ChoosableOne
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He looks better now that he's freed from the telltale character appearance and facial expressions, but it seems like he still has a bit of a way to go.
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The face of James Sunderland in the Silent Hill 2 remake is changing
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He looks better now that he's freed from the telltale character appearance and facial expressions, but it seems like he still has a bit of a way to go.
CityHunter1981
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Zero hopes in the Remake. End of last year I played again the original and with some mods it is still great, so we don’t really need the remake.
I would be more hopeful if Konami would care about the quality, but they showed with the recent Silent hill releases that they don’t care at all.
I would be more hopeful if Konami would care about the quality, but they showed with the recent Silent hill releases that they don’t care at all.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Quite confident that Bloober will make SH2 look good, art's always been their strongest attribute. Animation has been stiff in the past, which is a potential area of concern, but it all pales into insignificance when the game itself is problematic in the sense of that long-time fans will demand fidelity to the original, and the original was quite dated and primitive even in its day outside its presentation.
Said it before, I'll say it again. The *only* way this game works is if it incorporates a perfect 1:1 remaster of the original (old VA and all), plus a modernized "remake" which addresses all the short-comings of the original as designed. e.g. updated dynamic combat, even at a cost of changing its overall feel - and maybe even story.
The more I've thought about this project, the more convinced I've become that its a poison chalice. Especially because clearly the "lesser of two evils" approach is to update to modern standards and expectations and let legacy/traditionalist fans be damned. 2001 is a long time ago and things have changed greatly since then; for a start-off the atmosphere and story first approach that was genuinely novel back then is (imho) simply not enough to sell as a $70 game in 2024. The audience will expect more, even when that "more" will change the essence of what made the original so special.
Said it before, I'll say it again. The *only* way this game works is if it incorporates a perfect 1:1 remaster of the original (old VA and all), plus a modernized "remake" which addresses all the short-comings of the original as designed. e.g. updated dynamic combat, even at a cost of changing its overall feel - and maybe even story.
The more I've thought about this project, the more convinced I've become that its a poison chalice. Especially because clearly the "lesser of two evils" approach is to update to modern standards and expectations and let legacy/traditionalist fans be damned. 2001 is a long time ago and things have changed greatly since then; for a start-off the atmosphere and story first approach that was genuinely novel back then is (imho) simply not enough to sell as a $70 game in 2024. The audience will expect more, even when that "more" will change the essence of what made the original so special.
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mansoor1980
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looks like leon
Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Its looking more like a downgrade to me
Badlucktroll
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Badlucktroll
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My guess is bloobers saw some feedback and is going to rejigger some shit here and there
willothedog
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BaldingAshCrimson
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I don't think that's relevant, personally. There are games from the SNES era and up, that totally transcend their release date (Chrono Trigger, Metroid Fusion, so on), The PS2 library had a bunch of them.
I'm totally not gonna argue with you that Silent Hill 2 is perfect, it's clearly not (Some people may argue that it being imperfect is the charm of it, but that's besides the point here)
I think the updates that it needs, would be quality of life ones. Make the game a bit less obtuse (It's an issue SH 1 has as well, some people may need guide to know where to go or what to do, not to mention getting the "right" ending), or play better (while keeping the whole concept of you not being as skilled as a Resident Evil protagonist)
And arguably visual updates. I still think the original looks good (SH 3 as well, Jesus Christ, that game...), but it's a biased opinion (I don't mind old graphics at all). I can see a new generation of gamers not being found of the visuals.
The issue most people are iffy about, is the plot, characters, and writing part.
And we will see that when it comes out
If it's gonna be an updated or a complete parody.Anywah, no beef with what you said, by the way.
Just that last part made me want to reply.
Punished Miku
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There's no replacing that iconic face.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
he/she (pronounce) will be diversified.
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Mr Hyde
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There is definitely gonna be a conversation around her. Most likely negative. Bloober needs to stay true to the source here, but given how James looks....
Badlucktroll
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Strap in, because i bet Konami is going to comission an original game from Bloober after this. I would play a direct sequel with adult laura going back
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Noone hated it as far as I recall, but it was given a lot of slack for it being a mood-piece and not an action game despite having its combat being recognized as being relatively weak.
Trying to solve this exact "problem" is pretty much what ended up killing the franchise back then.
Better combat was not, and is not, going to improve SH in the same way it improves RE. Trying to wedge it in is just a waste of time because a huge part of the vibe is the feeling of being in a nightmare you cannot fight your way out of.
The internet wasn't a safe place to express your gratitude towards what you like especially if hating is common towards that thing, I don't want to mention sites but I'm certain it wasn't entirely their fault.
If it wasn't hating then it could mean a 100 different perceptions like
-Prior Expectations
-Gameplay
-Different povs initiated from different set of games collections
-Wrong audience
-friends
-poor judgment,
You could tell, even with respect, someone's opinion is bad news, it doesn't matter if that person watched his language or not, that doesn't change his view a bit.
Killer8
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At the time some fans wanted more of SH1 and found SH2's psychological horror and storytelling too opaque. The move towards more bloody horror in SH3 was because of Silent Hill 2 failing to meet fan and sales expectations. This is what Jeremy Blaustein, the voice director and translator of the games said in a deleted tweet:
This is corroborated by Ito:
It was particularly worse in his homeland:
I think the mythology of Silent Hill on forums is that it was this dream team of avant-garde artists who could just do whatever they wanted, creating 3 of the greatest games of all time and then just imploded due to corporate meddling. A supposed perfect example of what artists can do when free to create. The truth is that the series development was always a reactive one, adapting to circumstance as well as fan and market forces since the very start. Creator Keiichiro Toyama left after just one game and Ito said that the team was ordered to create a SH2 which appealed more to Westerners (which is possibly why it didn't appeal as much to the Japanese). SH3 was then changed in response to SH2's own failures, and SH4 apparently wasn't even meant to be a Silent Hill game originally. Beyond the breakout success of the first game, the continued success of the series to me was more of a happy accident, and i'd also say the bulk of the reverence for it has actually come in the decades after.
Audiophile
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Never played the Silent Hill games. Need to pick up a PS2 so I can play SH1, SH2 & SH3. Think I'd rather experience the originals in their original form before this (assuming this remake is any good and worth playing to begin with).
NeverYouMind
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That is probably why I like it so much. Much like the first it can stand on its own.
Badlucktroll
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They need to just drop this game as a ps2 classic on ps5
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StreetsofBeige
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If you look at all of Bloober's horror games lately, they get about a 70/100 score. Style and creeps are fine. Graphics, frame rate and animations are sketchy. I dont remember how good their audio quality is (music and VA).
On the plus side for SH, they already got an established franchise and plot to latch onto. So really, all they got to do is stay true to the core game and just amp up everything better instead of starting from scratch making a new IP.
On the plus side for SH, they already got an established franchise and plot to latch onto. So really, all they got to do is stay true to the core game and just amp up everything better instead of starting from scratch making a new IP.
TerribleAtThisGame
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He looks better now that he's freed from the telltale character appearance and facial expressions, but it seems like he still has a bit of a way to go.
Still looks like David Lynch in the 70s. Which would be a cool nod if I had even 1/10 faith in this dev.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
What did you just call James?
magnumpy
Member
I don't think that's relevant, personally. There are games from the SNES era and up, that totally transcend their release date (Chrono Trigger, Metroid Fusion, so on), The PS2 library had a bunch of them.
I'm totally not gonna argue with you that Silent Hill 2 is perfect, it's clearly not (Some people may argue that it being imperfect is the charm of it, but that's besides the point here)
I think the updates that it needs, would be quality of life ones. Make the game a bit less obtuse (It's an issue SH 1 has as well, some people may need guide to know where to go or what to do, not to mention getting the "right" ending), or play better (while keeping the whole concept of you not being as skilled as a Resident Evil protagonist)
And arguably visual updates. I still think the original looks good (SH 3 as well, Jesus Christ, that game...), but it's a biased opinion (I don't mind old graphics at all). I can see a new generation of gamers not being found of the visuals.
The issue most people are iffy about, is the plot, characters, and writing part.
And we will see that when it comes out
Anywah, no beef with what you said, by the way.
Just that last part made me want to reply.
I see what you're saying, the whole remake/remaster "genre" has a questionable track record. there's also the question of how soon is too soon, is ~a decade enough time for this to be necessary at all?
as always the proof is in the pudding, this can be done either well OR poorly. here's hoping for me at least this proves itself to be done well!
SenkiDala
Member
Agreed, blooper just make average games, it can change but that last action trailer made me lose all hopes. And updating the face of the protagonist with a "cleaner /softer" one... I really think they don't understand what is Silent Hill.
Why the fuck did those devs gain enough notoriety to be given the responsibility of remaking SH2...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Probably because there arent a lot of studio that can make horror games for cheap. There is no way a studio like Bloober is a super expensive studio to run. Their games arent rated great, but they do have a steady stream of experience making them.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
in the first pic, James knew how bad and pathetic he was, in the second, he is totally oblivious to his dark past.
SenkiDala
Member
Yeah you're right, but of course the fact that the priority of Konami when they searched a dev for the remake of SH2 is "cheap", is just sad.
We lost the opportunity of the Kojima's SH but imagine a SH by the Resident Evil team of Capcom, would be fun, or even from Miami. Or Frédérick Raynal, the creator of Alone in the Dark.
peronmls
Member
Absolutely not. Please keep that in your dreams.
I think the SH1 had the best balance.
kiphalfton
Member
The problem is his forehead... is a 2-head. Looks stupid.
Kiya's Guard
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Leon's hair
March Climber
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I have an idea…improve the combat but remove all crosshairs, like Condemned. That way everyone wins.