No joke, 500 bucks cellphones are mid tier now.Don't make me laugh...
People spend more than 1000 dollars (much more) for tvs and smartphones or notebooks and none of these things endure for 7-8 years, they are lucky if people keep these things for more than 3-4 years at best, i'm not wealthy and i still change my oled tv\pc\smartphone every 2-3 years.
If you consider gaming such a shitty type of entartainmnet compared to watching a movie or calling someone what are you doing in an enthusiast gaming forum?
Gamers are just cheap fucks nowadays, deal with it.
I guess we have to wait to see if sony is gonna port all of their games on pc or not, time will tell.If more or a majority of Playstation games are coming to PC in the future than this sure will play a role in the early stages of development for these games but i'm convinced it doesn't as of now.
I acknowledge Sony's interest in the PC market but again the games that have been released on PC for now are a fraction of the ones available. Let's be realistic.
I'm not against multi platform releases either in any way but i still believe it is a misconception to think every first party Sony game will come to PC.
I’m definitely aware of every point you made. But say Naughty dog, they will develop Uncharted 5 or whatever specifically for one piece of hardware, ps5. If / when it comes to PC, Nixxes will worry about making sure it works on lower spec pcs. ND focuses only on ps5 they don’t care if a 2500k or some other processor that’s several years old can handle it. They don’t care if a 1050 ti or 2060 can handle it. Nixxes will handle that and if the game works on older hardware, great. I’m sure it’ll look a lot different than NDs vision when they only cared about optimizing for one platform.Did you missed sony releasing their games on pc aswell, they literally bought a studio specialized in pc ports recently...
If M need to worry about 19227284273 different specs, it is the same for sony since both release their games on pc.
We are not in the timeline where first party console games are made with a single hardware in mind anymore my dude.
This !!!!Fascinating idea! The lower spec on the XSS makes it easier to produce. It would be nice to have more inventory for more people to game. The XSS is constantly being restocked and people mistakenly think that it is all launch units sitting on shelves.
This may be a situation where MS because of their broader focus on PC, mobile, cloud, and console needed a different SKU to have more vectors into their ecosystem. Sony simply doesn't have that reach. Their only vector is console and the only digital source for games is the PlayStation store.
MS also did more than just produce a cheaper console they also redid their development kit so all creators to make multiple versions of titles in one dev cycle. I don't think Sony would want to take that time to create the infrastructure to support that vision. The idea is interesting but I think it's best each company do what works for them. MS can do certain things Sony cannot and would not. If the MS direction really takes off others will follow just like achievements and standard wireless controllers.
It is for gamers and the next gen progress, but it’s becoming clearer that it’s evolving to be the main Xbox.No because the series s was a horrible mistake
Correct, but nixxes can't do miracles with every game so ND still has to have an eye of regard on some aspects of the engine or whatever part is difficult to work with in a future pc port, and if sony has nixxes, M has probably some internal studios that develop the pc version aswell.I’m definitely aware of every point you made. But say Naughty dog, they will develop Uncharted 5 or whatever specifically for one piece of hardware, ps5. If / when it comes to PC, Nixxes will worry about making sure it works on lower spec pcs. ND focuses only on ps5 they don’t care if a 2500k or some other processor that’s several years old can handle it. They don’t care if a 1050 ti or 2060 can handle it. Nixxes will handle that and if the game works on older hardware, great. I’m sure it’ll look a lot different than NDs vision when they only cared about optimizing for one platform.
You should rename yourself from DragonNCM to BudgieNCM, so many damn cheeps's in there.This !!!!
Good points there sir.
MS in terms of online infrastructure & vision for gaming are vast a head from Sony. BC games, cloud saves, cloud gaming, game pass cheep gaming for 15$ per month, good deals in MS store, and If they manage to put close fight this generation, next one will be a different story. Actually they fighting several fronts at once, slowly gaining positions what are important to sustain their online plan for cheep gaming for everyone & more subscriptions.
I want to see Sony also expanding on that front. After all, all gamers will benefit this.
Your argument seems to suggest that a lower cost console would mean greater supply since Series S is easier to come by than Series X. That's not the case, because cheaper parts doesn't necessarily mean you have access to more parts.i'm holding off for a Series X but as time goes on i'm more and more tempted to just grab the Series S. if I were a PS fan and were struggling to get a PS5 then right now I'd love if there was a £250 playstation console.
I know a few people now that have upgraded their original Xbox One with a Series S and they are thrilled with them.Sure, Sony should have released a retard version of the machine, just like the Series S. But you know what? You are stopping way too early, why not have one with only 4 CUs and 1 GB in RAM? It'd so soooo easy and cheap to produce and it'd be a next gen machine, just like the Series S, just for 720p.
Come on, being serious, the Series S is a stupid idea, always has been. It cut down on the number of Series X machines that can be produced and can only push out visuals at 1080p, while adding headaches to developers. It's a One X just with quality of life improvements and worse GPU in terms of performance, that's not next gen. The jump is very modest as it is and you want to jump back to something that is barely better than a PS4 Pro.
No they won’t. You keep forgetting pc specs are even lower.Microsoft is going to have a big issue with Series S in the future. They just did it to undercut Sony and say they have the cheaper next-gen console. It sucks that they didn't care about the games. You'll see that by the end of the generation, Sony's exclusives are going to be better in many ways ONLY because the Series S is going to get in the way.
With that said, why would Sony do that? The PS5 will sell-out for many years. The PS4 never got a real price cut and the PS5 sure will be the same. Why would Sony want to deal with specs segregation and limit the capacity of the games they are doing?
It's not like we console owners really get to decide how we use the power anyway. We get to flip a switch between performance and quality if we're lucky. All consoles are the retard version of a gaming machine, and I'm ok with that.
It's like people don't realize there is a PC marketplace that has tons of computers with varying specs. The XSS is just a lower speced version of the XSX just like RTX 3060 is a lower speced version of the RTX 3090. The existence of the RTX 3060 hasn't ruined PC gaming in the least. The XSS won't negatively affect console gaming either.I hate different versions of consoles so no and that includes pro, be it weaker or better. I want one version only so the devs can work only on one version of the game
This cross gen is horrible, no need to add some more
Yeah the near 50/50 sales split sure shows how desperate MS is and what a mistake having 2 SKUs was. I guess they became one of the biggest companies on the planet by accident. Surely GAF forum posters know best.Anything MS does Sony should keep doing the complete far opposite.
MS does these kinds of things out of desperation, not any kind of strategic market needs.
As we can see by now from the Series S sales.
At least that’s one thing Jim Lying Ryan didn’t lie about.
I don't care about the PC marketplace, when I boot the console I expect to play the best version of the game I bought, hence why I play on consoles in the first place.It's like people don't realize there is a PC marketplace that has tons of computers with varying specs. The XSS is just a lower speced version of the XSX just like RTX 3060 is a lower speced version of the RTX 3090. The existence of the RTX 3060 hasn't ruined PC gaming in the least. The XSS won't negatively affect console gaming either.
If you are willing to get a bundle or pay $200 over retail you can definitely get a Xbox Series X or PS5. I know this because I have a lot of friends who got their consoles doing that.we're well over a year into this generation and getting hold of a PS5 is still difficult. same goes for the Series X but the Series S is easy to get hold of.
Did you see the Elden Ring threads? People are losing their minds.Got any data around the average time to develop a game on pc vs console? using internal and external game engines? i wonder how you would remove pre-production work.
It's kinda like developing for PC, no?
Agree^We already have that, it's called ps4, until jimbo keeps going with this crappy crossgen shit you literally have a less powerful ps5 on your hands for all the major titles.
500 is already super fucking cheap for something that you are gonna use thousands of hours for 7-8 years.
The PS5 DE IS the cheaper PS5.
Should they have released a version with gimped hardware? Feck no!!!
Time will reveal why, when games start being targeted specifically to next-gen consoles and legacy platform targets get dropped.
it`s like people don`t realize that PC hardware has not been the game design deciding target platform for a good ~15 years now, which is why that analgoy is as pointless as it gets....It's like people don't realize there is a PC marketplace that has tons of computers with varying specs. The XSS is just a lower speced version of the XSX just like RTX 3060 is a lower speced version of the RTX 3090. The existence of the RTX 3060 hasn't ruined PC gaming in the least. The XSS won't negatively affect console gaming either.