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Spider-Man 2 Director Explains Why Those MJ Stealth Scenes Had to Be Included - IGN

Marvel's Spider-Man 2 has seen critical and fan acclaim in the week since its release, but one element that hasn't been universally beloved is the return of Mary Jane's stealth missions from the first game. IGN spoke to one of the creative directors on Spider-Man 2 to learn exactly why they're...

www.ign.com

According to Intihar, Insomniac was well-aware that MJ's missions hadn't been anyone's favorite bit of the first Spider-Man. And they did ponder foregoing them entirely in the sequel. But instead, the team went a different direction:

"We had two choices. We could say, 'All right, we'll make it easy and just not do it.' And everybody would go, 'Great. No MJ missions.' Or we could say, 'Hey, we've talked about showing the world from all different angles. We're going to make her moments better. We're going to take on the challenge. We're going to make people like playing as her.' We pick and choose our spots. We knew we had to make her more of a proactive, capable person. And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care."

 

[MidGenRefresh]

They were included for woke points in that sweet, sweet Metacritic score.

 

[Represent.]

They need to never do a stealth mission ever again if that was them "making it better". 2005 level design in those missions. Pick up rock. Distract enemy. Grab from behind. Repeat repeat repeat. Good god.

Not to mention the enemy AI on those missions is abysmal as well

 

[Sleepwalker]

Well they failed, they were awful. The gun made them bearable but woefully immersion breaking. She couldve saved New York by herself, just her and her taser/sonic pistol.

 

[Labolas]

"And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care."

 

[Shakka43]

" We're going to make her moments better"

 

[Ulysses 31]

 

[semiconscious]

"We had two choices. We could say, 'All right, we'll make it easy and just not do it.' And everybody would go, 'Great. No MJ missions.' Or we could say, 'Hey, we've talked about showing the world from all different angles. We're going to make her moments better. We're going to take on the challenge. We're going to make people like playing as her.' We pick and choose our spots. We knew we had to make her more of a proactive, capable person. And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care."

tl/dr: 'when it comes to certain things, what series fans like or dislike is irrelevant to us...'

 

[ProtoByte]

>Or we could say, 'Hey, we've talked about showing the world from all different angles.
>And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care.

Open contradiction. You're not showing the world from a different perspective if you make MJ capable of dealing the same foes Miles and Peter have trouble fighting. The best MJ sections were the Kingpin Museum and the Grand Central Station sequences; where she was appropriately placed, and appropriately weak in comparison to the threat.

But like he said, he doesn't care. He's in a Californian studio working for 2 companies entrenched in ESG bullshit, and he doesn't have the backbone to say no. He'd rather annoy the paying customers with pace-breaking nonsense because women are strong and powerful, m'kay?

 

[Chuck Berry]

“We had two choices. We could say, 'All right, we'll make it easy and just not do it.' And everybody would go, 'Great. No MJ missions.' Or we could say, 'Hey, we've talked about showing the world from all different angles. We're going to make her moments better. We're going to take on the challenge. We're going to make people like playing as her.' We pick and choose our spots. We knew we had to make her more of a proactive, capable person. And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don’t care.”


Exactly

 

[rhodesianshepard]

MJ missions were way better than the first game. They actually had good level design with decent gameplay. People just hating because she isn't the stereotypical feminine damsel in distress or how men want women to behave. Her character in the game wasn't annoying at all, especially comparing to other side characters. Kind of a nice wrinkle to the traditional portray of the character

And, it's quite funny how apoplectic gamers were over her model. It's as if some were so disturbed that they won't be able to be to jackoff to her animated character.

 

[Revolutionary]

I thought the MJ sections were fine in the first game but in the second they're just comedy. You barely have to stealth at all, just sprint from enemy to enemy and take out everyone with her almighty stun gun before anyone can react, even on Hard difficulty.

 

[Fake]

Is getting hilarious those excuses for a poor section of the game that most players from the first game never like.

 

[nkarafo]

And this is how wokeness makes game design/gameplay worse. It's not only the story/writing/characters that are affected.

 

[Mung]

I enjoyed them. Very few and much better than the sections from first game.

 

[Kurotri]

I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care.

I mean, even ignoring this baffling statement, why is he talking like this? You won't see Japanese devs pulling this in interviews. Maybe phrase it more professionally?

 

[ByWatterson]

Yeah because they're fucking awesome and everyone is wrong

 

[ProtoByte]

MJ missions were way better than the first game. They actually had good level design with decent gameplay. People just hating because she isn't the stereotypical feminine damsel in distress or how men want women to behave.

Strong woman who is able to walk onto super-powered battlefields and thrive without powers is much more stereotypical at this point.

"How men want women to behave" has nothing to do with. The action zequences where she gets involved are nonsensical, and this reporter angle isn't even mildly accurate to comics MJ - who wasn't a damsel in distress, because she was smart enough to not get involved in the shit in the first place.

Her character in the game wasn't annoying at all, especially comparing to other side characters. Kind of a nice wrinkle to the traditional portray of the character

I was pretty annoyed by her before the first game closed. Getting into arguments with Peter because she snuck into an armed militia outpost and acting like she "can be just as much of a hero" as Spider-Man. But the writers frame it as reasonable, so that's how it comes off to people who aren't paying attention.

And, it's quite funny how apoplectic gamers were over her model. It's as if some were so disturbed that they won't be able to be to jackoff to her animated character.

Oh please. People were and continue to be more concerned about Peter's face. Their facial modeling just isn't up to PlayStation studio standards on the whole. MJ getting the Drew Barrymore face-lift to look "more realistic" or whatever was just ideological icing on the cake.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

They're pretty short thankfully, but completely unnecessary and don't really add much to the game.

They're far less egregious than SM2018, so whatever. But probably should have been cut.

 

[simpatico]

This is what qualifies for a 90?

 

[Fake]

I mean, even ignoring this baffling statement, why is he talking like this?

Western devs in a nutshell. They behave like a child as the gamers they so hate.

 

[ByWatterson]

Everyone is completely over-analyzing this.

MJ is dope, stealth is dope, shocking dudes in the neck is dope.

10/10

 

[Arsic]

They’re what kept this game going above a 9 for me, or taking over AC6 for my GOTY.

If you wanted me to not play Spider-Man in a Spider-Man game then pick interesting choices. Needs to be female? Fine. Let me control black cat when she has that staff as I teleport around, or do a stealth section with her.

These were the worst parts in original Spider-Man , and to bring them back is clearly stubborn asshole developer shit that sticks out like a sore thumb and creates this dynamic of “I know better than you Mr consumer.”

You don’t. You clearly do not get it. No one is pining for this shit.

They clearly know HOW to make interesting non Spider-Man stuff like when you control Venom.

MJ though ? Fuck… rather be Aunt May doing grocery shopping for a FEAST event.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Haven't played yet, they mean you have to play missions as side characters hiding from MJ because she looks like a piece of bacon, right?

 

[Banjo64]

Spider-Man 2 Director Explains Why Those MJ Stealth Scenes Had to Be Included - IGN

Marvel's Spider-Man 2 has seen critical and fan acclaim in the week since its release, but one element that hasn't been universally beloved is the return of Mary Jane's stealth missions from the first game. IGN spoke to one of the creative directors on Spider-Man 2 to learn exactly why they're...

www.ign.com

According to Intihar, Insomniac was well-aware that MJ's missions hadn't been anyone's favorite bit of the first Spider-Man. And they did ponder foregoing them entirely in the sequel. But instead, the team went a different direction:

lol this is a stupid thing to say and encapsulates everything wrong with these zealots attitudes. ‘we know it’s shit and no one likes it but we’re going to force it down your throat anyway’.

 

[adamsapple]

Surprised they didn't go all the way and stick in a line like this

 

[Saber]

They were included for woke points in that sweet, sweet Metacritic score.

I remember that reeeera said that the best part of the first Spider-man is to play as MJ. An entire Spider-man game and they prefer playing that.

And people think Wolverine is going to be ok.

 

[Alexios]

It's called trying to add variety, especially when you have dual protags that are both Spider-Man. Did you somehow think Wind Waker's stealth sections were woke too? Of course in that it's the same protag put in a situation where he's helpless for lack of gear but you can't do that with Spider-Men.

Why are you like this? This was debunked 3 mins after it surfaced (for anyone not knowing how game dev works and not following the game to know the model they used for MJ long before then) but the kind of tuber you follow and watch and promote is someone who does this shit? Grow up

 

[LordCBH]

Ya know what, these are at least serviceable. Now that shit ass Hailey mission should’ve been cut.

 

[Dr.brain64]

And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care

Good! Haters gonna hate

 

[decisions]

if your stealth isn’t better than MGS1 from 1998, please don’t include it. Thank you.

 

[Xtib81]

Her sections are nothing special, easily forgettable. Stupid ass AI and bad animations, it is no Tlou2 that's for sure.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

tl/dr: 'when it comes to certain things, what series fans like or dislike is irrelevant to us...'

Clearly people aren't bothered by it besides some children crying on YouTube and Twitter.

 

[Flutta]

They're pretty short thankfully, but completely unnecessary and don't really add much to the game.

They're far less egregious than SM2018, so whatever. But probably should have been cut.

That's the common theme with basically everything that is woke garbage.. they add nothing to the games, they're just there for the woke "PLEASE NOTICE US" points.

"We knew we had to make her more of a proactive, capable person. And if she's a little OP, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I don't care."

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

,it is no Tlou2 that's for sure.

I didn’t mind the one MJ mission I’ve played so far (are there more? It sounds like there’s more). They’re easy, sure, but a nice change of pace and better than walking around painting pictures of flowers. I can see why people don’t like them too, although anyone criticising them as “unrealistic” really needs to stop playing video games all together. Learn how to separate fantasy from reality, dudes.

…but MJ bashing hunter faces in with a brick and then setting them on fire? Fuck yes, I would play that.

 

[Unknown?]

They need to never do a stealth mission ever again if that was them "making it better". 2005 level design in those missions. Pick up rock. Distract enemy. Grab from behind. Repeat repeat repeat. Good god.

Not to mention the enemy AI on those missions is abysmal as well

They need to make it more like Splinter Cell or MGSV.

 

[semiconscious]

Clearly people aren't bothered by it besides some children crying on YouTube and Twitter.

well, clearly critics aren't bothered by it. but there appear to be a number of posters on this board that feel the mj sequences were dumb/unnecessary...

 

[Nankatsu]

Surprised they didn't go all the way and stick in a line like this

That one character that ruined The Flash TV series, top to bottom.

 

[ManaByte]

MJ went from a super model landing roles in Michael Bay movies in the comics to a frumpy Lois Lane clone.

 

[Spyxos]

These forced stealth missions were the worst part of this game. And completely unbelievable.

 

[Liamario]

They were definitely included for woke points and I haven't even played the game.

 

[ManaByte]

These forced stealth missions were the worst part of this game. And completely unbelievable.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Spider-Man 2's massive success has really hurt a lot of people.

 

[somesang]

I love playing the MJ sections cause I know how much it upsets half this forum.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

There have been complaints about forced stealth missions for 20 years. Developers don't care.

 

[Thirty7ven]

My problem with them is that they are meaningless, there’s absolutely no good reason why they are there. They add nothing to the story and the character’s development. Sure they aren’t boring now, really they weren’t. But there was no point to them other than “We should give MJ her own gameplay”, which is senseless.

And listen I get it, strong pro active character. But Miles Morales let’s her crash her bike and potentially injure herself for what? For what? He was right there, right next to her, why wouldn’t he help her? HE HAS SUPER POWERS

 

[Banjo64]

Why are you like this? This was debunked 3 mins after it surfaced (for anyone not knowing how game dev works and not following the game to know the model they used for MJ long before then) but the kind of tuber you follow and watch and promote is someone who does this shit? Grow up

what’s been debunked sorry?

there’s a few videos on this and nothing I can see that debunks it.

 

[Thirty7ven]

MJ went from a super model landing roles in Michael Bay movies in the comics to a frumpy Lois Lane clone.

This is true, but there aren’t many careers you can give a comic book character if you want him to be involved in all types of action relating to a city.

 

[Shakka43]

Spider-Man 2's massive success has really hurt a lot of people.

The game can be good and still have lame parts you know? Pretty much all non Spider-Men sections on this game are a drag to play not just MJ's

 

[SJRB]

So how did that work out, are the MJ sections in the new game better?

I love Insomniac but there's been some goofy shit with this game.