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Xbox Series X Slim confirmed? to be released by Sony?
Man!! That takes some balls right there!It's nothing like the same. Street Fighter isn't owned by Sony. Blame Capcom as they own the IP and make the game. Nobody put a gun to Capcom and said make this exclusive.
Real question: if your company was in dire need of new IPs and dev talent - quickly, I might add - or a particular division was going to be shut down in your company, would you, A) begin building new studios from the ground up in hopes that you can become competitive in time? Or, B) see if any established, well knows developers with years of experience creating games and managing their own company we're seeking to be purchased? Keep in mind, these developers all ready have a well established pedigree, built in fanbase, IPs, culture and studios! PLUS... you would minimize cost and risk by taking the "B" route.
Again, real question. You don't necessarily have to answer. Every Gafer on this forum made the same choice you did.
Just saying...
That is a stupid take.Spencer seems desperate recently. Most likely that his job depending on this deal and he will get the boot if it will fail.
I should've been more clear. My apologies.That's a false dichotomy and you know it. Microsoft isn't in dire need of new IPs and developer talent. They're in dire need of management to properly manage their existing studios and IPs, of which they have plenty. They have more studios than Sony! How on Earth can you spin this to say that they are in dire need of developer talent? Especially after the Zenimax acquisition.
They also choose to make it platform exclusive, hurting market competition by removal of Street Fighter on other consoles that previous game entries had. Which by comparison to Sony's COD claims and MS keeping a 10 year deal in place is far worse given the FTC case. Also Nintendo and Steam don't have issue signing agreements off. Further Minecraft being available to any platform for almost 2 decades now also shits on this whole FTC and Sony claim or any replies in this thread inferring as much.
Seems like good evidence on why they should not be allowed to purchase more publishers. They're doing it for control over popular franchises. WRPGs alone they've practically cornered.I should've been more clear. My apologies.
This WAS the position they were in before this gen began. It's precisely what they needed to do. It is what it is
You guys are aware that most of these studios under the Xbox umbrella run themselves pretty much independently, right? Part of the reason these studios have been chosen for acquisition is because of their affinity to RUN THEMSELVES? Matt Booty is head of XGS, also. Not Phil Spencer. They spoke about this earlier on in this generation.
I should've been more clear. My apologies.
This WAS the position they were in before this gen began. It's precisely what they needed to do. It is what it is
You guys are aware that most of these studios under the Xbox umbrella run themselves pretty much independently, right? Part of the reason these studios have been chosen for acquisition is because of their affinity to RUN THEMSELVES? Matt Booty is head of XGS, also. Not Phil Spencer. They spoke about this earlier on in this generation.
Sony could of easily bought inexile and Obsidian entertainment they were dirt cheap. But Sony doesn't buy studios who are hurting financially and need tlc. Microsoft is the one taking a chance on a lot of fixer upers. There is lots of studios struggling financially Sony could buy out now but choose not to. This is their choice not Microsoft cornering the market. Lets not forget zenimax was not in good shape they were taking money hats for their games and doing desperate things like fall out 76. Sony could put a bid in if they paid near 4 billion for bungie. But don't like dealing with fixer upers.Seems like good evidence on why they should not be allowed to purchase more publishers. They're doing it for control over popular franchises. WRPGs alone they've practically cornered.
Sony could of easily bought inexile and Obsidian entertainment they were dirt cheap. But Sony doesn't buy studios who are hurting financially and need tlc. Microsoft is the one taking a chance on a lot of fixer upers. There is lots of studios struggling financially Sony could buy out now but choose not to. This is their choice not Microsoft cornering the market. Lets not forget zenimax was not in good shape they were taking money hats for their games and doing desperate things like fall out 76. Sony could put a bid in if they paid near 4 billion for bungie. But don't like dealing with fixer upers.
That specific point is misled, I don't know if this is in this thread, but I have seen it mentioned a couple of times.The BEST argument against this deal, that no one has mentioned as far as I know, is that MS have already played one trade commission for fools with it's promises to commit to ensuring the products of its newly acquired properties are on as many platforms as possible. But no one is saying that. It's just "It's unfair that MS can use its resources to buy competitiveness. . ."
The question is not about buying a studio, etc. obviously, these things happen all the time, not just in gaming either. The question is did it cross a line into monopolistic behaviour? and does it remain what the authorities consider "fair"?Real question: if your company was in dire need of new IPs and dev talent - quickly, I might add - or a particular division was going to be shut down in your company, would you, A) begin building new studios from the ground up in hopes that you can become competitive in time? Or, B) see if any established, well knows developers with years of experience creating games and managing their own company we're seeking to be purchased? Keep in mind, these developers all ready have a well established pedigree, built in fanbase, IPs, culture and studios! PLUS... you would minimize cost and risk by taking the "B" route.
Again, real question. You don't necessarily have to answer. Every Gafer on this forum made the same choice you did.
Just saying...
Look at some of the crazier conversations here and compare to having a conversation with strangers out in the open. I don’t think anonymity is doing our species any favors.Checked a few of his posts, wow. How can one be such a fanboy publicly at his age? I'd be embarassed to leave my basement and the dude is posting real life pictures while acting like he's 12. We are truly doomed as a species.
Sony could of easily bought inexile and Obsidian entertainment they were dirt cheap. But Sony doesn't buy studios who are hurting financially and need tlc. Microsoft is the one taking a chance on a lot of fixer upers. There is lots of studios struggling financially Sony could buy out now but choose not to. This is their choice not Microsoft cornering the market. Lets not forget zenimax was not in good shape they were taking money hats for their games and doing desperate things like fall out 76. Sony could put a bid in if they paid near 4 billion for bungie. But don't like dealing with fixer upers.
ExactlyIt's nothing like the same. Street Fighter isn't owned by Sony. Blame Capcom as they own the IP and make the game. Nobody put a gun to Capcom and said make this exclusive.
Yes, Sony chose to help fund a game that otherwise never would have existed without their assistance. Asking for console exclusivity is by no means unreasonable. Do you think Sony should've given Capcom even more money to help fund a port for Xbox and Nintendo platforms because they had previous entries in the franchise?
You assume too much. My issue IS NOT with Sony or MS creating or buying studios or exclusivity. I don't give a shit, let the corporates battle it out, consumers win when the market does that.
My issue IS Sony being dicks about ActiBliz given their own current or track record I have detailed in these threads and posts. It's clearly corporate manoeuvring for their own market position retention and classic business MBA walled gardens. When it's clear as crystal the market in all segments has the healthiest competition ever, historically and looking at the sustainable future of the next 10-20 years, this case is a joke and so are Sony. I fully anticipate the deal to go through and the FTC to get a few more concessions MS would have happily agreed to without the twat helming the FTC (his successor is directly from the Anti-Trust world) and bringing the case at all. It's just wasting everyone's time and money because Sony and the FTC guy want to be dicks beyond standard regulatory processes.
Sony has lost massive respect from me. Nintendo, Steam and MS have all gained more respect from me with these inner dealings being exposed publicly. I reserve judgement on the FTC and rulings for obvious reasons.
Your willfully ignorant aren't you? Where has the Xbox division pulled $80 billion in acquisitions from?Everyone sees what MS would like to happen. That still doesn't answer the current question. If the FTC wants to knock MS on what they might get up to, I'd imagine MS saying "Have at it!" as that should be pretty easy to argue once this goes before a court next year.
. . .of course I'm not a corporate lawyer like some of the folks in this thread apparently.
Obviously.
So basically, its the governments job to protect a corporate entity from having to develop its own independent solution to a third party product to the detriment of another company building out its own competitiveness through acquisitions (one of the easiest and historical ways for a company to build out weaknesses in their own product line that is very rarely actually successfully challenged)?
This of course ignores the fact that we're all wildly overvaluing COD (and yes, this is about COD) and its place in the gaming space (and no, this isn't about how much money COD brings in).
Again stop this nonsense. Sony haven't been buying publishers especially large ones like Bethesda or huge ones like ABK. There is no need for MS to be buying up 3rd party publishers. Maybe you should ask MS why they going to FTC to complain about Google eh?You assume too much. My issue IS NOT with Sony or MS creating or buying studios or exclusivity. I don't give a shit, let the corporates battle it out, consumers win when the market does that.
My issue IS Sony being dicks about ActiBliz given their own current or track record I have detailed in these threads and posts. It's clearly corporate manoeuvring for their own market position retention and classic business MBA walled gardens. When it's clear as crystal the market in all segments has the healthiest competition ever, historically and looking at the sustainable future of the next 10-20 years, this case is a joke and so are Sony. I fully anticipate the deal to go through and the FTC to get a few more concessions MS would have happily agreed to without the twat helming the FTC (his successor is directly from the Anti-Trust world) and bringing the case at all. It's just wasting everyone's time and money because Sony and the FTC guy want to be dicks beyond standard regulatory processes.
Sony has lost massive respect from me. Nintendo, Steam and MS have all gained more respect from me with these inner dealings being exposed publicly. I reserve judgement on the FTC and rulings for obvious reasons.
So where did the Xbox division get $80 billion from? Was it from revenue and profits from the Xbox division?Man!! That takes some balls right there!
Nobody put a gun to Microsoft's 20+ studios to sell either. This includes Bethesda and ABK.
Real question: if your company was in dire need of new IPs and dev talent - quickly, I might add - or a particular division was going to be shut down in your company, would you, A) begin building new studios from the ground up in hopes that you can become competitive in time? Or, B) see if any established, well knows developers with years of experience creating games and managing their own company we're seeking to be purchased? Keep in mind, these developers all ready have a well established pedigree, built in fanbase, IPs, culture and studios! PLUS... you would minimize cost and risk by taking the "B" route.
Again, real question. You don't necessarily have to answer. Every Gafer on this forum made the same choice you did.
Just saying...
Xbox Series X Slim confirmed? to be released by Sony?
FTC guy? His successor? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?I fully anticipate the deal to go through and the FTC to get a few more concessions MS would have happily agreed to without the twat helming the FTC (his successor is directly from the Anti-Trust world) and bringing the case at all. It's just wasting everyone's time and money because Sony and the FTC guy want to be dicks beyond standard regulatory processes.
Yeah, the company responsible for corporate consolidation and gobbling up billion $ independent multiplatform developers merely to take their games off competitor platforms (not to produce new games for their own gamers) is good.You assume too much. My issue IS NOT with Sony or MS creating or buying studios or exclusivity. I don't give a shit, let the corporates battle it out, consumers win when the market does that.
My issue IS Sony being dicks about ActiBliz given their own current or track record I have detailed in these threads and posts. It's clearly corporate manoeuvring for their own market position retention and classic business MBA walled gardens. When it's clear as crystal the market in all segments has the healthiest competition ever, historically and looking at the sustainable future of the next 10-20 years, this case is a joke and so are Sony. I fully anticipate the deal to go through and the FTC to get a few more concessions MS would have happily agreed to without the twat helming the FTC (his successor is directly from the Anti-Trust world) and bringing the case at all. It's just wasting everyone's time and money because Sony and the FTC guy want to be dicks beyond standard regulatory processes.
Sony has lost massive respect from me. Nintendo, Steam and MS have all gained more respect from me with these inner dealings being exposed publicly. I reserve judgement on the FTC and rulings for obvious reasons.
That arms race has already been kicked off, mainly by MS. Sony only recently buying the studios that they had relied on since 1994 is a testament to that. If this arms race had not begun Insomniac would still be independent. It was clearly a defence move in this current climate that's required. To secure continued development of your IPs just in case somebody comes along there too.If Sony fails to stop or delay Microsoft's purchase, it kicks off an arms race that Sony probably isn't in a great position financially to compete against, whereas after a couple of years of sustained revenue from PS5 will largely change that.
FTC guy? His successor? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
SourceOver the past two years, the Federal Trade Commission has suffered a series of stinging defeats in headline matters: the reversal in August 2020 of the district court order in the agency’s lawsuit against Qualcomm; the near-dismissal in June 2021 of one of its lawsuits against Facebook, and, most recently, the rejection in February and September 2022, respectively, by administrative law judges of its lawsuits against Altria and Illumina.
Yeah, the company responsible for corporate consolidation and gobbling up billion $ independent multiplatform developers merely to take their games off competitor platforms (not to produce new games for their own gamers) is good.
The company resisting this and helping independent developers, funding their games, and setting up their studios so the industry gets even more games is bad.
Who on earth are you talking about? The FTC chair is a woman named Lina.Yep, I do. The current FTC head who is the top dog responsible for this case being filed is off to court himself for being too aggressive with corporations, industry and regulation for his years in office currently.
My apologises, I had forgotten the name and gender. Thanks for the correction. The content remains the same. *this is spare time armchair expert stuff for me.Who on earth are you talking about? The FTC chair is a woman named Lina.
Microsoft is a software company and the 3rd richest company in the world. We aren't talking about Google in this instance. I can't comment there. We're talking about Sony: a company that barely even registers when compared to Microsoft when it comes to finances and resources. Big picture; you can't really compare the two That's why Sony is utilizing the FTC and not their bank account to try and stop the ABK merger. They couldn't financially stop it themselves by spending their own $70 billion. They simply don't have that kind of money. It is what it is.So where did the Xbox division get $80 billion from? Was it from revenue and profits from the Xbox division?
You see it's alright for MS to cry foul about Google but MS should be allowed to throw money at any competition it encounters eh?
But why shouldn't they be buying publishers who want to be bought? You honestly believe Sony wouldn't if they could afford it? The first time Microsoft bought Bethesda, Sony would've come back with the purchase of 2K, EA or multiple smaller studios. They didn't because they couldn't. That's the ONLY reason there isn't a massive bidding war between the two companies concerning ABK.Again stop this nonsense. Sony haven't been buying publishers especially large ones like Bethesda or huge ones like ABK. There is no need for MS to be buying up 3rd party publishers. Maybe you should ask MS why they going to FTC to complain about Google eh?
Funded and setup? Most of them were just timed-exclusive games.Yep, I do. The current FTC head who is the top dog responsible for this case being filed is off to court himself for being too aggressive with corporations, industry and regulation for his years in office currently. Nothing to do with MS or gaming but the same bullish and unwarranted attitude is being actioned in court for a case against the FTC, there have also been a number of high-profile tech turnovers or outright rejections of filings and rulings not in favour of previous FTC wins (see quote below). His successor is likely to be from the anti-trust world, much like himself. This means overregulation has not gone unnoticed in the last few years from the FTC by various industries but it might be a bumpy ride again with a new head of FTC.
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What are you on about? Do you even know where the success and revenue for ID @ Xbox and Gamepass even comes from of recent years? Microsoft financially backing indies, devs, studios and publishers with various and dynamic business arrangements. There are threads about articles and tweets from devs with solid numbers and interviews of exactly this growth the successful game release and repeated game developer thereafter. It's currently at a success ratio of 8 out 10, you can do your own research or look back over the Gamepass catalog of the last 2 years yourself. You're complaining about the company championing accessibility (adaptive controller), sustained updates to the ecosystem more frequently and in tune with what insiders' feedback as well as a poster child for a modern day corpo workplace. Weird.
Do I really have to do an exhaustive list, ID @ Xbox and funding/agreements have shipped over 2,000 games -
Christ retrospectively one could argue Bungie bought, sold and the creation/sustain of 343 are valid arguments that Microsoft's supposed consolidation in fact grew market content creators and publishers/platforms alike. That success has mostly come from mutual growth and not blocking tactics or closing tactics. Sony have done similar but generally far more for their closed system than say something Gamepass that spans mobile, console, PC and streaming all day one and one ecosystem.
- Minecraft
- Ori
- Tunic
- Cuphead
- Flight
- Super Meat Boy
- Limbo
- Castle Crashers
True. Same with HouseMarque. Head of HouseMarque told that they got multiple offers from the usual suspects. Sony swooped in after that and acquired them.That arms race has already been kicked off, mainly by MS. Sony only recently buying the studios that they had relied on since 1994 is a testament to that. If this arms race had not begun Insomniac would still be independent. It was clearly a defence move in this current climate that's required. To secure continued development of your IPs just in case somebody comes along there too.
Your willfully ignorant aren't you? Where has the Xbox division pulled $80 billion in acquisitions from?
You can find that on the youtube channel of Jezz7780 from last monday...I wonder what phil promised to eu back when they bought zenimax which led ftc to straight up calling them you lied then.
Wish eu release the documents with out deduction...
And she is hot.Who on earth are you talking about? The FTC chair is a woman named Lina.
Sony doesn't care and they should be worse about this.You assume too much. My issue IS NOT with Sony or MS creating or buying studios or exclusivity. I don't give a shit, let the corporates battle it out, consumers win when the market does that.
My issue IS Sony being dicks about ActiBliz given their own current or track record I have detailed in these threads and posts. It's clearly corporate manoeuvring for their own market position retention and classic business MBA walled gardens. When it's clear as crystal the market in all segments has the healthiest competition ever, historically and looking at the sustainable future of the next 10-20 years, this case is a joke and so are Sony. I fully anticipate the deal to go through and the FTC to get a few more concessions MS would have happily agreed to without the twat helming the FTC (his successor is directly from the Anti-Trust world) and bringing the case at all. It's just wasting everyone's time and money because Sony and the FTC guy want to be dicks beyond standard regulatory processes.
Sony has lost massive respect from me. Nintendo, Steam and MS have all gained more respect from me with these inner dealings being exposed publicly. I reserve judgement on the FTC and rulings for obvious reasons.
It shows exactly what MS typically does which is to buy their way to success. They've had years to cultivate their own studios and have failed time after time. They are using cash from other divisions to consolidate the market and take away 3rd party party developers and IP from other platforms. This is what it has to do with the price of tea in China. Feigning stupidity isn't the answer.And? What's this got to do with the price of tea in China? The government isn't looking to block this merger because MS has a lot of cash. As someone not "willfully ignorant" that should be obvious.
. . .thanks for the contribution though.
they are waiting to work on Acti/Blizz IP as support studio.Didnt xbox just bought over 20 studios?
What happened to that
Where's your evidence they would have? If that was the case they would have bought a publisher by now other than Psygnosis. Your projecting what MS fangirls would like their company to do which is buy up all the 3rd party publishers and remove competition and choice, consolidate the industry.But why shouldn't they be buying publishers who want to be bought? You honestly believe Sony wouldn't if they could afford it? The first time Microsoft bought Bethesda, Sony would've come back with the purchase of 2K, EA or multiple smaller studios. They didn't because they couldn't. That's the ONLY reason there isn't a massive bidding war between the two companies concerning ABK.
Exactly the Xbox division doesn't have 80 billion. It's funneled from other divisions to prop up the Xbox division. This is typical MS. Haven't got the talent or idea themselves let's throw money at it. That's why the FTC exists so companies like MS can't just bully and outspend rivals then cry like bitches when other trillion dollar companies do it to them.Microsoft is a software company and the 3rd richest company in the world. We aren't talking about Google in this instance. I can't comment there. We're talking about Sony: a company that barely even registers when compared to Microsoft when it comes to finances and resources. Big picture; you can't really compare the two That's why Sony is utilizing the FTC and not their bank account to try and stop the ABK merger. They couldn't financially stop it themselves by spending their own $70 billion. They simply don't have that kind of money. It is what it is.
Didnt xbox just bought over 20 studios?
What happened to that
It shows exactly what MS typically does which is to buy their way to success. They've had years to cultivate their own studios and have failed time after time. They are using cash from other divisions to consolidate the market and take away 3rd party party developers and IP from other platforms. This is what it has to do with the price of tea in China. Feigning stupidity isn't the answer.
Your [sic] projecting what MS fangirls would like their company to do