March Climber
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It's still too soon for cloud gaming.
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Sony gearing up for new cloud gaming push (Verge)
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feynoob
Banned
Whether you like it or not, that is the future that we are heading.
Consoles would be obselete. Subscripton services and cloud gaming will take off, since they are cheap to set for consumers.
Look at current gen console numbers. They will take years to hit 100m. Few more years and you will have to repeat those cycles again.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
just like phones.
01011001
Banned
I stand by what I said in other threads, Cloud gaming will become completely obsolete in the future, because the hardware power will outgrow the manpower required to fully saturate it.
and with hardware becoming cheaper and more powerful, cloud gaming will become a useless complication instead of simply playing locally.
Bonfires Down
Member
Pretty much. Gaf is allergic to anything mobile, F2P, multiplayer, cloud. Meanwhile that’s like 90% of the gaming market.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Sony seems to be doing pretty well with their 10%, likewise Nintendo.
Sony does rely a bit (not totally) on those F2P and multiplayer games but the OP didn't have the stats.
Why not?
I mean. Currently I want to play those coveted PS exclusive games, but I have no use for second console. So currently I'm paying 0$ per month to Sony.
But give me PS5 cloud support, android app for cloud gaming and you got customer paying 15$ (or whatever PS Plus Premium monthly cost is) per month.
I mean. Currently I want to play those coveted PS exclusive games, but I have no use for second console. So currently I'm paying 0$ per month to Sony.
But give me PS5 cloud support, android app for cloud gaming and you got customer paying 15$ (or whatever PS Plus Premium monthly cost is) per month.
feynoob
Banned
Mate, cloud will become the future and hardware will become obsolete.
Look at smart tv. They over taken normal TV's and DVDs players. Cloud will do the same.
MS and Sony currently are spending enormous amount of money just to make these hardwares. Cloud will save them alot of money, due to the service being a software and not a device which they need to sell on stores.
feynoob
Banned
Phones are necessity and have short life span due to phone manufacturers (they make the phone slow on purpose).
TrebleShot
Member
Bring it on, installed content is quite a barrier.
Buying, downloading and installing a game can be quick on fast connections but lets be honest its beginning to feel quite old.
Instant access is amazing and on any device is the future.
Less plastic boxes, less power consumption, less expensive giant graphics cards or consoles.
I think its ready to begin the push.
Buying, downloading and installing a game can be quick on fast connections but lets be honest its beginning to feel quite old.
Instant access is amazing and on any device is the future.
Less plastic boxes, less power consumption, less expensive giant graphics cards or consoles.
I think its ready to begin the push.
trikster40
Member
I think they meant this kind of cloud gaming:
Goalus
Member
Playing locally will always be more cumbersome because it will require local storage and updates must be downloaded. VR and AR will require cloud streaming at some point when the headset becomes smaller and smaller.
Every week-end when I open the Play Store on my phone, I see 40 app updates waiting to be downloaded which is a huge turn-off. I'd prefer all local apps to be progressive web apps so that I don't have to download updates on a regular basis.
Wooxsvan
Member
ya, its good but just not as good as local. i used it to play destiny from my macbook for a couple months. was fine.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
lol no
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
So far all these cloud gaming services have been failures with regards to the number of people using them and the number of games available. Google killed Stadia, yet MS and Sony still offer cloud gaming services but the vast majority of their customers aren't interested. There's no indication at all that cloud gaming is gaining traction. And even if gamers would start to flock to cloud gaming services, I've not seen any evidence that cloud gaming is actually profitable. I've got the impression that MS and Sony are in it because of FOMO and don't want to be left behind if cloud gaming suddenly takes off.
Spyxos
Gold Member
It's was so good that I didn't really notice that I wasn't playing locally. However, I also used 3080/4080 tier. It is probably still not good enough for multiplayer games, but single player games are more than decent.
feynoob
Banned
Because cloud gaming is in a subscription form right now.
If they adopt stadia model, cloud gaming will skyrocket in an overnight.
Just wait for them to adapt that B2P model
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nkarafo
Member
The future of gaming seems bleaker and bleaker.
yurinka
Member
The process of Xcloud is the same exactly process of PS4 and PS3, and very likely will be the same for PS5 when Sony considers it's he time to stream PS5 games, a process that Sony has patented.
Pretty likely if Sony still haven't included PS5 in the cloud was because they prefered to prioritize to sell its games over having them in game subs and cloud gaming, and because Sony only puts some of their games in their game sub, and way after the game release (maybe it's still too soon). Sony maybe also wanted to put all available PS5 hardware being sold to consumers in console until they matched the huge, unsatisfied demand they had out there blocked by chips shortages.
Before XSX was announced, Sony already mentioned that their next gen plans for PS Now included to stream PS5 games, and to bring their cloud gaming to mobile and smart tvs, plus other changes that we already saw (bring it to more countries, change its pricing and make its offering more appealing, improve streaming quality, etc).
Sony isn't reactive to GP. Sony is simply implementing their long term plans for cloud gaming they announced 10 years ago, way before GP and Xcloud existed. Sony's cloud gaming and game subs were also released way before GP.
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itsjustJEFF
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Honestly, if there isn't much hardware in the damn thing I could see it going for a fairly low price, at least I am hoping so lol $100 might be a bit farfetched, but $150-$200 for a device might actually be possible. I just hope they don't make the damn thing gigantic. I think Switch Lite is a pretty good size, maybe even slightly smaller would be cool.
With that being said, it's not really a product for me but I could see a lot of ppl really liking it. I've given "portable" gaming a try on numerous occasions, it just wasn't for me.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They are not going to announce anything "today" for years down the line. You will get a showcase or a blog post with "PS5 Games Now Added to Streaming." As they did with the PS4. I can bet they already have the blades tapped out with the lower fab spec and ready to go as we speak.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Isn't this specifically designed for people that already have the $500 console?
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
PlayStation says it will soon reveal ‘aggressive’ plans for cloud gaming | VGC
Jim Ryan teases “interesting” take on the feature…
www.videogameschronicle.com
That’s according to CEO Jim Ryan, who claimed during a business call on Tuesday that the PlayStation firm would reveal its plans “over the course of the coming months”, without elaborating further.
“We observe mobility in gaming habits to be an increasingly important trend, and the cloud will be fundamental to allowing us, or indeed anybody else, to exploit that trend,” he said.
“Unfortunately, today is not the place for me to disclose these plans, but we do have some fairly interesting and quite aggressive plans to accelerate our initiatives in the space of the cloud that will unfold over the course of the coming months.”
X-Wing
Member
Good on them to start preparing for an inevitable shift.
I have a pretty good experience streaming games from their cloud service at the moment, and the tech can only improve. With 5G becoming more and more available it would be a mistake to not take advantage of it for gaming portability.
I have a pretty good experience streaming games from their cloud service at the moment, and the tech can only improve. With 5G becoming more and more available it would be a mistake to not take advantage of it for gaming portability.
Spaceman292
Banned
They're allergic because the games suck
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Not inevitable and their wonts be a shift this is like thinking theryl be a shift to VR or the metaverse just cuz its new
cloud gaming is crud and always will be internet speeds will never be fast enough worldwide
X-Wing
Member
lol ok
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
TrebleShot
Member
I don’t get why so many people on this forum are so allergic to cloud gaming.
A lot of the issues that were prevelant a year , two years or even 6 months ago are being addressed and it’s actually very viable way of playing.
I will give you an example.
Forza Horizon 5 - I have game pass and it’s installed on my PC so I have three options to access that game.
1. Native, boot up my pc, go to desktop, open game pass , click game, wait for updates if there are any and play in crisp 4k60/120.
2. Local Streaming, boot up my pc, grab my phone with a backbone or Logitech g cloud or steam deck open moonlight, connect to pc, launch game from launcher and adjust fps and res.
3. xcloud, open xcloud on any device, press play.
You see how that is a different experience and far more sleek and streamlined to accessing games what’s more is you can do it for the monthly fee without any hardware to run the game locally so it’s like £7.99 a month or 2/3k on a gaming PC.
Sure there are downsides like you’re only paying for access but that’s always going to be the case unless you buy games physically which is going way of the dodo anyway because of ease of access and availability.
The tides are shifting , it won’t take over wholesale soon but it will grow and grow and grow it will be huge soon enough.
Please of your worried about lag and quality try the premium GeForce now sub for a month.
Or better yet try Moonlight with your local PC for a taster.
With AI the improvements to lag and quality will vanish within a year or two.
Don’t forget xcloud is still in beta and sony will likely build on the lessons MS learnt from it as it will use the same baseline tech.
A lot of the issues that were prevelant a year , two years or even 6 months ago are being addressed and it’s actually very viable way of playing.
I will give you an example.
Forza Horizon 5 - I have game pass and it’s installed on my PC so I have three options to access that game.
1. Native, boot up my pc, go to desktop, open game pass , click game, wait for updates if there are any and play in crisp 4k60/120.
2. Local Streaming, boot up my pc, grab my phone with a backbone or Logitech g cloud or steam deck open moonlight, connect to pc, launch game from launcher and adjust fps and res.
3. xcloud, open xcloud on any device, press play.
You see how that is a different experience and far more sleek and streamlined to accessing games what’s more is you can do it for the monthly fee without any hardware to run the game locally so it’s like £7.99 a month or 2/3k on a gaming PC.
Sure there are downsides like you’re only paying for access but that’s always going to be the case unless you buy games physically which is going way of the dodo anyway because of ease of access and availability.
The tides are shifting , it won’t take over wholesale soon but it will grow and grow and grow it will be huge soon enough.
Please of your worried about lag and quality try the premium GeForce now sub for a month.
Or better yet try Moonlight with your local PC for a taster.
With AI the improvements to lag and quality will vanish within a year or two.
Don’t forget xcloud is still in beta and sony will likely build on the lessons MS learnt from it as it will use the same baseline tech.
Flutta
Banned
Stadia also crashed and burned.
I personally hopes this Cloud garbage never takes off and everyone of them has the same fate as OnLive, and Stadia.
I don't care if the option is cheaper or not, that's not my problem. You show me a compelling product and i'll listen otherwise take your renting garbage and fuck off!
BootsLoader
Banned
If it is 200$ or below with cloud gaming, I could buy this just to play games anywhere. But more than that, I don't think so.
Obviously, they can make money from subscriptions on this thing so they can price it low.
Obviously, they can make money from subscriptions on this thing so they can price it low.
crackajack
Member
OnLive was bought by Sony, like Gaika, and both kinda merged and became the foundation of PS Now- at least they sucked some patent stuff out of it. Only Stadia stopped without anyone doing something with it.
I don't understand why anyone would hope that anything doesn't take off. It's an option you don't have to use, but if others see any benefit in it, why do you care?
The natural next step is to offer PS5 games via stream. Which of course would also be marketed a bit as a new feature of the Premium tier. But since PS4 visuals already take quite a hit- the crsip FHD is basically gone and we are almost at PS3 levels-, I wonder how high the required data rate needs to be, to not make it barely different than a PS4 game. If it is looking the same and even is a cross platform game wasting energy for a version that doesn't even look different would be weird. Getting rid of PS3 server blades would also be necessary some day in the soon future. The existing ones won't last forever. So at least with PS6 they should have BC, unless they can order new Cells once in a while for a few very expensive units every few years.
X-Wing
Member
This really depends on your location and internet connection. In terms of visuals I have an almost as good as native experience when streaming to the PS5.
feynoob
Banned
Stadia was a compelling product. The owner of the product wasn't so much.
This tech allows you to play your games without having to download anything. You can easily switch your games without any problem. And don't have to waste your money buying a new console every gen. That money could be used to buy new games.
crackajack
Member
It's good enough for me too, but I'd expect 4k compressed loses what makes 4k 4k, even more so than compressing FHD. At least imho PS3 games look closer to native than PS4 games do. Might also be due to PS3s probably have spearate streaming devices on top of the PS3s while PS4 have to handle it themselves.
Depends possibly also on the game. I think racing games are hurt more for some reason, while eg Avengers or Batman Origin look alright.
Maybe I am imagining something that is not even in there but streaming on PC with that HW accelerated whatever included looks better than streaming PS4 on PS4.
I guess PS5 games would need to run on a more advanced compression. But since remote play already exists, the tech is already defined and I might have chosen a bad example, just started it once, but it did not look nice and that was without location and long internet connection lines.