SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Damn, I’ll be jumping on any $1 promos when this hits.
Game Pass is causing all the meltdowns.
Win for everyone is it on ps plus I don't play these types of gamesWo Long is coming to Game Pass and the developer talks about why they choose to do it.
Q: Wo Long is going to be day one on Game Pass. What made the team want to go the Game Pass route and how, if it has, already benefitted the team?
Yasuda-san:This is a first for us being day one on Xbox Game Pass.
While we’re making a really, really hard game and we’re not sure what everyone will think of that, but by making it available day one on Game Pass so many players that maybe never played this game before will have a chance to do that and we’ll get even more players around the world than ever before.
So yeah, this is a big first for us at Koei Tecmo Games and Team Ninja as well and it’s something we’re really excited about.
We also think it’ll be really great for the multiplayer with so many people to play with and really increase the number of people you have available to join your party and take on bosses.
https://mp1st.com/news/team-ninja-e...h-wo-long-fallen-dynasty-day-one-on-game-pass
TL: DR developer probably got money covering most of the development cost and accepted.
Win for everyone.
Yes it will, since sales = revenue.Well, let's be honest here: Does anyone actually believe its going to increase sales for multi-platform titles? Either in the short or long term?
KT isn't a big publisher for some of those games 50-100K sales on Xbox is better than none and they already go to PC so not difficult ports.I guess now you mention all these games, they have more output than I realise on Xbox.
In my head I'm thinking the only recent games they have put out are ninja gaiden remaster & the fatal frame game.
I'm personally not into the warrior games so I kinda ignore them (didn't even realise they were Tecmo Koei tbh)
I guess the games must do well enough already on Xbox if they keep coming.
I am still genuinely surprised Nioh never came to Xbox, as it seemed like a big seller for Koei Tecmo & it doesn't seem like Sony paid anything to make it exclusive either.KT isn't a big publisher for some of those games 50-100K sales on Xbox is better than none and they already go to PC so not difficult ports.
If you have to pay people to participate in your service to make it worth it to them, isn't that a bad look on your service?And the trend continues: The only people who complain about Game Pass are the people who didn't get a bag to be on game pass.
Nioh was funded by Sony and published by Sony on consoles outside of Japan which is pretty standard fare as it's not overly expensive to self publish at home.I am still genuinely surprised Nioh never came to Xbox, as it seemed like a big seller for Koei Tecmo & it doesn't seem like Sony paid anything to make it exclusive either.
& I'm sure it landed on pc too right? I could be wrong though.
Ah okay, I was fully unaware off that tbh!Nioh is published by Sony.
Yes it will, since sales = revenue.
Well, let's be honest here: Does anyone actually believe its going to increase sales for multi-platform titles? Either in the short or long term?
Sending out the dog whistle for other japanese devs to not bother with xbox unless they write a gamepass check
Cause we all no the Xbox fan base doesnt pay for their games.
Only reason this is on game pass, no one would play it xbox otherwise lol,
Yes.
Because there is research that shows it. They spent 50% more than non subscribers.
How these kind of posts are allowed in every single game pass thread is always surprising/disappointing.
Good for you. The devs got their money from Microsoft already so they don't really care.Look, I've got both PS5 and Series S. What do you think I'm going to do?
I'll join Gamepass for a month and wait for it to come on sale on PS5 a few months down the line *IF* I decide I care enough. Whereas were the GP option not available, I'd probably buy it day#1.
Bear in mind that given I prefer the Playstation controller for this sort of game, so by switching platform Its likely going to add an extra complication to enjoying the game, further discouraging me from buying in.
Yes.
Because there is research that shows it. They spent 50% more than non subscribers.
How these kind of posts are allowed in every single game pass thread is always surprising/disappointing.
Yes.
Because there is research that shows it. They spent 50% more than non subscribers.
How these kind of posts are allowed in every single game pass thread is always surprising/disappointing.
Okay not even being funny but these stats are Hella misleading. Using percentage based data without disclosing the baseline is very dodgy. If you're subbed to GP you still have to buy games and dlc that isn't in the service so by default you spend more...
Good for you. The devs got their money from Microsoft already so they don't really care.
Yes.
Because there is research that shows it. They spent 50% more than non subscribers.
How these kind of posts are allowed in every single game pass thread is always surprising/disappointing.
* Subscribers spend 50% more: More than whom?
Look the bottom line is simply to look at what's NOT being claimed on these slides.
Don't worry the gold to GP conversion might end in the near future making 15 euro a month the standard price.
Don't believe the numbers, but absolutely believe the numbers that aren't there. Big brain time.Non subscribers on average.
Allow me to present an average GAF game pass thread tableau.
* Thread gets posted *
User 1: lol show us the numbers !
User 2: *shows numbers*
User 1: I don't believe you.gif
I think one way to combat that would be to tie Gamepass goodies to the big GaaS games like CoD (or Halo once it is resurrected). They're already gonna do it with League of Legends and Valorant. Gamepass runs out? You lose most of your LoL champions, for example.This is a very good point and will become an issue for MS in the future.
I did the 3yr conversion thing when I got my XSX, so I have another year left before I have to pay the real price.
Despite GPU being such amazing value, I doubt I will resub for more than 3months at a time at 15€ a month.
I also own a Switch and PS5, I guess I will get GPU for 3 months every year, play all the games I like and fuck off.
Disney+ and HBO switched to weekly releases to combat the "sign-up, bingewatch, fuck off" users, I'm really not sure what MS can do to stop that.
In video games, 90% of the big games release in Fall or Spring, so cancelling Gamepass from April to September seems logical.
But like the slide says compared to "Non Subscribers" which doesn't tell you how much non subscribers spend at all. Are those non subs people who were just playing Apex/Fortnite or the person who only buy 2 games a year? Context is very important and within the info provided there isn't any. It could be very impressive or not at all but as i just said without context there's no telling.Yeah, subscribers get a near unanimous 20% discount on everything along with a lot of unique sales and discounts on in-game content like DLCs, it encourages buying more and people reportedly spend 50% more compared to the ones who aren't subscribers.
Hence the tweet/research/comment saying the same.
Non subscribers on average.
Allow me to present an average GAF game pass thread tableau.
* Thread gets posted *
User 1: lol show us the numbers !
User 2: *shows numbers*
User 1: I don't believe you.gif
But like the slide says compared to "Non Subscribers" which doesn't tell you how much non subscribers spend at all. Are those non subs people who were just playing Apex/Fortnite or the person who only buy 2 games a year? Context is very important and within the info provided there isn't any. It could be very impressive or not at all but as i just said without context there's no telling.
I think one way to combat that would be to tie Gamepass goodies to the big GaaS games like CoD (or Halo once it is resurrected). They're already gonna do it with League of Legends and Valorant. Gamepass runs out? You lose most of your LoL champions, for example.
Then you're not understanding at all. There's not even an average presented which is what the data would be based on. I'm not saying the numbers are bad just, as they're presented, misleading.The context is that these are comparisons made to non subscribers, that's usually how most services do. No service reveals the kind of nuances per-user detail that you're asking for. We only get averages.
But then again we also have a solid numerical figure from their YoY earnings report. We know game pass earns roughly $180 million monthly from subscriptions.
The last known figure as of Jan 2021 was 25m subscribers and it may be at or beyond 30m right now. So that's a lot of users getting eyes on games like Wo Long than wouldn't without it being on game pass day 1. I think that's what MS and Team Ninja are more concerned with than revenue breakdowns.
Then you're not understanding at all. There's not even an average presented which is what the data would be based on. I'm not saying the numbers are bad just, as they're presented, misleading.
Also as for eyes on the game...there's literally a free demo out. That is
I've played and completed these games so far this year :Lasr year me & may kids finished playing 30 games. Lets presume that if I get all this games with price of average 30$ that is 900$.
I saved 740$ with gamepass + most of this games ar play one time & never play it again.
Clearly BIG WIN for me.
Or maybe, just maybe, people who has GP doesn't buy 70 euro games every or every second month, and just plays whatever seems interesting and available on GP? And buys heavily discounted games?Okay not even being funny but these stats are Hella misleading. Using percentage based data without disclosing the baseline is very dodgy. If you're subbed to GP you still have to buy games and dlc that isn't in the service so by default you spend more...
Yes.
Because there is research that shows it. They spent 50% more than non subscribers.
How these kind of posts are allowed in every single game pass thread is always surprising/disappointing.
Of course this is the only answer, but you see alot of people in GP related threads saying only bad games comes to GP, or that the poor devs earn literally nothing on it.They chose Gamepass because Microsoft paid them money. Anything else is a bonus.
Isn't he allowed to answer your question?Why, are we not allowed have a opinion on how bad we think Xbox and game pass is.
Well that is just objectively false on both fronts. There have been plenty of great games released over the past year and if devs didn't earn any money on it, word would get around and nobody would consider it a option.Of course this is the only answer, but you see alot of people in GP related threads saying only bad games comes to GP, or that the poor devs earn literally nothing on it.
Every time we have one of these threads we have people talking about how less money entering the industry from the consumer side is a good thing. It's not and the chickens will come home to roost eventually.
Why, are we not allowed have a opinion on how bad we think Xbox and game pass is.
1) They got money that exceeds Xbox sales. Chicken and waffles, mic drop.This doesn't need an explanation, they were offered an amount of money that they felt would exceed initial sales on Xbox so took it. Anything else is waffle.
If you want people to try the game then you can do a trial or a demo (the latter of which they've already done).
Every time we have one of these threads we have people talking about how less money entering the industry from the consumer side is a good thing. It's not and the chickens will come home to roost eventually.
one does not exclude the otherWell that is just objectively false on both fronts. There have been plenty of great games released over the past year and if devs didn't earn any money on it, word would get around and nobody would consider it a option.
1) They got money that exceeds Xbox sales. Chicken and waffles, mic drop.
2) Less money entering the industry is terrible and angry chickens will roost in your house soon, and they have a taste for human blood.
I think it's not that simple, the difference is between a one-time upfront model (sales) and a monthly recurring payment model (subs). The upfront model has a bigger pay off on the off set but the sustained subscription model has a slower but a much longer tail.
Yeah, that's true. I wasn't following what you were saying the first time I guess.Thanks for twisting my words.
I was quite clear in my statement:
"less money entering the industry from the consumer side"
Right now the consumer is being subsidised - that's a good thing for those who don't care about ownership or can only afford the monthly subscription as it's priced at the moment. However if overall consumer spend continues trending downwards then money flow issues will arise.
The money that is being given to the publishers/developers to put these games on subscription services doesn't get created out of thin air.
The only way this all works is if the money flowing in to monthly subscriptions increases enough to offset the decreases in all other areas of spending.
See above.
The money that is being given to the publishers/developers to put these games on subscription services doesn't get created out of thin air.
The only way this all works is if the money flowing in to monthly subscriptions increases enough to offset the decreases in all other areas of spending.
The only way to sub to gamepass my man.Damn, I’ll be jumping on any $1 promos when this hits.
This doesn't need an explanation, they were offered an amount of money that they felt would exceed initial sales on Xbox so took it.
Why are we not allowed to have an opinion on how idiotic we think your posts are?Why, are we not allowed have a opinion on how bad we think Xbox and game pass is.
praise to Turkey vpns!Don't worry the gold to GP conversion might end in the near future making 15 euro a month the standard price.