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Stringer banking on HD strategy for Sony rebound [article]

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Ive bolded some of the interesting stuff...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001393147

By Diane Mermigas

NEW YORK -- Eight months after being crowned Sony Corp.'s new warrior king, Howard Stringer is preparing to do battle with upstart rivals like Apple's iPod using an arsenal of new Blu-ray-enabled, high-definition portable and interactive devices and a marketing blitz designed to reinforce Sony's primacy in the next-generation media marketplace.

Clearly, Sony is banking on its much-anticipated PlayStation 3 to be the digital Trojan horse that will allow the company to triumph in the emerging world of personalized, interactive, multimedia products and services.

Stringer, the first non-Japanese chairman and CEO of Sony, already has scored a major victory in making its Blu-ray Disc next-generation DVD technology the de facto industry standard by enlisting the support of five of Hollywood's six major studios. The ultrafast super CELL microprocessor Sony helped create also will drive a spectrum of HD products -- from cutting-edge LCD television sets to HD camcorders and musical cell phones to the relaunched Walkman -- that are Sony's most potent weapons.

"We have an HD value chain that no one else in the business has," Stringer reflected during his first extensive sit-down interview since announcing Sony's restructuring in late September.

"Nobody talks about convergence anymore because it is a day-to-day reality," Stringer said on a recent Friday afternoon in his New York office. "We're living it, whether it is (PlayStation Portable) or phones or Walkmans or iPods. They are all finding new ways to deliver content."

In a demonstration of the swift collaborative response to consumer-driven marketplace changes that a revitalized Sony can deliver, the company soon will unveil a line of compact, portable video devices to fill the time gap before PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.

Unlike the PlayStation Portable, which has been elevated to a benchmark multimedia player with numerous upgrades since its launch eight months ago, these new, smaller devices will focus primarily on video and transferring user-selected content from digital video recorders and other devices using Sony Memory Sticks, direct downloads and preloaded fare. Sony's plans are still being developed under tight secrecy, but it is clear that the company's hope is to remind consumers that Sony already is active in the spaces where Apple wants to go with the video iPod.


Stringer believes the company's electronics expertise and aggressive, expansive content holdings uniquely position Japan's largest global icon at a time when technological standards and formats are being sorted out in Darwinian fashion in a marketplace where the clout of the individual consumer never has been greater.

"The company is worth fighting for," said Stringer, who describes himself "a Sony warrior" to investors dismayed by Sony's lagging stock price and $90 million in projected losses this fiscal year, compared with the $90 million in profits previously forecast.

The vital war plan is being executed by Stringer just a month after he unveiled a three-year restructuring plan that will eliminate $2 billion in costs, 10,000 jobs and the structural "silos" that have made the Japanese giant as insular as the country in which it is headquartered.

Sony's array of hardware and software products is creating a new "high-definition value chain that starts with cameras and goes through projectors and television sets and ends up with the PS3. You can see an HD necklace with all the pearls connected," Stringer said.

"Owning the content as we do is all of a sudden part of an integrated relationship with the device. Each understands the value of the other. And that is what makes Sony so unique, since we make them both," Stringer said. "More and more, you will see Sony's fully integrated HD strategy."

That dual advantage is why the company is in talks with major players including Comcast Corp. (an equity investor in Sony's recent acquisition of MGM), Yahoo!, Google and others about alliances involving services such as search, content licensing and the creation of niche content platforms.

If anyone has got the people skills and the strategic sense to pull it off, it is Sir Howard, as the 63-year-old Welsh-born executive is known affectionately throughout Sony. (He was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 1999.) Stringer made his mark as president of CBS News and later CBS Corp. before he joined Sony Corp. of America in 1997 as head of operations.

Although he is a U.S. citizen, Stringer makes his home in Oxfordshire, England, with his wife and two children. But he spends most of his time traveling every other week between New York and Sony's Tokyo headquarters. Stringer is quick to show Japanese-style reverence to Sony founders Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita by telling investors and shareholders that one of Sony's new goals is to "reclaim the primacy of our brand and the fighting Sony Spirit of Ibuka-san and Morita-san."

The undervalue of Sony electronics and the Sony brand in general is underscored by the fact that the company's current $36 billion market capitalization largely reflects Sony Entertainment (at more than $10 billion) and the PlayStation business (valued at about $20 billion), analysts said. Still, Sony's Japan-based electronics business contributes nearly three-quarters of the corporation's total $65 billion in revenue.

Stringer has made his mark in Tokyo in a short time, Sony insiders say, by becoming a part of his own team. He promptly moved his executive office at the company headquarters there from the seventh floor to the sixth floor, where he can freely walk the halls and converse with staff. Monthly huddles with next-generation executives keep new ideas flowing and the lines of communication open, and Stringer has placed well-regarded veteran electronics engineers in key posts to execute his plans.

Despite the language and cultural barriers, many of Sony's 160,000 employees have embraced the restructuring plan Stringer and Sony president and electronics CEO Ryoji Chubachi presented in September as radical moves long overdue: tearing down internal silos, fostering horizontal communications and establishing a significant level of goal-tracking and milestone-setting. Software and hardware development now occur simultaneously. These were not goals in two other failed restructuring efforts under his predecessor, Nobuyuki Idei, who stepped down in June.

"Howard is very approachable. He doesn't have airs about him. Even though he is a knight, you don't have to bow or curtsy in front of him," one high-level Sony executive remarked. "There used to be a lot of ceremony with the CEO position at Sony. There's not that much any more, but there is respect."

Blu-ray warrior

An early strategic victory in Stringer's tenure has been winning support from Warner Bros. and Paramount Pictures for Sony's campaign to make Blu-ray the standard for next-generation DVD production despite those studios' initial backing of the rival HD-DVD format, backed by Toshiba.

"Our alternative format ... is based on the premise that if you are going to take the DVD to the next generation, the customer experience better be more exotic. So, Blu-ray offers far more capacity and the potential for 3G (third-generation wireless technology) and interactivity. The Blu-ray package has greater selling power than transitional technology. But our studio's support for it, with so much of (the studio's) content digitized, was a selling point," Stringer said.

Although no money has changed hands and no major concessions were made, sources say that Sony has provided caps on Blu-ray disc manufacturing costs and timetable guarantees.

And it didn't hurt that Sony planned on making its own Blu-ray splash next year with the powerful PS3, with or without the support of other studios. As such, it will be a critical springboard for Sony to advance its product line, consumer relationships and balance sheet.

However, Blu-ray's higher capacity and improved quality next-generation DVDs will help stimulate consumer interest in advanced high-definition devices such as DVD players, televisions and hand-held units to provide continuity of the new experience. Such consumer upgrades would boost Sony's entire HD value chain of products -- from the Sony Panasonic Genesis camera used by film studios, 4K digital theater projectors, HD camcorder and the Bravia and SXRD rear projector screen televisions.

"The reason Sony has suddenly gained support for Blu-ray is simple," said a high-level studio executive close to the discussions. "PS3 is a subsidized Blu-ray play that will sell 20 million units. The first HD player will be on the market for $1,000. PS3 could be at $300 or $400. Sony will be selling them at a loss the first six months to a year just to get Blu-ray players out in the market. So studios realize they need to have their content on it."

That stands in sharp contrast to PS2, which exclusively offered Sony content simply because other studios could not be convinced it was a platform that would make money, company executives said.

"We own two studios. I don't think we would have been able to push Blu-ray through without them because the initial enthusiasm for HD-DVD was because it was cheaper," Stringer said.


The ability to control the flow of its own expansive content archives, as well as those of competing content producers, onto its open electronics platforms provides another lucrative revenue stream. That is a huge advantage over competitors, as underscored by Apple's decision to recently launch its long-awaited video iPod complete with select paid content, such as ABC hit series "Desperate Housewives" and "Lost."

"Why would someone want to pay $1.99 per download of one TV series episode on a closed system like a video iPod when they can transfer all the content they want from their own devices like DVRs to our multimedia portable player at no extra cost? Consumers already can do this with the PlayStation Portable," Stringer said.

My Comment: As evidence by the recent 1million in video sales... lots of people apparently would pay $1.99 per download. ;)

Indeed, packaging Universal Media Discs of "Spider-Man 2" with the new PSP in March convinced Sony that its PlayStation franchise had the potential to be much more than a game player. The PS3 and portable new multimedia devices will feature original short-form content, Internet messaging and other functions.


The total number of PlayStation models in the world equals the populations of Japan, South Korea and Australia, Stringer likes to note in speeches. "That's roughly 200 million machines all speaking the same language," he says.

The promise of PS3 already has served as a catalyst for new business alliances for Sony. Comcast is in talks with Sony about ways it can joint venture on the PS3 and other Sony portable video devices to extend its brand into the wireless interactive space.

Sony is discussing content search and management, advertising and other common ground alliance with Google and Yahoo!, which soon might begin paying to be the welcome screen on Sony's sleek Vaio laptop computers.


"If there are any gaps in that chain, the Googles and the Yahoos of the world might be able to help us fill in to drive customers and content opportunities," Stringer said. "(They) have big advantages. In a world in which there is increasing commoditization, we need more and more differentiation. And they could provide some of that."

As a leading content producer, Sony can license its specially organized content to Comcast, Cingular and other distributors for what would be almost pure profit. The sky is the limit, Sony executives say. For instance, a snippet of a hit song by one of Sony's recording artists made into a cell phone ringtone recently racked up $1 million in sales in just 10 days.

However, Sony has had mixed results overall with such joint ventures. The most successful to date has been the Sony Ericsson mobile phones, which feature downloaded music and mini music videos and already are sold out through the holidays.

At the opposite end of the spectrum is Sony BMG Music Entertainment, a recently created recorded music joint venture with German media firm Bertelsmann AG. It is fraught with problems -- from BMG's recently filed lawsuit to its call for the ousting of Sony BMG chief executive Andrew Lack over management style. Stringer, a longtime acquaintance of Lack's, declined comment on all BMG matters.

Playing to win

Although recorded music remains a trouble spot for the company and film and TV production are inevitably volatile businesses, the pivotal PlayStation game plan epitomizes Stringer's long-held desire to fully integrate the company's free-spirited, sometimes warring electronics hardware and software operations.

A massive new marketing campaign is being spearheaded by newly appointed global marketing chief Andrew House to help reposition Sony in a brutally competitive marketplace by touting about a dozen of its top products, including the Bravia LCD TV, the next-generation Walkman, PS3, PSP, HDV Handycam, Sony Ericsson mobile phones and the Genesis digital camera system for studios created in cooperation with Panavision.

At their core, Sony's next-generation devices must be networked, interoperable and easy to use, Stringer says.

"Given all our HD technology, including Blu-ray, SXRD, PS3 and HD camcorders, in addition to all of our digitized Sony Pictures content and access to the MGM/UA libraries, no one is better positioned right now than Sony to offer a HD experience across a vast array of devices," said Robert Wiesenthal, executive vp and chief financial officer at Sony Corp. of America. "It's a long road. And even if we're not always early, we're always good once we get there."

The increased functionality and interoperability that has been added to Sony's wildly popular PSP since it was released in March provide a glimpse of what's to come in the PS3. Industry analysts say the PS3 will lead a three-way battle for the fast-growing video game market, joined by a soon-to-be released Microsoft Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Revolution.

Having already has sold more than 6 million units, Sony has transformed PSP into a multimedia device with a hard drive that makes it a portable DVR, with built-in WiFi that makes it more like location-free TV. PSP also now is packaged with a removable storage card capable of holding hundreds of songs, videos and digital photos in an effort to provide stiff competition to the iPod.

Uh WTF? Is this confirmation that another version is coming? Or that an add-on HD is coming? (besides the 3rd party one)

In keeping with the PlayStation business model, PS3 will roll out at a loss for the first six months, then rapidly turn profits on game-license fees. PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.

Yeah we pretty much already knew that...

Sony's other secret weapon, which also will be showcased in PS3, is the CELL microprocessor. Developed in tandem with IBM and Toshiba, which allows for supercomputer-like performance, the CELL microprocessor is 35 times faster than the processor in PS2; it offers twice the processing power of Microsoft's new Xbox 360 and 10 times the power of a standard PC.

Digital rights management and piracy remain industry-wide challenges Sony is trying to help ameliorate. Sony is one of the few media giants that has been successful straddling countries and cultures with not only electronics but also content that includes hit animation on Japanese television, popular comedy series on German TV and successful TV channels in India.

Sony's ownership of so much desired film, TV and video game content is one reason Stringer confidently contends that he can overcome all obstacles. Some on Wall Street remain skeptical, though Stringer wields more clout in the investment community than his predecessors as a result of his nine-year track record at Sony Corp. of America, where he helped bolster the film and television businesses while trimming $700 million in costs and one-third of the division's work force.

Stringer's mammoth restructuring effort offers a "compelling risk/reward profile," Credit Suisse First Boston said in a recent report. However, Morgan Stanley analysts point out that the restructuring plan hinges as much on shrinking or eliminating unprofitable businesses as it does launching successful new products.

"Sony's new strategy will not have immediate results, meaning that it will take some time before profitability improves," Morgan Stanley said.

Sony's restructuring targets calling for 5% profit-margin growth and 5% revenue growth over three years will be comfortably achieved by recovering market share and growth with new products, Stringer said. Some industry analysts contend that the targets are too low.

Stringer predicts revenue spikes from next year's introduction of PS3 and from such upcoming films as "The Da Vinci Code" and "Casino Royale," the new entry in the James Bond franchise, with Daniel Craig assuming the mantle of Agent 007.

"Innovation and quality will win the day. It just doesn't hold the day as long as it used to because you are going to be copied faster and imitated faster. So your market leadership is more difficult to sustain over a longer period of time," Stringer said. "But eventually consumers are going to want devices that play everything and everybody's content in the end. And the customer is king. So, I have no doubt that Sony will prevail."
 
So.. instead of throwing money hats at game develoeprs, Sony is now throwing the money hats at media giants to get them to support the hardware that will push the software which ultimately gives us less choice in the market since Sony's view of the industry is like a can of Pork'n'Beans. :lol
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
VictimOfGrief said:
So.. instead of throwing money hats at game develoeprs, Sony is now throwing the money hats at media giants to get them to support the hardware that will push the software which ultimately gives us less choice in the market since Sony's view of the industry is like a can of Pork'n'Beans. :lol

How is this any different than MS vision? MS wants to drive the software from all of your devices...(PDA, Smartphone, Game Console) that moves all the media to your TV, etc... So while their vision is more software driven they still have a vision where they drive your movement of your multimedia content.
 

Ponn

Banned
Whoa whoa whoa, what??

In keeping with the PlayStation business model, PS3 will roll out at a loss for the first six months, then rapidly turn profits on game-license fees. PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.

Pre-loaded? Onto what? Are they actually gonna ship this thing with a HDD? Or does he mean bundled disc, i'm leaning more towards the latter. And I think this quote pretty much confirms a 399 price point. I think this a nice sound price point for the PS3, shit I wasn't going to be surprised if it came out at 499 but 399 is pretty digestable with a BRD player.
 

Bigfonzie

Member
jesus christ, i dont quite understand all that i just read but, woah!



"Having already has sold more than 6 million units, Sony has transformed PSP into a multimedia device with a hard drive that makes it a portable DVR,"

what does this mean?
 
DarienA said:
How is this any different than MS vision? MS wants to drive the software from all of your devices...(PDA, Smartphone, Game Console) that moves all the media to your TV, etc... So while their vision is more software driven they still have a vision where they drive your movement of your multimedia content.

Okay well think about this.

Microsoft's angle is they are the media content "provider". Sony's angle is we control how the media is provided. Sure Microsoft has the products (Xbox, X360 etc) to push the content, however, I would venture to say that the "WinTel" alliance that is in place is actually a good one because.... if Sony can counter the iPod (which they are constantly lossing ground in Japan w/ sales) then we'll have a diverse market again. I however think that having two teams on each side of the field squaring off on "which media content is better" isn't the best thing for the consumer.

Honestly it wouldn't be a bad thing if the Sony developed Blu-Ray and the HD-DVD would work together for compatibility. Of course, as everyone has said before, the money hat would not be big enough for that to happen.

Getting back to my original statement though, MS pushing money to game development and gaming content, using the X360 as the media for the household "entertainment system" while Sony is positioning itself to have a single grip on the media in the house and how the content is delivered.
 

elostyle

Never forget! I'm Dumb!
That stands in sharp contrast to PS2, which exclusively offered Sony content simply because other studios could not be convinced it was a platform that would make money, company executives said.
That doesn't make any sense at all.

"Why would someone want to pay $1.99 per download of one TV series episode on a closed system like a video iPod when they can transfer all the content they want from their own devices like DVRs to our multimedia portable player at no extra cost? Consumers already can do this with the PlayStation Portable," Stringer said.
Coming from a company that bundles root kits with their audio cds.

PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.
That strategy is so late 90s. We live in a globalized world now, it will hurt them.

EDIT: Quoted the wrong thing.
 

Bigfonzie

Member
I see everyone trying to have it all, complete control over a households entertainment/media but can any single company or group really do it? especially with the way things are shapping up now with myth tv boxes and everyone using torrents, i cant see people paying for a system like this unless its 1)better 2) not cost alot, which isnt going to happen.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
"PS3 is a subsidized Blu-ray play that will sell 20 million units. The first HD player will be on the market for $1,000. PS3 could be at $300 or $400. Sony will be selling them at a loss the first six months to a year just to get Blu-ray players out in the market. So studios realize they need to have their content on it."


You realize of course, that this means war? I cannot understand why the other manufacturers are willing to go along with this.
 

Rocket9

Member
"Why would someone want to pay $1.99 per download of one TV series episode on a closed system like a video iPod when they can transfer all the content they want from their own devices like DVRs to our multimedia portable player at no extra cost? Consumers already can do this with the PlayStation Portable," Stringer said.
Yeah, why pay when you can steal?
 

Lionheart

Member
Stinkles said:
You realize of course, that this means war? I cannot understand why the other manufacturers are willing to go along with this.
All other manufacturers will release Blu-Ray recorders though, right? That's a big difference imo.
 

Ponn

Banned
Stinkles said:
You realize of course, that this means war? I cannot understand why the other manufacturers are willing to go along with this.

Because it's not a full on BRD player, no recorder which is a big factor. Other players will more then likely offer more features too. Actually there are more differences this time around between stand alone players and the PS3 then there were between DVD players and the PS2.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Stinkles said:
You realize of course, that this means war? I cannot understand why the other manufacturers are willing to go along with this.

Because the PS3 as a BRD player will probably be like the PS2 is a DVD player... VERY no-frills basic... as oppose to other manufacturers that will offer more features for BRD playing and some will probably offer the record feature.
 

pcostabel

Gold Member
The article is full of WTF statements:

That stands in sharp contrast to PS2, which exclusively offered Sony content simply because other studios could not be convinced it was a platform that would make money, company executives said.

WTF? PS2 plays DVD from any studios, not just Sony's. Same for games.

Having already has sold more than 6 million units, Sony has transformed PSP into a multimedia device with a hard drive that makes it a portable DVR

WTF? My PSP must be defective, because it doesn't have a hard drive, nor can it record TV.

PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.

WTF? Preloaded on what?

PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.

WTF? Confirmation of a fall launch in the US?
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
A massive new marketing campaign is being spearheaded by newly appointed global marketing chief Andrew House to help reposition Sony in a brutally competitive marketplace by touting about a dozen of its top products, including the Bravia LCD TV, the next-generation Walkman, PS3, PSP, HDV Handycam, Sony Ericsson mobile phones and the Genesis digital camera system for studios created in cooperation with Panavision.

I wonder if these campaigns will all be unified. The Bravia ad linked to in another thread before is really really nice (see: http://www.bravia-advert.com) - Playstation ads have rarely been bad, but I hope Bravia is a sign of things to come.

"like no other" - the slogan in the Bravia ad - could be a good standard Sony tagline across all these products. I'm wondering if that's the new general Sony slogan now.
 

Link316

Banned
Stinkles said:
You realize of course, that this means war? I cannot understand why the other manufacturers are willing to go along with this.

doesn't matter, if content providers back BR, manufacturers have no choice but to either jump on board or get left behind
 

littlewig

Banned
So basically, Sony doesn't give a shit about video games and all they care about is the multimedia capabilities of the system?

Fuck Blu-Ray, fuck expensive gaming, fuck this bullshit. I seriously hope third parties switch their support next generation, Sony is out of touch.
 

Teddman

Member
Ya gotta learn how to choose headlines for your topics... This one should have been "Stringer says PS3 will cost $300-$400"
 

Razoric

Banned
littlewig said:
So basically, Sony doesn't give a shit about video games and all they care about is the multimedia capabilities of the system?

Fuck Blu-Ray, fuck expensive gaming, fuck this bullshit. I seriously hope third parties switch their support next generation, Sony is out of touch.

They don't care about video games? Where the hell did you get that idea? They did this shit before PS2 as well and that system has provided me with more gaming goodness than GC and Xbox combined.

Fuck idiots, fuck fanboys and little Nintards like you. You are out of touch.
 

bud

Member
Having already has sold more than 6 million units, Sony has transformed PSP into a multimedia device with a hard drive that makes it a portable DVR,

what

PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.

what
 
pcostabel said:
Steal? So if I record a TV show on Tivo now I'm stealing?

If you listen to some studios, then yes, especially if you don't watch the commercials.

I think the orginal quote was aimed at the BitTorrent crowd that downloads movies and music (clearly illegal), and TV shows (currently in a bit of a gray zone).
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
littlewig said:
So basically, Sony doesn't give a shit about video games and all they care about is the multimedia capabilities of the system?

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Remember this was an interview with Stringer - his role is a high-level one across Sony, overseeing everything. His role at the moment is as a uniter. If you talked to SCE execs you'd see more of a "game" flavour.

But convergence is the theme, and has been since the first Playstation.

Teddman said:
Ya gotta learn how to choose headlines for your topics... This one should have been "Stringer says PS3 will cost $300-$400"

But he didn't ;)

I guess they got that figure from the film exec they quoted as giving that figure, not Stringer. That tallies with reports from a few months back that said Sony had told business partners that PS3 won't cost more than the Japanese equivalent of $400, though.
 
littlewig said:
So basically, Sony doesn't give a shit about video games and all they care about is the multimedia capabilities of the system?

Fuck Blu-Ray, fuck expensive gaming, fuck this bullshit. I seriously hope third parties switch their support next generation, Sony is out of touch.

Er....yeah, that's it...never mind the fact this is pretty much overlaying all of Sony Corps. goals!! SCEI is just one division.
 
Razoric said:
They don't care about video games? Where the hell did you get that idea? They did this shit before PS2 as well and that system has provided me with more gaming goodness than GC and Xbox combined.

Fuck idiots, fuck fanboys and little Nintards like you. You are out of touch.

QFFT

i want an all in one device....convergence FTW....less cables, remotes, systems to manage
 

littlewig

Banned
I don't think it's an exaggeration, it's obvious that the Sony executives still don't take gaming seriously. There main priority is movies and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

Gaming is a second thought to the executives at Sony, hell, not once in the interview did Stinger mention gaming. All this guy cares about is shoving expensive devices and medias down our throats.


Seriously, the third parties are much better off somewhere else, even Microsoft has a better vision for the future of gaming, Sony only sees it a gateway to market their next movie media.
 

Teddman

Member
gofreak said:
But he didn't ;)

I guess they got that figure from the film exec they quoted as giving that figure, not Stringer.
Ah, then you title it like this: "Hollywood Reporter Interview with Howard Stringer; PS3 Will Sell for Between $300-$400"
 
littlewig said:
I don't think it's an exaggeration, it's obvious that the Sony executives still don't take gaming seriously. There main priority is movies and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

Gaming is a second thought to the executives at Sony, hell, not once in the interview did Stinger mention gaming. All this guy cares about is shoving expensive devices and medias down our throats.


Seriously, the third parties are much better off somewhere else, even Microsoft has a better vision for the future of gaming, Sony only sees it a gateway to market their next movie media.

sit and calm down.....things you need to take into account:

1) Where was this report made? Hollywood REPORTER!!!! Of COURSE the article's focus will be on movies, hightech hardware, and such. Tailor your information to your audience.

2) The PS2 still delivered on gaming content even moresoe than the Gamecube and Xbox (like others said), heck i'll add GBA to this mix.
 

Geek

Ninny Prancer
littlewig said:
Gaming is a second thought to the executives at Sony, hell, not once in the interview did Stinger mention gaming. All this guy cares about is shoving expensive devices and medias down our throats.

On the contrary, Stringer knows that PS3 and PSP are cornerstones for the Sony business. They're essentially saying that their gaming division is so strong, that other devices will piggyback on their success.

If Sony didn't care about gaming we wouldn't have the best game of the year (SotC obv!) in our dirty little hands. Still, you sound angry enough to be a Nintendo fan, so just stick with that.
 

methodman

Banned
You guys know what's really funny, i've seen a lot of you guys in other threads saying, "Man console devotion is the thing of idiots, nintards, and xbots" and I come in here, and well...
 

Geek

Ninny Prancer
methodman said:
You guys know what's really funny, i've seen a lot of you guys in other threads saying, "Man console devotion is the thing of idiots, nintards, and xbots" and I come in here, and well...

...it's still true.

You forgot Sonybots.
 

open_mouth_

insert_foot_
littlewig said:
I don't think it's an exaggeration, it's obvious that the Sony executives still don't take gaming seriously. There main priority is movies and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

Gaming is a second thought to the executives at Sony, hell, not once in the interview did Stinger mention gaming. All this guy cares about is shoving expensive devices and medias down our throats.


Seriously, the third parties are much better off somewhere else, even Microsoft has a better vision for the future of gaming, Sony only sees it a gateway to market their next movie media.

While singer might not focus on gaming, he knows the importance of the playstation line to the company and it's in good hands under Ken's control. Maybe the execs are a bit overconfident in their position (like they were in the 90's with their electronic dominance), but you can't know for sure from a few PR quotes.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Geek said:
On the contrary, Stringer knows that PS3 and PSP are cornerstones for the Sony business. They're essentially saying that their gaming division is so strong, that other devices will piggyback on their success.

Indeed. To a degree games don't need Howard's attention like other divisions, they're that successful as it is for Sony.

The importance Sony is placing on PS3 as a driver for other media can only be flattering to gaming. Who'd have thunk pre-Playstation that a games machine could become so pivotal for Sony? As for third parties - the model Sony introduced, and that is being developed with PS3, is one I am sure third parties are grateful for. It kicked the industry into touch, grew the market, and provided better business for those companies. Sony was the first company to really try and push games to the fore alongside other media, as an equal, IMO.
 

snatches

Member
Stinkles said:
You realize of course, that this means war? I cannot understand why the other manufacturers are willing to go along with this.

This is why I always thought that Sony would come out of the gate with a really high price for ps3....how can they court electronics manufacturers like Matsushita into the BluRay camp and toast the profits that they will all make on BluRay players, and then launch the PS3 at $399???? This will bastardize the whole BluRay market and crash the prices before the product even finds a customer base. This is great for the studios, but very bad for hardware manufacturers.
 

rastex

Banned
DarienA said:
Because the PS3 as a BRD player will probably be like the PS2 is a DVD player... VERY no-frills basic... as oppose to other manufacturers that will offer more features for BRD playing and some will probably offer the record feature.

To be fair, the number of people recording content is miniscule to those watching. I can see the market looking like this, high-end BR players/recorders that are sold as a premium for the early adopter crowd, these will stay high in price for quite a while as manufacturers increase their profit margins on them over time. Finally, once the technology gets cheap enough that players can be sold for sub $200, and combo drives for sub $300, that's when the other manufacturers will start to compete with the PS3. Obviously they can't be too happy about that since Sony will have a lock on the low-end player-only market for a few years, but I think that would have happened anyway unless the PS3 was priced very high.

In general there are a lot of interesting comments made in this article, and Sony has some really ambitious goals which I think are really cool. Their one achilles heel, is that they're still talking about convergence and not integration/standardization. They still want everything to be Sony Sony Sony, as he kept talking about in terms of the value chain. The problem with that approach is that Sony isn't the best at doing everything, and if you lock people out of using what IS the best in certain parts of the chain, that's a huge problem that the competitors can take advantage of. It comes down to giving consumers choice, and I'm still not hearing Sony open up to that type of thinking.
 

jipe

Member
"like no other" - the slogan in the Bravia ad - could be a good standard Sony tagline across all these products. I'm wondering if that's the new general Sony slogan now.

Actually, it is their new general slogan, though I think it was actually chosen before Stringer became CEO. The previous one was "you make it a Sony," so at least they're making progress. Now they just need to get rid of the stupid punctuation.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Um. You do realize of course that movie studios and TV stations are going to bork your ability to record hi def content. It will begin with movies, and then move to TV shows like Lost, and eventually they won't let you record Leno in HD. I am not kidding either. A Blu Ray recorder will have questionable use.

Great for archiving huge amounts of lo-res stuff.
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
I believe Sony's recovery strategy has some fatal flaws.

Betting the house on HD: Will the consumers value the increased detail? Progressive scan DVD looks really nice on LCD already, going HD is nowhere the VHS -> DVD quality shift. More like CD -> SACD

Underestimating the value of easiness and integration:
Stinger said:
"Why would someone want to pay $1.99 per download of one TV series episode on a closed system like a video iPod when they can transfer all the content they want from their own devices like DVRs to our multimedia portable player at no extra cost? Consumers already can do this with the PlayStation Portable,"
Because it is easy. Because it is quick. Because it is convenient. Because the casual consumer does not want to "figure it out". Apple and Microsoft have a very integrated, simple to use infrastructure in place with iTunes and Xbox Live. This is the simple experience of the future, in my mind. Not downloading $20 app to convert files you received with a Bittorrent application you downloaded earlier.

Overemphasis of a physical massmedia format: It's no secret Sony loves formats. Beta, MiniDisc, SACD, ATRAC, you name it. Now that Sony finally have had success with UMD, they seem to be convinced that it can be replicated in a scale bigger by an order of a magnitude. Meanwhile, the world seems to go towards individualized digital distribution - people create their own "spheres of reality" with their own content.

Lacking mobility and connectivity strategy: The world goes mobile and mere portable Blu-Ray players aren't going to cut it. Pushing HD content to mobile does not provide an edge to Sony, since it won't solve the fundamental dilemma - since the screen is small, you can't tell the difference, and if the screen is bigger, it won't be portable.

Losing focus of the PlayStation brand: To justify the expensive hardware configurations of PSP and PS3 it's essential that they provide the consumer more value than just games. The flipside is that this will decrease the gaming focus of their consumers. This coupled with rising development costs could result in a significant publisher backclash.

Not providing a full information age experience: Sony seems to think that "we provide the movies and games, and Google will come up with shit to fill the gaps". Again, with the overemphasis of massproduced content, Sony seems to neglect the importance of personal computing - e-mail, blogging, surfing, communities. This might make Windows Vista or Mac Mini better options for the center of the livingroom than PS3.

CELL focus: It's a powerful processor for gaming and for decoding digital entertainment. How many of such processors do you need in your flat? Does your TV need a CELL, if your PS3 does the decoding already? You'll need a powerful processor to run your computer, but I'm not seeing Microsoft or Apple supporting CELL in any computer products. In digital cameras a miniaturized version could provide encoding power, but I'm not understanding the omnipotence Sony visions in the processor.

On the other hand, Sony's new strategy has some significant positives:

Increased vertical integration: It's that time of the decade again, vertical integration is the way to go now. Not only by gaining operational efficiencies in component supply, it's possible to gain significant victories in consumer experience by creating a seamless chain of product, much like apple does.

Leveraging the PlayStation brand: While stretching the brand has its risks, the PlayStation brand has momentum in entertainment biz second to none and could become a real livingroom general brand.

Utilizing content muscle to win: Sony's content portfolio in movies, TV and music is enormous and its beyond incredible they haven't leveraged it so far better. The Blu-Ray support victory is a great example of using this power.

I do feel that the negatives overweight the positives. However, Sony has proved all my doubts wrong with PlayStation for a decade, so I must give them a benefit of doubt with PS3 . However, that won't save the rest of the company.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Chittagong said:
Because it is easy. Because it is quick. Because it is convenient. Because the casual consumer does not want to "figure it out". Apple and Microsoft have a very integrated, simple to use infrastructure in place with iTunes and Xbox Live. This is the simple experience of the future, in my mind. Not downloading $20 app to convert files you received with a Bittorrent application you downloaded earlier.

This a bit of a cop out in terms of your explanation in regards to the PSP Media manager. The package doesn't assume anything about folks knowing anything about bittorrent etc... it assumes that you have pictures/movie clips and such on your computer and you want to put them on your PSP... you drag them over, and it's down.

The additional features are there... but there's no reason to use them unless you absolutely want to.... hell look at windows media player... how many people use it just to play videos/music as oppose to the music library, ripping and other pieces?

Besides that I had no real qualms with your post, well actually I do, but I don't feel like debating it very deeply... oh what the hell....simply put I don't agree with your statement about sony being more obsessed with media formats more than other companys... sure they like to push their formats, but even they realized ATRAC was not great than MP3 and came around... and again we all talk about this world is going towards digital distribution stuff(hell MS loves to tout that as a reason why disc formats don't mean squat), but the REALITY is that worldwide you still don't have broadband penetration enough to completely forgo physical media... we're still at LEAST 1 generation past the PS3 to 2 generations from that type of world.

Lacking mobility and connectivity strategy... lack mobility and connectivity? That's weird I thought this article talk about various mobile devices that were coming down the pipe from sony... in addition sony ericsson is doing it's best with it's smartphone work....

Losing focus of the PlayStation brand. I don't know I heard this one last generation coming in to this generation... and I really haven't seen it come to fruition yet.
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
DarienA said:
This a bit of a cop out in terms of your explanation in regards to the PSP Media manager. The package doesn't assume anything about folks knowing anything about bittorrent etc... it assumes that you have pictures/movie clips and such on your computer and you want to put them on your PSP... you drag them over, and it's down.

I admit that I didn't really read the PSP Media Manager PR closely - will it rip your DVDs like iTunes does? If so, cool! If not, where are the consumers getting the actual video content to convert, manage and transfer?
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Chittagong said:
I admit that I didn't really read the PSP Media Manager PR closely - will it rip your DVDs like iTunes does? If so, cool! If not, where are the consumers getting the actual video content to convert, manage and transfer?

I don't think you're ever going to see a commercial DVD ripping product come from Sony, Apple, etc.. the video content that this package works with is the typical media files that you have either downloaded on your own been given(mp4, avi, wmv, mov, qt, dv, mpg, mpeg, mpeg1, mpeg2, mmv, m1p, mp1, mp2, m2p, m2t, 3gp, m4v), etc.... iTunes rips DVD's? Since when? If you're talking about ripping music CD's yes this package can do that. Here's the page that lists the full feature set:

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=995

As for where it comes from... this is the piece that IMO we really haven't seen yet... there's that site that I remember was up when the PSP first came out that walked you through some things... can't remember where the heck it is...pspconnect.com but it looks like that hasn't evolved anymore... The release of this media manager looks to be a start...hopefully that connection will come next.
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
DarienA said:
iTunes rips DVD's? Since when? If you're talking about ripping music CD's yes this package can do that.

As for where it comes from... this is the piece that IMO we really haven't seen yet... there's that site that I remember was up when the PSP first came out that walked you through some things... can't remember where the heck it is...pspconnect.com but it looks like that hasn't evolved anymore... The release of this media manager looks to be a start...hopefully that connection will come next.

Yep, I meant "like iTunes does rip CDs". Getting the video content is indeed the big hurdle at the moment. It was a real bummer that Apple got an user-friendly infrastructure up and running before Sony, since PSP screen obviously is a lot better for portable video. Although I think iPod with video is only a short-term story, and that the real purpose was to build video distribution so that it can be used in Mac Mini as the centre of the living room - complete with Front Row and the remote for one click purchasing.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Chittagong said:
Yep, I meant "like iTunes does rip CDs". Getting the video content is indeed the big hurdle at the moment. It was a real bummer that Apple got an user-friendly infrastructure up and running before Sony, since PSP screen obviously is a lot better for portable video. Although I think iPod with video is only a short-term story, and that the real purpose was to build video distribution so that it can be used in Mac Mini as the centre of the living room - complete with Front Row and the remote for one click purchasing.

I agree because I have to tell you with the size of the screen on the Ipod I have no idea why someone would want to watch video on a screen that size... obviously someone was interested because folks are buying and downloading videos... but that screen, man talk about creating future eye patients. ;)

Sony is definitely jealous of the ability to purchase download videos... and they've got to get Sony Connect in shape for music and bring videos in to the fold... who knows if they'll manage to pull it off... I have my doubts, but who can tell...
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
if anyone will pull off getting the studios to allow legit DVD ripping, it'll be apple.

I'm a little annoyed at the Sony hate though. Yes they've fucked up with proprietary formats in the past, but now they seem to have learnt (at least a little). They even have DNLA compliant home network kit coming out - one of the first companies to do that, and its open standards.

Ironically Apple seem to do very well with a proprietary system. Basically proprietary is bad when its not popular, but good when it is. People seem satsified to allow Apple to be the 'Benevolent Dictator'. We'll do what they say as long as its easy for us and gives us what we want.

I do expect there to be more disquiet amongst ipod owners, as they realise they are trapped into apple ownership if they want to keep their purchased songs, but for now all seems at peace.
 

DrGAKMAN

Banned
Chittagong...
I agree with your points about Sony having too many of their own propriety stuff out there. They mainly all culminate on the success of one another and the success of the PS3 branding...which could be a problem.

I would add UMD & PSP as a whole to that too. Yes, PSP is "successful" and UMD is a darling format...but I think in the wake of next-generation formats (not just consoles, but also Sony's push for the BR takeoff) I think whatever merrits PSP/UMD have will lose out to newer stuff...especially since Sony is still losing money on hardware and won't start making it up on licensing until PSP "breaks out" like the original PlayStation did. I think alot of retailers/content providers are buying into PSP/UMD and are praising it just 'cos it's the hip thing at the moment, not because it is actually doing so amazingly well that it's making anybody too much money.

The PSP is especially questionable since NDS is handling itself well against it despite the initial PSP (Nintendo is dead) hype. The NDS is just getting started and *is* profitable. In order for PSP to work as Sony plans it must "break out" and become the lead platform for portable gaming just as the PSone became the runaway lead platform for console gaming. The thing is: will NDS even give it a chance to do that, if not then that's a huge investment Sony will have to take a hit on right there. PSP/UMD could ultimatly be the first chink in Sony's armor.
 

Razoric

Banned
DrGAKMAN said:
The PSP is especially questionable since NDS is handling itself well against it despite the initial PSP (Nintendo is dead) hype. The NDS is just getting started and *is* profitable. In order for PSP to work as Sony plans it must "break out" and become the lead platform for portable gaming just as the PSone became the runaway lead platform for console gaming. The thing is: will NDS even give it a chance to do that, if not then that's a huge investment Sony will have to take a hit on right there. PSP/UMD could ultimatly be the first chink in Sony's armor.

I don't think Sony ever planned on slaying Nintendo and their DS within the first year or two of the PSP's release. The system is a long term investment into the portable arena and so far it's doing really good. Just because the DS is having some great success right now in the wake of Nintendogs and other games doesn't mean the PSP is flopping. Give the PSP some time, like the DS had, to get some killer apps out there and win the mainstream market over. The system is still $250 btw and it's pretty amazing it's doing this well at that price.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
DrGAKMAN said:
In order for PSP to work as Sony plans it must "break out" and become the lead platform for portable gaming just as the PSone became the runaway lead platform for console gaming.

Uh the PSOne didn't become the lead console platform overnight. It's competitors actually put up a fight for quite a bit. Proclaiming either handheld as the runaway leader is so f'n premature that it not even funny.

Can there be a such thing as a lead portable platform? I don't know because unlike the consoles the NDS and PSP are very different machines... you aren't going to see a PSP title ported to the NDS or vice versa... you'll see original titles on each and console titles ported across the board and to each...

And I'm curious to know who let you peak at Sony plans that you know the PSP has the be the lead handheld platform at X point to be considered successful...
 
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