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Spain shatters two-party rule, Europe watches as it turns into an ungovernable mess

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The stories of political corruption that I hear from my GF's family/friends make me almost grateful we only have the Tories in the UK. One member of her family works in the same industry as I do, is way more senior/experienced, but makes less money and works way more hours than I do, and thats all just because the economy in Spain is such a joke at the moment

I really hope Podemos are able to instigate some kind of change, because the current situation cant go on much longer

I (also in the UK) used to work with a Spaniard during the expenses scandal and he was so amazed that everyone was going so mad over a few grand spent on a duck house. He was like "this is amateur stuff in Spain." Yet for us it was the biggest element of "corruption" by MPs around.
 

Funky Papa

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Then corruption happens at all levels. From the small business that evades sales tax to the town council that tells someone this land will soon change from agricultural to industrial soil so buy it now (I've seen both). Sure you don't bribe the police and thank god for that, but this doesn't mean the bottom is clean and only the top is dirty.

I'm not going to claim that everything is shiny at ground level, but it's not that terrible either for the most part.

Also, I believe that tax evasion among the commoners is greatly overstated. Not just because corporations are responsible of the largest part of the cheating committed in Spain (by far), but because you just can't compare a shop keeper sporadically removing the sales tax from one item to the organised, systematic efforts of profiteering shown at Bankia, Banco de Valencia, Andalusia's EREs, or the ITV case.

One affects only one, maybe two people at most with very limited consequences, whereas the other subvert the government's apparatuses for the profit of extremely powerful persons and entities that exert huge amounts of power over millions of people. Intention, scope and impact are massively different, but specially at a time when so many citizens are being forced to earn under the table in order to pay the bills.

I mean, just today the Ministry of Finance has published a list of well known personalities and corporations owing over 15 billion euros in taxes to the state. And those are the ones they nabbed.

Educating our population not to be permissive of corruption is hugely important, but I feel itchy scolding a waitress who earns 1/4 of her shit salary under the table (and probably not because she likes it that way) or a store owner offering the odd "discount" to a good customer at the end of the month when fucking Dani Pedrosa owes close to €8 million in taxes.

It would be a role where you would see a lot of corruption of various types if it exists.
Oddly enough, there wasn't a lot of diversity when it came to corruption. Most of it was fairly unimaginative run of the mill stuff; what was really shocking is how fucking brazen those mayors were. Then again, those were the crazy, early years from of the real estate boom.

I was working at the time for a firm that got awarded with some important tenders to update the cadastre of a large number of municipalities, most of them rural. We'd spot discrepancies, fix them and send them to the powers that be so they could update their registries and act in accordance. Most of the work was really minor and non-important. Clerical issues, really. An outdated name, some minor undeclared construction work (such as a farmer building a garage for his tractor at a seemingly undeveloped plot of land, the odd undeclared swimming pool), that kind of stuff. But very occasionally we'd found some real shit going on.

Some of my favourites:

-The owner of a big-ish (and I believe now bankrupt) hotel chain operating along the Med coast had erected a MASSIVE, undeclared home outside the town's limits. It was originally described as an ancient, medium sized, poorly maintained storage building for agrarian purposes (which was probably sitting there ages ago before construction started). The place was so huge the owner kept a family there in order to feed the horses and make sure everything was tidy while he was away.

I don't know how the owner managed to get things such as running water, waste disposal and electricity given that it was basically in the middle of the forest, so I went to the council. When I told the mayor (who should be not only aware of the situation, but frothing at the mouth thinking in owed taxes) he played dumb. I'm sure they were both in cahoots. We updated the information with the new data and sent it to the authorities.

-The mayor of a picturesque and secluded valley town with a population of several hundred people had been monitoring unclaimed plots of land apt for urban development (their owners probably died heirless or their descendants were not properly notified) and managed to put them under his name by running all the required utilities and paying the bills for them. He tried to use those receipts to claim said plots as inherited or purchased without a proper, notarized contract by their deceased owners as it was usual in rural Spain decades ago.

That man didn't give a fuck.

I was invited to his glitzy home so he could provide me with all the documentation and he went as far as to boast about his newly built, totally decadent underground spa (!!!!) at a suspect property adjacent to his house. I was put on alert by enraged neighbours claiming that the mayor was blocking some people from regularising inherited plots of undeclared ownership (families could have resided or exploited a plot of land since their grand, grand grandparents bought it eons ago, but didn't have any proper paperwork) so he could declare them owned by the town and then fix them for himself.

Then there was this big row of townhouses being built out of nowhere. Nobody from the building company was present at the time (how convenient) and when we approached the town's secretary they couldn't produce a single construction license. There was no paperwork AT ALL. We just took some pictures, made some rough sketches of the development over the aerial photos provided by the cadastre and told them that there were huge discrepancies with the original supplied data. Last time I heard, both the major and the secretary were either in jail or being judged, I can't remember which one.

-There was this gorgeous town up in the North where the mayor and the secretary welcomed us with open arms. They had hundreds upon hundreds of ANCIENT scriptures for us. Turns out they were waging war against the Bishop, who had been claiming for the Church a good chunk of the town using similar tactics to mayor #2. At some point they had tried to claim the town's square, which was adjacent to the church's building, but the mayor managed to stop that.

Using devious tactics, the Bishop had managed to put a large chunk of the towns' abandoned homes to the Church's name, preventing said land from returning to municipal ownership. Unfortunately that was a complex issue way over our responsibilities, so we just updated the records, notified the cadastre office of said conflicts and moved on to the next town. Fuck the Church.

-It is commonly said that small towns beget big animosities. In this tiny town, a mayor mad with power had gone on a mission to make a resident's life miserable by denying him access to utilities. Apparently there was some bad blood about how said resident had built his house without consulting him. In response, the mayor reorganised the town's inner limits so the house would be sitting on rural land instead of urban one, which was then used to make harder to access to services such as waste disposal (IIRC, he did have running water and electricity). To add insult to injury, the mayor also took the chance to extend the town's urban limits to engulf a large agricultural building he had built on formerly rustic soil.

It's been years since then, but I believe the map looked something crazy like this.

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IIRC the case was already in court. Oddly enough, everything else about that town was incredibly up to date and neatly done.

-A relatively big and well-off town in rural Valencia was a complete urban disaster. A newly built retirement home showed huge discrepancies in terms of used space in contrast to the supplied records. Then there was large area of the old town that had been demolished and was being primed for development, but ownership was highly confusing. At some point a desperate old lady who had travelled all the way down from Barcelona when she heard about a cadastre update began to scream her lungs out at me believing that we were there to help the mayor to steal his father's land like it had happened to other people (so she claimed). It was a complete clusterfuck. We updated all the records we could, took some pictures and sent everything to the offices. Fucking Valencia, man.

Honestly, 99% of the people we interviewed were fine folks. Most of the awful stuff happened at council and deputation levels and usually at places with highly problematic institutions (the random, stereotypical "corrupt town"). I'd also like to add that we didn't act on cases of suspect corruption. We could clearly see through them, but that was for the authorities. Our duty as described by the tender was to update a database and annotate potential discrepancies by a deadline and that was it.
 
There are just many different factors that prevent Podemos from being a crazy revolutionary party like the former duopoly is trying to portray.

-Spain has a more diverse economy that Venezuela
-Spain corruption, while huge, is only located at the top of the chain; the rest of the state's apparatus is generally clean
-Spain's society is highly stable
-Spain happens to be an UE member state and Podemos a pro-European party
-Unlike Chavez, who got crazier each day it passed, Iglesias had to tone the fuck down his discourse in order to reach the mainstream
-The success of the party is tied to its mainstream appeal now -kill it and you'll kill the party
-The party's expansion meant the appointment of people with more diverse backgrounds and ideas got in, making radicalisation much more difficult
-Far from being a revolutionary party, Podemos is copying large chunks of its platform from OG social democrats (which are dead and buried by now)

Basically, anybody comparing Podemos to the rise of Hugo Chávez (or Spain to Greece) is out of their rocker and I feel bad for having to explain it. With that said, Podemos is an untested party. This is why I'd like them to spend some good time at the Congress in order to see their progression.

I'd rather tell you which party I despise the most.

It's the PP.
Thanks for the info. Really curious to see if Podemons will overtake PSOE as the main left party in Spain.
 

Business

Member
I'm not going to claim that everything is shiny at ground level, but it's not that terrible either for the most part.

Also, I believe that tax evasion among the commoners is greatly overstated. Not just because corporations are responsible of the largest part of the cheating committed in Spain (by far), but because you just can't compare a shop keeper sporadically removing the sales tax from one item to the organised, systematic efforts of profiteering shown at Bankia, Banco de Valencia, Andalusia's EREs, or the ITV case.

One affects only one, maybe two people at most with very limited consequences, whereas the other subvert the government's apparatuses for the profit of extremely powerful persons and entities that exert huge amounts of power over millions of people. Intention, scope and impact are massively different, but specially at a time when so many citizens are being forced to earn under the table in order to pay the bills.

I mean, just today the Ministry of Finance has published a list of well known personalities and corporations owing over 15 billion euros in taxes to the state. And those are the ones they nabbed.

Educating our population not to be permissive of corruption is hugely important, but I feel itchy scolding a waitress who earns 1/4 of her shit salary under the table (and probably not because she likes it that way) or a store owner offering the odd "discount" to a good customer at the end of the month when fucking Dani Pedrosa owes close to €8 million in taxes.

You can't compare it in individual volume obviously, but the lack of decency is the same. The difference is only in the amount people can steal given their position and opportunity. It's a problem of the whole of society, not one of classes.
 

Denton

Member
I just stayed at work 20 minutes overtime because I couldn't stop reading the OP. Brilliant and terrible. Politics is such an amazing clusterfuck almost everywhere.
 

Walshicus

Member
I (also in the UK) used to work with a Spaniard during the expenses scandal and he was so amazed that everyone was going so mad over a few grand spent on a duck house. He was like "this is amateur stuff in Spain." Yet for us it was the biggest element of "corruption" by MPs around.

The Expenses scandal was just an easy to sell story, the real corruption in this country - and it's a huge amount - comes from nearly every use of the private sector in public service provision. Billions of pounds there, but outside of Private Eye nobody seems to give a fuck.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
You can't compare it in individual volume obviously, but the lack of decency is the same. The difference is only in the amount people can steal given their position and opportunity. It's a problem of the whole of society, not one of classes.

I mean, loudly talking on your cell phone on public transit is also a similar lack of decency, but I guess the difference is that talking loudly on your cell phone negatively impacts me more than pennies off the top of sales tax at small stores.
 

Acidote

Member
Funky Papa you know it isn't just Valencia. I'm from Marbella and I've been working for a company deeply involved with the Operación Malaya for eight years now. I've seen some things too.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Oh yeah, I know. It was more about that particular town (and it was not a small one) being a complete mess. You can find similar problems pretty much everywhere.
 

cebri.one

Member
So Sanchez is saying no to even a government without Rajoy. Let's see how the rest of party reacts but PSOE are in a pretty tough situation, is loss-loss for them whatever they chose.

I really would like to see Rajoy and Sanchez go in their next party meeting and see someone appointed who wasn't involved in the mess that Spain is today and reach a deal with Ciudadanos with a clear charter of what they want to do until the next elections.
 

Funky Papa

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It's been over a week, so here's a quick update for those who care:

-The PP has gone on to offer a grand coalition that would include PSOE and C's representation in the government in an attempt to establish a "sanitary cordon" around Podemos.

-C's went from "we won't support Rajoy" to "we will support anybody who will provide us with a few ministries as long as it's not called Podemos" in a matter of hours.

-The PSOE is on the brink of a civil war. Regional strongmen want Sánchez's head for his catastrophic electoral results, while the party's secretariat backs him up and has moved forward to block any attempts at replacing him as the official candidate so he has another shot at the presidency in the next two months. lel. Sanchez keeps pursuing an incredibly fragile alliance with Podemos and some other junior parties, either regional nationalist forces (that could give him endless grief after an initial absent vote) or C's (fat chance as long as Podemos is in the mix). Podemos, however, is seemingly adamant about a referendum in Catalonia and implementing sweeping electoral reforms that could destroy the PSOE's already lean results at upcoming elections, so it doesn't look good. Meanwhile, half of the PSOE is ready to go to war against Sánchez if he agrees to Podemos' terms and C's would bail out of any coalition that supports a referendum.

TLDR version:

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Kabouter

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Man that seems fucked, internal party struggles at a time like this. Reminds me a little of the CDA (Christian Democrat party here) when they eventually ended up forming a coalition with the support of the PVV (Geert Wilders and his gang of idiots). Was some pretty strong struggles, though obviously not as strong as what you're describing. Also, that scene in Groundhog Day is one of my favourites.
 
I didn't realise Podemos support a Catalan Referendum, or that this would be this issue (of all things) to make them so unsavoury to other parties.
 
Podemos should back off from the Catalán problem for now, and focus more on other issues like changing the electoral law and in issues that they can have in common with other parties.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Update:

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Rajoy just declined to become president after the King's proposal. He either comitted seppuku so Soraya de Santa María could be appointed (which would allow the PP to remain in power with the help of some unnamed partner/s) or it's Pedro Sanchez's turn with the help of Podemos + whatever allies could find.

Either case, Rajoy is officially toast.

Edit: So Rajoy claims that this is just temporal while he gets enough support from other parties. What a mess.
 
listening to the news, they said that the Socialists are only willing to work with Podemos if the latter drops their policy of allowing the Catalan of having their Referendum.

Podemos are not very bright
 
And this, boys and girls, is why multiple (at least, more than a plurality) parties is untenable in modern democracy.

Fell bad for those living in Spain right now.
 

coleco

Member
listening to the news, they said that the Socialists are only willing to work with Podemos if the latter drops their policy of allowing the Catalan of having their Referendum.

Podemos are not very bright

Podemos got a big chunk of their votes from catalonia, probably due to his stance towards the referendum. You really think doing a 180º on that would be very bright?
 

Walshicus

Member
And this, boys and girls, is why multiple (at least, more than a plurality) parties is untenable in modern democracy.

Fell bad for those living in Spain right now.
See no evidence for that. If anything it shows how formal executives are less relevant than most would think.
 

Irminsul

Member
And this, boys and girls, is why multiple (at least, more than a plurality) parties is untenable in modern democracy.
What? No, it only shows that in countries where politicians are used to a more-or-less two-party rule they struggle to form a government when this changes. A lot of European countries have several parties in parliament and that's just how it's always been.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
And this, boys and girls, is why multiple (at least, more than a plurality) parties is untenable in modern democracy.

Fell bad for those living in Spain right now.

The current duocratic formula has only provided stability at the cost of immense corruption and the progressive erosion of the democratic process. Any peaceful change that destroys the status quo should be received with open arms.
 

Joni

Member
And this, boys and girls, is why multiple (at least, more than a plurality) parties is untenable in modern democracy.

Fell bad for those living in Spain right now.

It forces cooperation between parties and it downplays extremists as they would have trouble fitting in. It is exactly what it needs to be a democracy.

Still a long way to go mate.

I want to make sure the record is safe.
 

Hydrargyrus

Member
There's been nothing different without an official government in 5 months.

Yup, with no new legislation at all.

So if you want to keep same people (well, there is one minister less) but unable to do anything and be in a completely mess when the budget law's time came... Well, then it's the perfect time for Spain!
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Time for an update.

General elections will take place this upcoming 26th of June. The smart ones among the folks who remain oddly interested in this topic may have some questions. Like, what the hell has happened since this shit show took place? Is there a chance Spain could have a new, properly functioning government in a few days? The answer to both questions is 42.

Let's take another look at the parties, their current positions and how things are going for them (hint: it's a fiery trainwreck full of puppies and manure)


The parties:

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See some hippie bullshit something new? We'll get on that later.



PP (Partido Popular)

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Current mood: IDGAF, LOL.

Situation rep: Accosted by countless scandals and battered by the courts, the conservative PP remains the largest political force in Spain. Barely. Their hopes and dreams rest solely upon a large mass of +60 year old folks who vote and vote often, are scared witless of the Red Terror and secretly long for a Brexit so they can go to Gibraltar and empty their colostomy bags at the border.

Internet site Público (a hive of fifth columnists on a mission to destroy Spain's social peace through infiltration and subterfuge) just dropped a bomb on the campaign by publishing a number of highly incriminating wiretaps revealing that the Minister of Interior (and with president Rajoy's apparent knowledge) conspired along publishing group Planeta to investigate and/or manufacture potential scandals in order to damage the credibility of Catalonian separatist parties CDC and ERC, later to be disseminated through the conservative newspaper La Razón. This confirms a recent and rather scary narrative of the Minister of Interior operating in secret a political police cell -which either collaborated with or took advantage of the National Intelligence Centre (CNI)- created with the sole purpose of discrediting any smaller parties that could prove problematic to the government, targeting both separatist forces and emerging ones such as the leftist Podemos.

Man, I really expected better from a party built upon the ruins of Generalissimo Franco's fascist regime.

The campaign: The PP has based its campaign on economic stability and warning the populace of the risk of a Marxist revolution spearheaded by Podemos that will meet its inevitable conclusion with the abolishment of private property, the demolition of the Catholic faith and the deportation of proud Spanish patriots to collective dirt farms in the Monegros desert. A vote for the PP is a vote for Spain. Any other option is playing into the hands of Lenin and the unholy spirit of Hugo Chávez. Please vote :(

The prospects: Surprisingly good. I mean, in any other civilised country the PP would have been pummelled to the ground by the Jedi-Pastafarian Coalition, but it turns out that Spain truly is different. The latest data put the PP at the forefront by a small margin and with a slightly but noticeably larger amount of support, mostly because their voters are loyal to a fault and the fear propaganda is working well on those who had second thoughts at the previous elections and either didn't vote or voted for Ciudadanos. They intend to become the governing party with the support of their former archenemies at the PSOE (which may cause a singularity) and Ciudadanos.



PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Español)

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Current mood: "I'm okay with the events that are currently unfolding"

Situation rep: All signs point to a complete disaster for the PSOE. After chocking like the National Football Team, the PSOE decided than ousting Pedro Sanchez from the leadership with so little time to prepare for the next elections would be political suicide, so they doubled down and tried to position themselves as COMPASSIONATE PROGRESSIVES that will always work on behalf of the people while keeping regressive labour regulations enacted by the PP and endorsing the TTIP for reasons they can't discuss. They agree with the PP in which Podemos is a radical Bolivarian front.

Being the barely functional inepts that they are, right after the previous elections they quickly established a coalition with Ciudadanos, only to discover that Ciudadanos is a neoliberal party disguised as a centrist one (not a good look for the PSOE) that wouldn't shake hands with Podemos, quickly aborting any potential PSOE-led government and making a fool of all the parties involved. This had a huge cost in terms of political capital and left the image of both the PSOE and Pedro Sanchez badly damaged.

The campaign: The PSOE has forgotten their historical animosity towards the PP in order to focus the brunt of its attacks on Podemos, which has turned into their biggest menace after stealing a good chunk of their votes right under their nose. The official line is that Podemos is a highly suspicious party filled to the brim with extremists and populists. That hasn't stopped Pedro Sánchez from trying to reach the hard left with an esquizofrenic and laughably fake defence of the old socialist ideals the PSOE abjured many years ago. For some absurd reason they are still cool with Ciudadanos, because coherence is just a word. They keep screaming from the rooftops that the PP and Podemos are complicit in a secret pact to destroy the PSOE.

Fire, meet tyre dump.

The prospects: All projections point towards the PSOE being overtaken by Podemos by a small but not insignificant margin. Decades of corruption, servilism and bald-faced lies (not to mention their recent cohabitation with Ciudadanos) are taking a massive toll on the party that used to be the Ying to the PP's Yang. Some polls go as far as to predict a complete collapse of the party, losing at nearly all circumscriptions it not all of them. Next stop: Irrelevancy. Maybe.



C's (Ciudadanos)

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Current mood: "We are a real political party. Please pay attention to us"

Situation rep: Not good. His failed attempt at forming a government coalition along the PSOE and some other partner that doesn't exist in this astral plane turned all the cameras on them, which resulted in bigger than expected scrutiny on a relatively untested political party that happens to be tactically vague and full of professional arribistes. The party has found itself involved in some minor scandals of its own, which is not a good thing for a party with a reformist image that aspires to capture the disgruntled PP vote. After supporting the PSOE, business-friendly Ciudadanos has gone on the record to say that they would have supported the PP if the numbers made sense, which has been interpreted as political backstabbing among the PSOE's ranks. They are cool with either party as long as they get them some seats at the cabinet.

The campaign: After noticing that they can't keep stealing votes from the PSOE in any meaningful amounts, Ciudadanos abandoned all pretences of bringing a "tranquil change" to Spanish politics by launching a virulent barrage against Podemos and jumping on the accusations crafted by the PP's secret police about Iglesias' party being funded by the Venezuelan regime, despite the Supreme Court dismissing the allegations and the file itself being outed as a fabrication. It's a startling change of tone that is putting off a lot of voters.

The prospects: Hard to say. Endorsing the highly controversial accusations towards Podemos has proven polarising for Ciudadanos. Albert Rivera's histrionics over Venezuela and even the presidential debate weren't well received either. Some polls show that some sympathisers are starting to see Ciudadanos as the counterfeit version of the PP, making them reluctant to vote again for them or throwing them back into the loving arms of the conservatives. At the same time, some pollsters claim small gains for the party, although it should be noted that Ciudadanos' numbers tend to be inflated across the board for some reason.



UP (Unidos Podemos) (who are you, people?)

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Current mood:
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Situation rep: Unidos Podemos is the natural result of Podemos becoming a mainstream force at the left of the PSOE and Izquierda Unida bombing like a mofo. Finally realizing that Podemos have eaten their lunch and that electoral maths deeply favour larger parties, IU has accepted the socialist fraternal kiss of Podemos to form a leftist coalition with winning ambitions; a shocking first for the all time losers at IU. Unidos Podemos' support is highly energised, politically motivated and fuelled by a profound dislike towards the establishment. Despite their young age, Podemos' supporters actually vote, which may be a first since the 80's.

Although Podemos has replaced the PP as the PSOE's biggest fear and Podemos itself is no friends of the PSOE, the party's secretariat is fully aware of the fact that they'll need their support if they want to govern. As a result, they have moderated the intensity of their discourse and has fully embraced what is: a Social Democrat party with a shiny patina of newness.

Now, Podemos and IU share a lot of views, but that doesn't mean they are the same party. Not at all. Unidos Podemos is the result of marrying a Social Democrat party with a strong narrative (think 80's Euroleft) and a growing base with a much smaller and struggling Eurocommunist one. Both strive for the conservation of social services and the end of austerity, but they have their fair share of differences in a number of areas, and while IU's Alberto Garzon did the right thing and neutered half of the old fogies while they were shocked by the catastrophic results of the 2015, it's still its own entity. This has led to some ridiculous incidents, such as IU supporters and officials decrying a Podemos' sponsored conference about sex and feminism in the 21th century headed by noted feminist pornstar and supporter Amarna Miller (don't Google her at work), since IU is vehemently against porn and prostitution for being tools of oppression while Podemos is like "whatever".

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Garzón, probably tweeting something really poignant about porn, fascism and the heteropatriarchy.

That was a fun one, but it highlights some fundamental differences. Podemos, for example, accepts Spain's NATO membership as an ugly necessity while Europe moves towards building a common army (one of the party's aims at European level), while IU wants the country out of it and as quickly as possible. Both parties have sworn to work together, but it won't be easy and their enemies are going to do their damn best to attack them on that flank.

The campaign: Podemos transitioned towards a moderate discourse in 2015 and Unidos Podemos has gone a step forward in that direction by positioning themselves as a party of strong leftist ideas without the expected belligerent dialectic. I mean, the party logo is a rainbow heart, FFS. The alliance has been under heavy fire since day one, as the PP has launched a Red Scare strategy happily seconded by the PSOE and Ciudadanos that is only invigorating Unidos Podemos' base while reaping modest gains for the right. Despite this, Unidos Podemos has managed to legit shook the PSOE by campaigning for a joint Unidos Podemos-PSOE government (going as far as to lowkey put the Catalonian referendum on hold in order to secure the PSOE's support), which left the socialist unable to respond. Pedro Sánchez is in a bit of a pickle, as a so-called "socialist party" cannot attack the only other leftist group openly campaigning for a united progressive front against the conservatives without looking like a major ass. It goes without saying that Sánchez, always so brave, took up that challenge.

The prospects: All polls point to Podemos replacing the PSOE as the second largest party in popular support and seats and the mainstream leftist force in Spain. Their government chances will depend on the PSOE's performance, as they still need their support.

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Sounds fun, right? How about the men in charge?


The candidates:


Mariano Rajoy (PP)

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Rajoy (61) explains Borja Mari (16) how he'll never have to share a classroom with the poor after he makes tuition only affordable for the rich

Rajoy builds his strength upon the resilience of the PP, a party where the laundry is always done at home. Although scandals have been piling up one on top of another during the past few months, his strategy of holding the line and supporting even the most corrupt members of the party (coupled with the way he shushed out the youngest members brought into the organisation when they got funny ideas about overtaking the old guard) has reinforced his position within a party rife with strife despite the appearances. It's not clear if he'll return for another round or retire from the front line if this election also fails to produce a new government.

Probably heard saying: "Decimation worked for the Romans".



Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
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At least he is pretty

Pedro is a mess. Pedro is a waste. Confronted with a party in shambles and a shrinking base of supporters, Sánchez has gone on a highly erratic campaign against the only party that could remotely put him in a cabinet. Pedro is still at the forefront of the PSOE's campaign just because party leadership conceded that building a brand new candidate in a few months would be political suicide, so they went out with him in hopes he wouldn't fuck it up twice. His internal adversaries are already sharpening their knives; barring a shocking reverse of his fortunes or a saving alliance with Podemos (which is hardly a sure thing after trashing Iglesias and Podemos for months), he's done. The clock is ticking for him.

Probably heard saying: "I wish I had taken up to acting".



Albert Rivera (C's)
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Roborivera glitches out after checking the polls

Rivera is just discovering that politics is a hardball game. His regenarionist platform stalled big time when results turned out a much smaller amount of seats than predicted by the polls, so he has adopted a more belligerent and vociferous strategy. Fully aware that his unique position makes him a good junior partner for either the PP or the PSOE (losing no time in backstabbing the later after taking notice of its sorry state), he's refrained from attacking either while caressing the (really) far fetched idea of a triparty alliance. Either way, he'll remain at the leadership of Ciudadanos since the party has shown a severe lack of internal opposition (let alone a modicum of charisma) and he was the one who got the party to the Congress anyway.

Probably heard saying: "I've never had a threesome, but I'm an experimental person".



Pablo Iglesias (UP)
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Pablo Iglesias looking very presidential with that tie he bought at LIDL for the special occasions

Blessed with the moral compass of Machiavelli and the flexibility of a tapeworm, former chekist Iglesias sees himself as the next president of Spain. It wasn't an easy path. He had to purge Podemos from dissenters and make a number of difficult concessions in order to increase his mainstream appeal, the last of them wearing a two-piece suit at a gala. His latest boo-boo was casually flaunting his pride about having been a young Communist (implying that he's no longer one), which stung his Lenin adoring partners at IU like the fiery whip of capitalism. His position as the leader of Podemos (and the opposition) appears to be rock solid no matter what happens in the next days.

Probably heard saying: "I'm a convinced Social Democrat of Maoist roots".



Random election stuff that international GAF may find amusing:

  • In a desperately misguided attempt at pandering reaching to citizens of Latin American roots (whom are largely rallying for Podemos), the PP released a merengue version of the party's song. Apparently, they also pondered a reggaeton version before going for the merengue remix (I wish I were joking). The press corps had a good day with it. So did The Internet.
  • Podemos shocked pretty much everyone with the printed version of the party platform, which closely emulates the look and feel of Ikea's catalogues. Supporters were amused. Designers and political analysts raved about it for its uncanny ability to connect with its target. The PSOE wasted no time mocking it, claiming that "you can't sell a country" as if it were cheap Swedish furniture. The PP was to busy burning the dance floor.
  • Electoral legislation forbids Spanish outlets from publishing polls a few days before the elections; a highly controversial measure designed to hurt smaller parties by reducing their visibility. But there's always a way. The Andorran edition of Spanish newspaper El Periódico runs its own polls that are later cheekely reproduced as the latest fruit prices (complete with emojis) or the occupation rates of the subway line to the Moncloa Palace. Last time their pollster was way off, but it sure makes for an amusing read. As a rule of thumb, you shouldn't trust polls. With that said...

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Cute.


When:

Polls will close the 26th at 20:00 CET. Results will start flowing 30 minutes to one hour later. Let the Purge begin.

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Dryk

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Must be interesting to live in a place where less than half of your elected officials are capable of putting aside their differences for the people they were elected to serve
 

Impulsor

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Must be interesting to live in a place where less than half of your elected officials are capable of putting aside their differences for the people they were elected to serve

Oh, beleive me, it is.

I'm really upset with the situation in Spain. I don't really know what to do with my vote.

I don't feel comfortable voting any of our realistic options... so yeah.

It seems like come the 26th, it's going to be a huge disaster, just like in december, where nobody is going to be able to come to terms with nobody.
 

Fersis

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Thanks for the info Funky!

My brother is moving to Spain this year so im a bit interested on the current state of afairs.
 
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I wish my country had a Funky-Papa.

Great post! I suppose that political disenfranchisement is common in Spain.
 

Leonsito

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I'm voting for Unidos Podemos, but I have to say is a shame that they have to hide Communists ideals and talk about being socialdemocrat and more moderate postures :(
 

Vanpastel

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I'm voting for Unidos Podemos come sunday, I have almost no hopes of Pablo Iglesias becoming president this time around though.
 

Impulsor

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Podemos doing good 😀

I'm voting for Unidos Podemos, but I have to say is a shame that they have to hide Communists ideals and talk about being socialdemocrat and more moderate postures :(

I'm voting for Unidos Podemos come sunday, I have almost no hopes of Pablo Iglesias becoming president this time around though.

Most of us are, I think. At least the younger generations.

About PAblo being president.

If Unidos Podemos gets more votes than PSOE, which seems like a given right now, there are only two possible outcomes for our country, IMO:

1. PP + PSOE + Ciudadanos -> Rajoy President
2. Unidos Podemos + PSOE -> Pablo President

MAybe other combinations exist with minor groups and maybe some abstentions in favor of PP or PSOE. Who knows.

In any case, I don't see the situation being much different than the one we had in December.
 

Leonsito

Member
Most of us are, I think. At least the younger generations.

About PAblo being president.

If Unidos Podemos gets more votes than PSOE, which seems like a given right now, there are only two possible outcomes for our country, IMO:

1. PP + PSOE + Ciudadanos -> Rajoy President
2. Unidos Podemos + PSOE -> Pablo President

MAybe other combinations exist with minor groups and maybe some abstentions in favor of PP or PSOE. Who knows.

In any case, I don't see the situation being much different than the one we had in December.

It would be a huge surprise for me if PSOE supports Podemos, for me the most likely outcome is a PP president (not Rajoy) supported by C's and with the abstenance from PSOE.
 

Vanpastel

Member
Most of us are, I think. At least the younger generations.

About PAblo being president.

If Unidos Podemos gets more votes than PSOE, which seems like a given right now, there are only two possible outcomes for our country, IMO:

1. PP + PSOE + Ciudadanos -> Rajoy President
2. Unidos Podemos + PSOE -> Pablo President

MAybe other combinations exist with minor groups and maybe some abstentions in favor of PP or PSOE. Who knows.

In any case, I don't see the situation being much different than the one we had in December.
I still think that if Psoe gets less votes but more seats than Podemos they will try to bullshit their way into office.
 
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