SmokedMeat
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The same as it’s always been making PC games. PC gaming isn’t new.
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The Callisto Protocol Devs working on fixing PC Issuie
The same as it’s always been making PC games. PC gaming isn’t new.
TrebleShot
Member
This is a horrible tweet as someone mentioned earlier in the thread if it’s easy enough to patch in a few hours why wasn’t it in the final code.
The Tweet screams of “get a statement out asap” then we’ll do some triage on it and see what we can do. I’d be amazed if this is fixed in a few hours and it certainly won’t be tested in that time.
The end user is the tester. Interesting.
The Tweet screams of “get a statement out asap” then we’ll do some triage on it and see what we can do. I’d be amazed if this is fixed in a few hours and it certainly won’t be tested in that time.
The end user is the tester. Interesting.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Fix the PC version and ill buy it!
Inexcusable.
Inexcusable.
drotahorror
Member
Just a few hours to fix guys. Promise.
*looks at time*
*found update
*looks at time*
*found update
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Small indie studio, please understand.
Dude is in full damage control now.
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GHG
Member
And to think, a few weeks ago this man was happily swinging his balls about telling the world his game is AAAA.
Now he's all like "we're a startup".
Wesleyalucard
Member
So, Krafton and 343 lost the AAAA battle to Rockstar, Naughy Dog and now Santa Monica
Grildon Tundy
Member
This puts the fix as going through Steam in about 15 minutes from the time of this post
Thaedolus
Member
Guys, users found a fix on their own that was like editing an ini file or something.
You’re all acting like they knew the game ran like shit on PC anyway, or it went through QA like this, and they just said “fuck it!” anyway?
There was probably some issue of version control or something and a build with the wrong switch flipped got shipped, and that’s how they’re going to be able to fix it so quickly. End of story. Quit trying to make this into them just being too lazy to prechache the shaders on PC when consoles with 1/5th the power can apparently do it. They made a mistake and are going to fix it as fast as they can, and I’m sure they’re mortified that it happened
You’re all acting like they knew the game ran like shit on PC anyway, or it went through QA like this, and they just said “fuck it!” anyway?
There was probably some issue of version control or something and a build with the wrong switch flipped got shipped, and that’s how they’re going to be able to fix it so quickly. End of story. Quit trying to make this into them just being too lazy to prechache the shaders on PC when consoles with 1/5th the power can apparently do it. They made a mistake and are going to fix it as fast as they can, and I’m sure they’re mortified that it happened
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GHG
Member
This puts the fix as going through Steam in about 15 minutes from the time of this post
I expect nothing but if this actually fixes everything why not just delay the game for a couple of days on PC?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Midn1ght
Member
How in god damn hell do you "miss" an issue that big and evident.
If these studios are really releasing these games without knowing about the stutter issues then something is fundamentally broken in their pre-launch testing process.
So yeah, him going: "I swear, we didn't know guys"
Grildon Tundy
Member
Reading his tweets, I don't think the version they intended to release was actually released. Sounds like someone pushed the wrong update/version to publish. Someone on Reddit said the Epic version has already had this latest patch pushed. Steam still waiting atm.
I have the game open in Steam right now. Holding off continuing in hopes it actually gets updated.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Chris_Rivera
Member
I hope for their sake this patch resolves the shader compilation issues. The reviews on Steam are so sensitive to perf.
This could have been avoided had they sent out review copies earlier/or not had such a limited embargo period. Hopefully nobody is undeservedly taking the fall.
This could have been avoided had they sent out review copies earlier/or not had such a limited embargo period. Hopefully nobody is undeservedly taking the fall.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Pretty sure that's the case, reading Glen's tweets.
Really hope it's true and the patch fixes it. Been waiting eagerly for this game ever since the first reveal. Tried playing a few times today and the stutter is absolutely immersion breaking. Even people who aren't graphics ho's would notice it
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
If the patch completely fixes the stuttering issues than I believe him. It's still a huge cockup that someone needs to lose a job over.
Chris_Rivera
Member
Their clever embargo period bit them in the ass.
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ZehDon
Gold Member
Glenn commented that, apparently, an error was made and something was incorrectly patched.
I suspect the RC that was tested and greenlit for the PC release wasn't the one that was uploaded to the various stores, perhaps a last-minute bug fix, and it introduced the stutter issue. Given that the stuttering specifically can mitigated with a config file change, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt here if the patch actually works as well as he's floating.
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Midn1ght
Member
Hope it's true, still a giant fuck up tho, the game is being destroyed by steam users reviews and probably being refunded left and right.
Chris_Rivera
Member
Now I’m wondering if the tedious combat is a means to pad playtime numbers.
Stuart360
Member
Yeah i saw a so called 'insider' on Reddit saying the patch they are going to release is actually the day one patch that they forgot to release with the game itself. Thats why the patch is coming so quickly.
Pretty embarrasing if true.
The bigger issue is some never get meaningfully fixed (eg. The Ascent).
Killer8
Member
Many questions raised by Glen's response.
If it was simply something they missed and is an easy fix in a few hours - why is the exact same shader compilation stutter such a pervasive issue in basically every high profile Unreal Engine 4 release using DX12? Do the settings/tools actually exist within the engine to prevent all of these #stutterstruggle issues we've been seeing?
If so, why the fuck is seemingly every Unreal Engine 4 developer a) failing to notice these issues before release, or b) noticing them but not doing anything to solve them with the solutions available?
Why is Epic also trying to develop an engine solution to the stutter (automated Pipeline State Object in UE5) if it's such an easy fix in a few hours for the developer to do?
If it was simply something they missed and is an easy fix in a few hours - why is the exact same shader compilation stutter such a pervasive issue in basically every high profile Unreal Engine 4 release using DX12? Do the settings/tools actually exist within the engine to prevent all of these #stutterstruggle issues we've been seeing?
If so, why the fuck is seemingly every Unreal Engine 4 developer a) failing to notice these issues before release, or b) noticing them but not doing anything to solve them with the solutions available?
Why is Epic also trying to develop an engine solution to the stutter (automated Pipeline State Object in UE5) if it's such an easy fix in a few hours for the developer to do?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That patch can't come soon enough ..
Rea
Member
No dev is lazy dev, if you don't know how is the software development environment, simply shut your mouth.
This is a big project with small team, dealing with deadlines. Be respectful for any software developer.
lukilladog
Member
Holy Crap, Beardo at youtube was getting lots of drops into the 30's and 40's with a 4090 at 1440p and dx11 (which has no RT).
lukilladog
Member
01011001
Banned
explain how the team behind the port of Sackboy fixed the shader stutters literally within a week... you gonna tell me there was no time for that during the initial porting process?
devs just don't give a shit...
devs literally often just forget to enable the correct settings in games, which is how we often ended up with Xbox One X games that run Xbox One S settings even tho the PS4 and PS4 Pro use higher settings.
or how in talks with devs the DF team reported that the reason so many games had such shit texture filtering on last gen is that they didn't care to check if it's enabled and they didn't notice.
so the possibility of devs being lazy, don't care, or at least that they are fucking incompetent is not impossible for many games or ports
MiguelItUp
Member
Krafton came up with that during a quarterly review. I don't think Glen ran around saying that. I'm sure people cornered him asking him wtf that meant and maybe he rolled with it, but the comment wasn't made by him or his studio.And to think, a few weeks ago this man was happily swinging his balls about telling the world his game is AAAA.
Now he's all like "we're a startup".
He's not wrong, their studio is technically a start up, and this is their first title.
LaughingStock
Member
Too late. Refunded. i'll wait for a sale.
Rea
Member
Different priorities, targets, time, budget, Different projects, many other things which you don't know. It's not as simple as writing paragraphs in Microsoft Words. It's true some are more talented than the others. Simply calling them lazy is just insulting to the professionals with years of experience. Pretty sure for this game they spend most of their time and budget optimizing for Playstation platforms. That's all there is.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Hm...you know what? That Digital Foundry review tearing the PC version a new one came out a day or two ago, and it drew attention to the stutter issue. So even if they accidentally released the wrong version of the game...wouldn't they have caught it then?
Kacho
Member
That framerate is cinematic as fuck
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Patch appears to be live
Desprado123
Member
Does it fix?
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
He was bragging about crunch just for the game to still come out broken…hate to see it.
jesus lol, he should turn frame generation on it might get it to 24fps oh it's amd sponsored game too bad. /s
Kacho
Member
I assume he means PST since most US devs are in California
Edit: reading the Steam forums, sounds like PCMR is back on the menu, boys.
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jigglet
Banned
Oh I thought they were based on Korea. They should really be using SBRST (split based relative standard time) between the two locations.