differ depending on the method the maps are obtained? Disregarding ODST, just Halo Wars CE vs. Buying on marketplace.

 

[Blueblur1]

My reason for not getting Halo Wars:
- Don't want to see any more practices like this: The delaying of finished content and the bundling of maps with unrelated content.

And even if my [Edit...: lone] boycott doesn't change anything, at least I'll know I didn't support it.

You're not alone. I came to my senses and decided that I won't buy a game I do not want. Marketplace release or bust.

 

[EazyB]

Will the compensation sent Bungie's way differ depending on the method the maps are obtained? Disregarding ODST, just Halo Wars CE vs. Buying on marketplace.

Bungie's been compensated enough as it is. They get some exposure by tagging some of their content into a "genre defining game"; the honor only is more than enough. Who knows, maybe some people will see this Mythic map code thinging and check out Halo 3.

You're not alone. I came to my senses and decided that I won't buy a game I do not want. Marketplace release or bust.

Then you're one of the good guys

Spoiler

I really don't care if a couple posters here go out and pick up Halo Wars, that's their prerogative. I just hope they take a second to look beyond the instinctual "awesome maps, gunna buy!" and see what they're supporting and maybe even the repercussions of such support.

But if someone dares to defend this move as being good for the fans or say it's warranted because MS gets more money than I'll go into dick punching mode.

 

[Domino Theory]

My decision to getting CE is

A. I have gift cards (I don't have to pay full price) and I have the money
B. I see getting the maps early as a bonus since I would of got them eventually
C. I decided since Halo 2 to get the SE for each Halo game because I enjoy them and as a fan I like to have a little collection. I like to have them as like collectible items, even if they don't mean much, I still do it anyway.

If you have to post on a message board to people over the internet on your justifications for buying the CE, then you yourself don't want to buy the CE.

You shouldn't be justifying your own, adult-made decision unless, of course, you yourself are doubting said decision deep down.

Just sayin'.

Bungie's been compensated enough as it is. They get some exposure by tagging some of their content into a "genre defining game"; the honor only is more than enough. Who knows, maybe some people will see this Mythic map code thinging and check out Halo 3.

I think he's talking about compensation in terms of $$$. Royalties will go to Bungie for every CE sold, I think (same goes for XBLMP downloads of the Map Pack). Not sure, though. I'm better with Business (my major) than I am with Finance (yuck).

 

[Striker]

Keep dodging the issue all you want.

I guess it's worth stating that my irritation with Halo Wars CE pales in comparison to the cowardly opinion that not being able to change something means you should just give in.

Dodging what issue? No, it's not a great plan, but bitching about it on here for the past several months has done what exactly... forced you to kick a few dogs? Raised your voice?

Last I checked, you're the person who resorts to name-calling and acting as if your opinion is greater than others. That's great, dude. It's a message board. Somebody who doesn't own the exact same beliefs as you and you get pissed. That isn't healthy. Oh well. I'm moving on.

 

[Tashi]

Wow, I played like fucking garbage tonight. I'm disgusted with myself.

don't worry. we all have our bad days. i'll figure out that DRM shit and then we'll play on my new account

 

[PedroLumpy]

Bungie's been compensated enough as it is. They get some exposure by tagging some of their content into a "genre defining game"; the honor only is more than enough. Who knows, maybe some people will see this Mythic map code thing and check out Halo 3.

I think he's talking about compensation in terms of $$$. Royalties will go to Bungie for every CE sold, I think (same goes for XBLMP downloads of the Map Pack). Not sure, though. I'm better with Business (my major) than I am with Finance (yuck).

Off chance he's poking fun.

It's always important to be able to laugh about something.

 

[Domino Theory]

So if I get the Halo Wars CE for $67, am I helping or hurting? I would essentially be paying $5 for the maps instead of $10 if I consider a normal game to be $62 (MSRP + tax). Decisions, decisions... Will wait and see how the demo makes me feel tomorrow.

Hurting. But in the end, you do what YOU think is right for YOU.

I guess I'm bias against the CE for other personal reasons such as not being able to gift folks the Mythic Maps until much later than anticipated. I live to give.

 

[EazyB]

Hurting. But in the end, you do what YOU think is right for YOU.

I guess I'm bias against the CE for other personal reasons such as not being able to gift folks the Mythic Maps until much later than anticipated. I live to give.

I'll let you gift me the LE Halo Wars.

I live to facilitate your need to give.

 

[Deleted member 21120]

I think he's talking about compensation in terms of $$$. Royalties will go to Bungie for every CE sold, I think (same goes for XBLMP downloads of the Map Pack). Not sure, though. I'm better with Business (my major) than I am with Finance (yuck).

I'm fairly positive that it's been stated somewhere that Bungie makes no money off of the map packs. Which means no royalties off of the CE.

I'm sure they ship a game, they get paid. And then they get paid again when they deliver the DLC maps. They don't make money off of DLC sales. This is just my understanding of the situation. I can't remember where I read this, though, so I could be wrong.

 

[Dirtbag]

Dodging what issue? No, it's not a great plan, but bitching about it on here for the past several months has done what exactly... forced you to kick a few dogs? Raised your voice?

Last I checked, you're the person who resorts to name-calling and acting as if your opinion is greater than others. That's great, dude. It's a message board. Somebody who doesn't own the exact same beliefs as you and you get pissed. That isn't healthy. Oh well. I'm moving on.

Dodging the 'coward' issue.
I don't see how your claim that "because you probably can't change anything, you should just give in" is not a cowardly act

Spoiler

and dually a terribly weak argument

. Your best defense seems to be labeling it as name-calling and e-bullying..... well Boo-hoo that your feelings got hurt over it, 'woe is me' even.
Present a real case, and maybe you'd have a chance to sway my opinion, this is typical of debate and practically half the fun of participating in message boards. If you were just here for information, you'd never bother posting outside of the occasional question left unanswered.

But alas, you've moved on.

 

[Self Induced]

I'll let you gift me the LE Halo Wars.

I live to facilitate your need to give.

Same here. I'll get in line.

 

[Dirtbag]

It's quite simple. If you have a problem with the method of delivery for the Mythic map pack, you don't support it. If you do, well all your previous complaints look silly. There is always room for changing one's mind, but you lose the right to be taken seriously if you ever complain about something similar down the road.

All the posted complaints are irrelevant, it's the voting with your wallet that matters. You buy it, you're giving these practices the thumbs up. And that's your decision, don't let me, or some other poster tell you how much something should be of value to you. Both sides opinions are right, for in the end your values dictate the proper response. Free Market at work.

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Will the compensation sent Bungie's way differ depending on the method the maps are obtained? Disregarding ODST, just Halo Wars CE vs. Buying on marketplace.

This I totally agree with, even the bolded part (though it won't stop me from presenting my case).
Sadly most of the arguments aren't about value of what is being purchased, and part of that value has already been forced and subtracted, in the form of a delay to the rest of us that already support the product (halo 3 in this case)... so its not necessarily fair ground in terms of the start.

Knowing the whole situation, and likely being in the minority of people that see this whole picture in regards to the mythic map-pack.. At least on some philosophical level, you might even argue that as this consumer you have a higher responsibility to justify that purchase vs. those less 'in the know' (of the history of the mappack and it's unfortunate delay, and why the halo3 experience has suffered in relation to it's release). Admittedly, a tough argument I'm trying to make on this point.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I BETRAY HALO3

Accurate gamertag is accurate.

Halo 3 Career Stats

Total Games 658
Matchmade Games 636
Custom Games 22
Campaign Missions 0
Highest Skill 7
Total EXP -40

Enter game, kill some guys on the team, get booted. Lovely chap.

 

[Mr Vociferous]

I BETRAY HALO3

Wow, I'm surprised you found this chap's misbehavior, what with the low profile he's running.

 

[LukeSmith]

I guess I'm bias against the CE for other personal reasons such as not being able to gift folks the Mythic Maps until much later than anticipated. I live to give.

We're going to step up here and get as many codes as we can (for the Mythic Map Pack) out into the Community ether. Not sure yet when we'll have official details [I heard Sketch and Urk scheming over the Eno records in my headphones], but wheels are turning.

 

[Striker]

Wow, I'm surprised you found this chap's misbehavior, what with the low profile he's running.

Scan Youtube real quick for "x no. of MS points For LVL 50". People boast about boosting and buying MS points to get a new account with a level 50 attached. As bad as modding and standbying was in Halo 2, Halo 3's biggest cheating fiasco is alt-accounts/boostng, like you showed.

 

[Dirtbag]

Scan Youtube real quick for "x no. of MS points For LVL 50". People boast about boosting and buying MS points to get a new account with a level 50 attached. As bad as modding and standbying was in Halo 2, Halo 3's biggest cheating fiasco is alt-accounts/boostng, like you showed.

Something of a sign of improvement by comparison to it's predecessor. Most of the times I want to pull my hair out from halo 3 is either my own fault, or getting stuck playing 1 sided vip / heavies / or finding a ranked match with more then 3 teammates.

Boosting has ramifications in the form of a hammer, should it be done sloppily... ask juices about it.

 

[Domino Theory]

We're going to step up here and get as many codes as we can (for the Mythic Map Pack) out into the Community ether. Not sure yet when we'll have official details [I heard Sketch and Urk scheming over the Eno records in my headphones], but wheels are turning.

Holy shit, nice!

 

[The Librarian]

We're going to step up here and get as many codes as we can (for the Mythic Map Pack) out into the Community ether. Not sure yet when we'll have official details [I heard Sketch and Urk scheming over the Eno records in my headphones], but wheels are turning.

That's really awesome of you guys.