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Sony gearing up for new cloud gaming push (Verge)
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TGO
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You never do
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They were the first console maker to do this with PS3 server blades for PS Now, then PS4 blades when they added PS4 games, so naturally they will make custom PS5 blades.
Sony creates custom PS3 hardware for PlayStation Now
Sony has developed brand new PS3 hardware to power its PlayStation Now streaming service, revealed earlier this month a…
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
TGO
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What would the competition be for Sony's Cloud Handheld?
Are Nintendo & Steam off the cards because it's a cloud device?
What makes you say the Steam Deck isn't a viable competitor?
I can't think of reason...
So instead of asking why another Handheld is relevant, which the simple answer would be... because it's a handheld.
Tell me why it's not
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
G cloud. Smartphones with controller accessories. You know, streaming products. I know you’re mad that sony is porting games to PC but this has nothing to do with that and wont make them stop. Steam Deck hasn’t even sold 2 million units, it’s competition are things like the GDP Win and Aya Neo.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
An 8-inch OLED Screen with 1080p120hz VRR support streaming directly from the PS5 via AD-HOC connection using Wifi 6 for ultra quality and low latency... Still don't entice me a bit...
Make a proper handheld, or just give up already.
Make a proper handheld, or just give up already.
TGO
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Thank you.
Seems logical, but a cheap device doesn't always equal success.
And of course we are expecting it to be cheap, although that's not a guarantee either.
kruis
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Sony also had a long string of relative and outright failures, and each time the executives got off scot-free because their successful core gaming business saved their asses.
It's as if people don't remember PSP Vita, PS Move, PS VR, PS Now ... All of these were with hindsight a waste of money and resources. Sony management is absolutely consumed by FOMO.
Chukhopops
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Steam Deck is barely a year old (Feb 22) and comparing it to a Cloud handheld is just ridiculous.
I also really doubt it’s going to be under 200 when it’s supposed to include all the Dual Sense bullshit, a decent screen and really good Wifi to reduce latency.
BootsLoader
Banned
I hope this is not connected to their "Handheld Console Rumors". If it is cloud oriented it will die as soon as it is released. Very bad idea Sony. Lets see how this unfolds.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
let them try what they want. Maybe this will go the way of PS5, or maybe it will go the way pf PSVR 2.
Is there any talk of their games for this year? PSVR 2 is out now, all this talk of hardware, slim models, ps5 pro's......we are in Mid April and theres been nothing for how long?
Is there any talk of their games for this year? PSVR 2 is out now, all this talk of hardware, slim models, ps5 pro's......we are in Mid April and theres been nothing for how long?
StealthGoblin
Banned
Yeah this makes a lot of sense.
PS+ premium is only really valuable if you like streaming.
They’ve got a weird thing going on with Netflix - Ghost of Tshusima icons were found in Netflix code.
The portable we’ve heard about.
I really think something big has been cooking under the hood for a long time, and I think it could be bigger than anyone reasonably thought.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’ll be a stick/dongle for Dualsense compatible with TVs coming, or there being a way of paring the portable with a TV.
That way you can make use of remote play from your PS5, or access PS+ premium from wherever.
PS+ premium is only really valuable if you like streaming.
They’ve got a weird thing going on with Netflix - Ghost of Tshusima icons were found in Netflix code.
The portable we’ve heard about.
I really think something big has been cooking under the hood for a long time, and I think it could be bigger than anyone reasonably thought.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’ll be a stick/dongle for Dualsense compatible with TVs coming, or there being a way of paring the portable with a TV.
That way you can make use of remote play from your PS5, or access PS+ premium from wherever.
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TGO
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I ain't mad they porting games to PC, they've done it before with the PSX.
didn't care then, don't care now.
Am just tired of watching their little announcements for the past 3 years and seeing no new PS5 titles at the point that we should be be seeing the most
And yes as PC port's are all they seem to be announcing then it may appear that is what people are annoyed about.
Shit if you have a PC & PS5 then those muthafuckas have been trying to sell you the same product twice in 3 years..... multiple times.
Don't care if they announce they porting anything to PC as long as it new and is coming to PS5.
OuterLimits
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This is a good point. I'm not sure why some expect this to be fairly cheap. Sony hasn't exactly been releasing inexpensive products lately.
TGO
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587 days or 1 year, 7 months
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Koppelthorn
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I don't think this is a bad thing, and I have a feeling that SONY is going to do some interesting stuff with cloud based gaming that isn't just "The game is running on compute resources somewhere and streamed to your console", buttttttttt
There are still a plethora of people, myself included, (In the USA) that just don't have the broadband to really utilize a lot of this stuff. It's not even a money thing most of the time, rural WISPs all over the US at least are content with running legacy PtP equipment that are almost end of life and only support up to 5mbps down, and that's not even to comment on most of these local WISPs towers have just enough backhauls/infrastructure to support THOSE 5mb PtP customers, so you would have to do a whole thing tower and CPE side to even get customers the speed required to utilize these sorts of services. It makes me sad since the government, both state and federal have given these corporations large and small huge sums of money for "Broadband Infrastructure Revitalization" or whatever and they end up just doing...stupid things with the money and not improving pre-existing infrastructure so they can get their numbers up on something stupid and get bought out by a larger WISP. It sucks
I would imagine in the more densly populated areas of Europe and places like Japan with lots of broadband infrastructure its a completely different story, and there may be a large enough market from people in those areas to make these sort of services profitable (and therefore, expansion of them making financial sense) but here I read about these cloud gaming things and just get sad that I probably won't be able to do anything with them.
There are still a plethora of people, myself included, (In the USA) that just don't have the broadband to really utilize a lot of this stuff. It's not even a money thing most of the time, rural WISPs all over the US at least are content with running legacy PtP equipment that are almost end of life and only support up to 5mbps down, and that's not even to comment on most of these local WISPs towers have just enough backhauls/infrastructure to support THOSE 5mb PtP customers, so you would have to do a whole thing tower and CPE side to even get customers the speed required to utilize these sorts of services. It makes me sad since the government, both state and federal have given these corporations large and small huge sums of money for "Broadband Infrastructure Revitalization" or whatever and they end up just doing...stupid things with the money and not improving pre-existing infrastructure so they can get their numbers up on something stupid and get bought out by a larger WISP. It sucks
I would imagine in the more densly populated areas of Europe and places like Japan with lots of broadband infrastructure its a completely different story, and there may be a large enough market from people in those areas to make these sort of services profitable (and therefore, expansion of them making financial sense) but here I read about these cloud gaming things and just get sad that I probably won't be able to do anything with them.
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Patrick S.
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I'm skeptical. Played Mortal Kombat 11 on the PS5 via streaming yesterday, and the graphics quality was very bad, with lots of pixelation or compression artifacts.
Today, I tied playing Ion Storm over Steam's Steam Link feature, from a PC to an Amazon Cube, which has a more than decent performance, both connected via LAN, and the lag was horrible. I left the PC's monitor on to compare to what was going on on the TV, and there was was felt like a second of input delay, and everything was extremely jerky.
Nah, I'm not buying anything streaming related.
Today, I tied playing Ion Storm over Steam's Steam Link feature, from a PC to an Amazon Cube, which has a more than decent performance, both connected via LAN, and the lag was horrible. I left the PC's monitor on to compare to what was going on on the TV, and there was was felt like a second of input delay, and everything was extremely jerky.
Nah, I'm not buying anything streaming related.
Midn1ght
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The entire industry is taking forever to release big games these day, that's just how it is and Sony just had a busy year releasing 3 big exclusive titles. I know 2023 seems a little more quiet on the game release side and I understand your frustration with the lack of news but they have FFXVI, FFVIIR and Spiderman 2 coming up this year, they also just released PSVR2 and will probably release a new console (Slim/Pro?) this year. They're staying busy and will probably announce tons of stuff in June. The few PC releases they've had is not slowing them down, it's not like 3 or 4 extra exclusives would be releasing this year if they ignored PC.
About them selling the same product over and over, I mean look at RE4, they'll probably remake it again in 10 years and people will still buy it on mass. Welcome to 2023, everything sucks.
TGO
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When I said that, I meant they released them on PS5 & then ported them same titles to PC within that time span without announcing anything new or releasing anything other then TLOUPT1 which they have now ported too.
I hear people say they own a PS5 & PC and if I was them I would be in the same boat of asking where is the new shit.
Spider Man 2 & Wolverine was announced in 2021, none of them are out yet and theres nothing else, make you wonder when they do announced another two games is that gonna be another 3 years of silence from them?
But Third Party developers are doing fine though, they are literally carrying the PS5 while Sony dawdles around.
Capcom, Especially the RE Team are literally embarrassing the industry with how they announced and released consistently with high quality titles.
yurinka
Member
Shortly before releasing PS5 Sony said that part of their plans for their next gen PS Now plans were to bring it to smartphones and tablets, and to stream PS5 titles. We already saw several related patents, like 5G specific optimizations.
In addition to this they also mentioned in that documents other things they already did, such as to tweak the pricing, its content or to open it to more countries.
There was also something that wasn't very clear but seemed to be something like Stadia: in addition to have your rented games in PS Plus Extra for streaming, to play via streamed acquired games. But it wasn't clear if they meant the same PSN games you already own or if you'd need to buy a separate license for cloud gaming. That would open the door to maybe allow mobile gaming users and PC users to acquire (potentially any?) PS5 game to play it via streaming possibly even if it isn't included in PS Plus Extra.
In addition to this they also mentioned in that documents other things they already did, such as to tweak the pricing, its content or to open it to more countries.
There was also something that wasn't very clear but seemed to be something like Stadia: in addition to have your rented games in PS Plus Extra for streaming, to play via streamed acquired games. But it wasn't clear if they meant the same PSN games you already own or if you'd need to buy a separate license for cloud gaming. That would open the door to maybe allow mobile gaming users and PC users to acquire (potentially any?) PS5 game to play it via streaming possibly even if it isn't included in PS Plus Extra.
Yes, they would use the same method that Sony patented and is used for Series X, PS3 and PS4: to put several PS5 console hardware in a server rack.
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bentanchorbolt
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Cloud isn’t a failed idea lol it hasn’t even seen its final form. Stadia was a bad product. If Stadia allowed you to play the games you already owned via cloud it would have been a smash hit.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Have you guys ever done a share play (ps4) or game share (ps5) session?
Since last gen ps consoles are game streaming capable. This is the logical next step, pay 200-300 for a screen with a small arm apu and a yuge battery, bam you get streaming from your own ps5.
I don't know wether they actually will do that or build a cloud, but... doing it from your own ps5 means likely no fees other than being in ps extra or whatever.
Since last gen ps consoles are game streaming capable. This is the logical next step, pay 200-300 for a screen with a small arm apu and a yuge battery, bam you get streaming from your own ps5.
I don't know wether they actually will do that or build a cloud, but... doing it from your own ps5 means likely no fees other than being in ps extra or whatever.
Knightime_X
Member
DOA if that's the main and only draw for the handheld.
I don't want a ps5 on the go (cloud streaming), I want games made specifically for the portable hardware on the go.
Just release PSP2 and have lesser versions of games on that.
PSP was awesome.
I don't want a ps5 on the go (cloud streaming), I want games made specifically for the portable hardware on the go.
Just release PSP2 and have lesser versions of games on that.
PSP was awesome.
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Cert.in.Death
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yurinka
Member
The supposed concept of the portable is to be only for remote play. Think the WiiU pad but without touchscreen and with DualSense features.
Sony hiring people for cloud gaming is like hiring people for any other division. Don't need to be related for the remote play only handheld. Pretty likely the cloud gaming hirings are for cloud gaming in PS4, PS5, PC (and something they are working on since many years ago and was mentioned in 2013 then they announced their long term PS Now plans) smartphones, tablets and smart tvs.
Yes, PSP was awesome but I don't see them creating a handheld that requires specific games for it. The resource from the publishers are already too busy with the other platforms, there isn't market and developers for it.
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In Cold Blood
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As we have seen with Xcloud the process of setting up the amount of PS5s in the sky needed to supply the needs of streamers is long. MS is still diverting wafers for Xcloud and this is making supply issues for the XSX.
We are talking years before Sony would have a working system.
Knightime_X
Member
That's cool I guess.
Money remains firmly in my wallet until further notice.
Mobile was the future. Core gamers are the ones living in the past.
In Cold Blood
Banned
I understand they already did this is, my point is that even if they announce that they are going to do this today, it's going to be years down the track before it can even turn on.
I don't see Sony diverting millions of PS5 wafers to put in server blades when they have only just managed to get ahead of their own supply issues.
MS still has supply issues because of it and they have been doing Xcloud for years.
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John Wick
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It's sheer stupidity. We are in a cost of living crisis and this clown called Jim thinks people can afford to buy the PS5 and the VR2 then also a streaming handheld. Sony should just focus on getting current gen games on PS5. PSVR2 should have launched next year. This is going to stretch Sony and dilute some of the games.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
So this article adds to the Sony cloud timeline -
I was never expecting Sony to compete at the cloud provider level of AWS, MS/Azure, Google or Apple but by now I would have expected a lot more for their PS strategy in this regard. I do expect Sony to have a competent and well performing cloud solution. By comparison to Nintendo, Sony are moving faster and with purpose now. By comparison to Xbox/Azure, well there is no comparison. I do leave room for some unique features or performance gains from PS/Sony but overall the holistic approach is no where on the roadmap or gamers mindshare. Game Pass crosses so many devices, platforms, infrastructure, ecosystem, regions, privacy, security, technology compatibilities, cloud saves, cross play etc and has games bundled right in to play all sorts of genres and qualities right away. I'm really only seeing Sony rumours of a handheld tied to their cloud/remote play so far. xCloud has had a pretty great reception in terms of performance and actual customer experiences using it. It has been a smart play by Xbox bundling Game Pass and xCloud together with their Xbox platform and ecosystem expansion across console, PC and mobile.
Of course based on current day internetworking the service is going to vary wildly based on your region or cell/mobile services etc. It's going to improve and only get bigger as things move along.
I guess we're waiting still and it appears there are many areas unanswered from Sony's cloud strategy, especially globally. This could prove to be a major turning point outside of the usual UK/US markets for Xbox. There's a shrinking window for Sony IMO.
- 2012 - Sony buys Gaikai, we see nothing of it.
- 2019 - Sony does expression of interest with MS/Azure, we see nothing of it.
- 2023 - This article mentions Sony posting jobs with regards to AWS (Amazon cloud), we see nothing of it.
I was never expecting Sony to compete at the cloud provider level of AWS, MS/Azure, Google or Apple but by now I would have expected a lot more for their PS strategy in this regard. I do expect Sony to have a competent and well performing cloud solution. By comparison to Nintendo, Sony are moving faster and with purpose now. By comparison to Xbox/Azure, well there is no comparison. I do leave room for some unique features or performance gains from PS/Sony but overall the holistic approach is no where on the roadmap or gamers mindshare. Game Pass crosses so many devices, platforms, infrastructure, ecosystem, regions, privacy, security, technology compatibilities, cloud saves, cross play etc and has games bundled right in to play all sorts of genres and qualities right away. I'm really only seeing Sony rumours of a handheld tied to their cloud/remote play so far. xCloud has had a pretty great reception in terms of performance and actual customer experiences using it. It has been a smart play by Xbox bundling Game Pass and xCloud together with their Xbox platform and ecosystem expansion across console, PC and mobile.
Of course based on current day internetworking the service is going to vary wildly based on your region or cell/mobile services etc. It's going to improve and only get bigger as things move along.
I guess we're waiting still and it appears there are many areas unanswered from Sony's cloud strategy, especially globally. This could prove to be a major turning point outside of the usual UK/US markets for Xbox. There's a shrinking window for Sony IMO.
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They better fix remote play then as other half hates the ps5 controller so had always used an Xbox controller paired with phone using remote play and it worked brilliant.
Hadn't used it for a while and come back to it now and it's a nightmare on iOS at least
Connect to the ps5, ok.. Xbox controller hasn't connected to phone so go in and connect/pair it
Ps5 shows the ps remote app disconnected on the tv, yet go back into the app and click connect and can't connect as it says someone else is still remote playing it..
10-15 minutes later the lock clears
Hopefully it's just an app issue and they will sort it out, but having had it working perfectly and other half completed LOADS of games that way Inc GoW Ragnarok before it fell to pieces it's very annoying
Especially as I bought RE4 on ps5 this time - personally I prefer the ps5 controller but if they are going to push remote play and colloid more then they need to get their act together
As a side note I found the PlayStation cloud gaming to be MILES ahead of Xbox in terms of quality, responsiveness and generally enjoyment during my year of top tier psn membership that I got for my £50 access subscription. The tech they bought for that is vastly underrated and they should capitalise on it given they bought that company back in ps3 days I think?
but now that sun has lapsed and I've tried all that it had to offer I'm very over PSN membership again as I don't get much from it due to a solid library and backlog
Hadn't used it for a while and come back to it now and it's a nightmare on iOS at least
Connect to the ps5, ok.. Xbox controller hasn't connected to phone so go in and connect/pair it
Ps5 shows the ps remote app disconnected on the tv, yet go back into the app and click connect and can't connect as it says someone else is still remote playing it..
10-15 minutes later the lock clears
Hopefully it's just an app issue and they will sort it out, but having had it working perfectly and other half completed LOADS of games that way Inc GoW Ragnarok before it fell to pieces it's very annoying
Especially as I bought RE4 on ps5 this time - personally I prefer the ps5 controller but if they are going to push remote play and colloid more then they need to get their act together
As a side note I found the PlayStation cloud gaming to be MILES ahead of Xbox in terms of quality, responsiveness and generally enjoyment during my year of top tier psn membership that I got for my £50 access subscription. The tech they bought for that is vastly underrated and they should capitalise on it given they bought that company back in ps3 days I think?
but now that sun has lapsed and I've tried all that it had to offer I'm very over PSN membership again as I don't get much from it due to a solid library and backlog
ThatOneGrunt
Member
Everyone did forget because that service was forgetable.
bitbydeath
Member
Sony use AWS.
https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/sony-interactive-entertainment-gdc22-case-study/
The MS/Azure thing never took off.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Yeah corporates love a peak under the hood and a "sharing of ideas" camp.
ChorizoPicozo
Gold Member
bender
What time is it?
If Sony could push clouds, they'd control the weather. Imagine if they diverted all of the rain in China to Gabe's house. Rain everyday would put Gabe in a bad mood and eventually lead to a state of depression. People make bad decisions when they are depressed. Gabe suddenly decides to take Valve's fortunes and invest it in F2P mobile version of Ricochet that offers Gaben and The Cake Is A Lie NFTs. China's agriculture and Valve are decimated in one clever move by Sony.
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