Shmunter
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He is independent however. Others like Skillup and our own ACG can freely speak also.It will be interesting to see if Collin is the only industry commentator that is able to speak about this game honestly.
He is independent however. Others like Skillup and our own ACG can freely speak also.It will be interesting to see if Collin is the only industry commentator that is able to speak about this game honestly.
Except all games where it was, like whole genre of roguelikes, Spelunky, Left 4 Dead (AI director is form of procedural generation) and many more.This is the first time that procedural generation has been used to create tension in a game, rather than to try and make games large and with a lot of content.
If games media tanks the reviews due to politics and it comes out the game was nothing but a high brow affair, shit will come crashing down.We already know this game will fail...the sjw's have spoken. Including the lame ass giantbomb/beastcast. I thought I would enjoy it after gabby and sloth mouth ben pack left. But no..Jeff is there to take over.
I think the real issue is companies don't want anymore competition. If this is really well made, this could become a big hit. COD, Battlefield, and Rainbow 6 just don't want anymore competition, especially if it pushes things further in the war game genre. They might have to adapt their copy paste mechanics to meet possible demand for those features. So they'll use their "journalist" cronies to push the message about how immoral this is, and the snowflake SJWs will of course run with it, cause when have they met a moral outrage they didn't like.
I am completely uninterested in consuming a product that looks so ideologically aligned with US propaganda. Maybe it’s because I am not from the US, but it is simply jarring to me seeing these events portrayed in such a light when these war crimes have been condemned by pretty much every country outside of the US.I really don’t get this “it would be ok if it was a fictional war” take. Sounds very cowardly. You can’t handle media that touches on historic events? Unless they portray a specific viewpoint? That is quite totalitarian.
You're "honest criticism" is an emotional response to marketing and outrage. Emotional because there is no actual first hand knowledge of the game being taken into account. You have not even played the game yet. It is not an informed criticism. You are working off emotion, which is what marketing and media coverage is all about. It is just you jumping to conclusions.
Look it is fine if you want to do that, and keep repeating "war crimes" over and over like you already know how this game will present everything. I'm just pointing out the anti-intellectualism inherent in that take, which you seem to keep doubling down on, despite not having any more of a first-hand experience with the game.
The "cowardice" is you pre-judging a thing that you are ignorant of. That is intellectual cowardice. "I heard this book is crap and the marketing sucks so fuck this book" is not an intellectual approach to media.
You don't have to "consume it" unless you want to give an informed take. Until then you are literally talking about something don't have first hand knowledge of. The take you are giving is not informed. You are calling the game propaganda without even seeing it. I'm just calling that out for what it is.
Excuse my ignorance but what are the alleged war crimes here?I am completely uninterested in consuming a product that looks so ideologically aligned with US propaganda. Maybe it’s because I am not from the US, but it is simply jarring to me seeing these events portrayed in such a light when these war crimes have been condemned by pretty much every country outside of the US.
At worst, this is an attempt at historical revisionism, and at best the idea of empathising with the soldiers who took part in the events still sounds like propaganda to me.
At the cost of repeating myself, I’ll be happy to be proven wrong. If this turns to be anything like spec ops the line in a real events setting, I will have no criticism directed at this game. But so far the marketing seems to be suggesting the complete opposite.
I don’t understand where is the cowardice in not being interested in a product that doesn’t resonate with me. I’m not interested in cancelling the game, I’m just sharing my honest criticism. You guys enjoy what you like.
There is of course a lot of noise caused by the resetera idiots calling for the game to be cancelled or making petitions for Biden to ban the game.Excuse my ignorance but what are the alleged war crimes here?
Are they alleged or has there been trials or what? Not aware of how any of this works.
Is there any indication that the game will mention the war crimes or have content related to them?
It all seems a bit sketchy to me and I wonder how well educated critics of the game really are on the subject.
Like the petition to have Biden intervene and ban the game? Didn't Biden actually vote for the war though?
That's a strange place to be in, I think. Asking if the game should even be made just months after voting for the guy who was in favor of the war which is being depicted possible in the first place.
It's basically understood that the US/UK did use white phosphorusExcuse my ignorance but what are the alleged war crimes here?
Are they alleged or has there been trials or what? Not aware of how any of this works.
Is there any indication that the game will mention the war crimes or have content related to them?
It all seems a bit sketchy to me and I wonder how well educated critics of the game really are on the subject.
Like the petition to have Biden intervene and ban the game? Didn't Biden actually vote for the war though?
That's a strange place to be in, I think. Asking if the game should even be made just months after voting for the guy who was in favor of the war which is being depicted possible in the first place.
Like the cause of the war itself, another bit of context that won't appear in Six Days in Fallujah is the use of white phosphorous by US forces, long criticized as a war crime.
"So, players can not use... We're not asking players to commit atrocities in the game," he says. "Are we effectively sanitizing events by not doing that? I don't think that we need to portray the atrocities in order for people to understand the human cost. We can do that without the atrocities."
Weak, and non committed. Why not show the horror? Doesn’t need to be a gameplay element.So much bullshit about this game lol - noticw the way the eliipse the context of the quote out of the text and attach it to an image instead.....
Six Days in Fallujah dev: "I don't think we need to portray the atrocities"
"After things exploded in 2009, I effectively left the industry in 2011... [But] I felt an obligation to those [Marines…www.gamesindustry.biz
Just want to add, cause I have seen this. I haven't seen journalist call for its cancellation in articles, have seen them question its existence but those are two different things.Thanks. I am pretty sure COD Modern Warfare had this same controversy over white phosphorus in 2019 or 2020?
I wonder if it is just ramped up here because its not such a huge developer or publisher so there's a chance to get a "win" for activism.
I think if the game is pro-USA propaganda or military propaganda or whatever then that's obviously a valid criticism. However its a criticism for when the game comes out.
The whole gaming journalism industry is really a bit weird when it comes to stuff like this. Like they somehow see their role as gatekeepers or watchmen in some way.
This is what I got when I googled the Cod white phosphorus controversy.Just want to add, cause I have seen this. I haven't seen journalist call for its cancellation in articles, have seen them question its existence but those are two different things.
I think they are critical of the developers comments which is valid. Criticism of the game at this moment is pre-mature for sure.
And yes, no-one should be petitioning for its ban. Its weird that this came from the game devs.
Also the call of duty controversy I think was the game changed a US military event (I can't remember what exactly it was but it was negative as far as I can remember) to I think Russian. Someone can correct me.
Didn't know that one, this is the other one. https://www.polygon.com/2019/10/30/20938550/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-highway-of-death-controversyThis is what I got when I googled the Cod white phosphorus controversy.
"At level 51, players earn the ability to do what many consider to be a war crime: use White Phosphorus on enemies. This ability is unlocked after a 10-kill streak and allows you to melt the flesh of your enemies.". January 2020
That seems a lot more controversial to me actually.
Doesn't matter if they show it or not. The people wanting to shut down the game would be arguing against it, whatever the developers do.Weak, and non committed. Why not show the horror? Doesn’t need to be a gameplay element.
Didn't know that one, this is the other one. https://www.polygon.com/2019/10/30/20938550/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-highway-of-death-controversy
Why does she keep making up lies?!? Also where is the yellow cyberpunk chair?Lol, who believe this bs girl?
I'll buy it just make more people reeeeeeAs long as the "Fuck America" people are REEing I need to know what's in this game.
It honestly looks like Ready or Not - Gulf War edition. Which is pretty okay.