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[Bernoulli]

Makes sense if the node improves efficiency there will be no need for Liquid Metal cooling, cheaper to make and lighter

According to recent court documents, this new PlayStation 5 model will release later this year for the price of the Digital Edition.


CFI-1300 Series

• 5nm APU

• No Liquid Metal

PlayStation 5 New Model to Sport 5nm APU, No Liquid Metal Cooling - Rumor

The rumored new PlayStation 5 model will sport a 5nm APU and no liquid metal cooling, according to rumors circulating online

wccftech.com

 

[Trogdor1123]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

 

[Imtjnotu]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

There might be. If using tsmc, their main production currently is 5nm. Using an older process may cost more or have less in production.

 

[Bernoulli]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

The cost should go down
When they switched to 6nm i remember it was because it was cheaper

 

[Skifi28]

At this rate of leaks, people will be able to buy the slim before Sony officially announces it.

 

[Del_X]

Will it have a Disc Drive?

The 1tb Series S does not look like a good deal at all relative to this either way.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Average power consumption of a slim would be 140ish watts based on 5nm efficiency gains over 7nm. Explains why they're likely ditching the liquid metal cooling.

 

[Gudji]

T1000 not needed.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Will it have a Disc Drive?

The 1tb Series S does not look like a good deal at all relative to this either way.

I'm sure it's no disk drive at $400 and then the attachable drive will be $100.

Maybe the drive can be a little less than that, effectively lowering the price of the non-digital PS5, we'll see.

 

[mystech]

Will it have a Disc Drive?

The 1tb Series S does not look like a good deal at all relative to this either way.

If rumors are correct, Sony will offer a detachable discs drive.

 

[delfrickintree]

Can I attach the removable disc drive to a an already-disc system and have a backup game in queue, kind of like external storage?

 

[Bernoulli]

Can I attach the removable disc drive to a an already-disc system and have a backup game in queue, kind of like external storage?

Yes you can launch two games at the same time

 

[Neilg]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

If they shrank it too early in manufacturing ability, the cost would go up, like if they decided to make the new ps5's use 3nm. but that would be a total waste - home consoles only shrink once the price/reliability makes for significant cost savings.

 

[lmimmfn]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

The cost per chip is based on the process maturity(the more mature the process the less chips with issues) and the chip size which determines how many chips you can get per wafer(the smaller the node size the more chips can be produced). Sony already disables some of the gpu side to reduce the number of unusable chips.

The 5nm process is very mature at this stage, probably 90+% of chips meet QA, so this should reduce the cost per chip in general for Sony

 

[HelveticaBold]

Id like full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 so I can get 4:4:4 @ 120Hz.

 

[XesqueVara]

There might be. If using tsmc, their main production currently is 5nm. Using an older process may cost more or have less in production.

Newer nodes still cost more, Since moore death with 7nm and onwards every Node Shrink will increase the cost per xtor.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I am happy with the 1215 I have. It's dead quite even in the hardest games like final fantasy 16. Can't hear shit even if I am dead close.

It will be interesting to see how much noiser a smaller ps5 fan will be.

 

[Fake]

Will it have a Disc Drive?

There is a rumor that will come with desatached disc drive, with John from DF said would kill physical media.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Newer nodes still cost more, Since moore death with 7nm and onwards every Node Shrink will increase the cost per xtor.

But it's cheaper to buy the most common than an out of date node.

Tsmc's most readily used node is 5nm which is easiest for them to produce.

3nm is their current expensive node

 

[Neo_game]

Is this real ? How come Tom doesn't know about this ?

 

[Bernardougf]

Will it have a Disc Drive?

The 1tb Series S does not look like a good deal at all relative to this either way.

It never was.. thats why they dont sell much.. worst idea ever and they are going to ride this anchor of a console to the sunset

 

[Horseganador]

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

just slap out the slim and pro already

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

Wafer costs go up but the number of chips per wafer increase too, so overall costs go down (potentially marginally). But the power consumption and thus heat dissipation reduces drastically, which reduces the cost of the cooling solution and thus the overall cost and complexity of the console. This impacts assembly costs and lower weight and smaller size lower shipping and handling and inventory costs too. So has a major overall downward impact on cost.

 

[StereoVsn]

Can I attach the removable disc drive to a an already-disc system and have a backup game in queue, kind of like external storage?

Let's kick it up a notch and have an option of 8 disk version either carousel or cassette style like those CD and DVD multi disk players!

 

[Onironauta]

It never was.. thats why they dont sell much.. worst idea ever and they are going to ride this anchor of a console to the sunset

Lol it sold more than Series X. Gaming enthusiasts really struggle to accept that the average gamer cares way more about games than technical specs.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

 

[EverydayBeast]

Consoles always get trimmed down, there’s no question Sony has a slim, or pro or both versions of the ps5 in the works.

 

[deriks]

Consoles always get trimmed down, there’s no question Sony has a slim, or pro or both versions of the ps5 in the works.

There's no question that will have that, but how the thing will be still is to be answered. A no liquid metal means a whole different set of hardware, so there's a chance that is a jump like PS1/PS2 to PSOne/PS2 Slim rather than PS4 to PS4 Slim. We hope for the bigger change, and less noise

 

[Tarin02543]

i hear switch 2 orin soc will be 8 nm, why not 5?

 

[XesqueVara]

But it's cheaper to buy the most common than an out of date node.

Tsmc's most readily used node is 5nm which is easiest for them to produce.

3nm is their current expensive node

7nm isn't going anywhere for a long time, and even if 5nm is more common it don't means it's cheaper tho.

 

[Bernardougf]

Lol it sold more than Series X. Gaming enthusiasts really struggle to accept that the average gamer cares way more about games than technical specs.

Couldn't imagine a more simplistic and brain dead take from this whole series consoles situation ... congratulations .

 

[coffinbirth]

Couldn't imagine a more simplistic and brain dead take from this whole series consoles situation ... congratulations .

 

[MarkMe2525]

NO LIQUID METAL!!!?

 

[Badlucktroll]

Liquid…..Metal……GEAR!?!?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

If true, this will make me consider "upgrading" to the new model. My model is close to 3 years old. I'm worried about liquid metal degredation.

Or should I be?

 

[mckmas8808]

Is this real ? How come Tom doesn't know about this ?

Tom has been reporting on this for a year.

 

[mckmas8808]

So this is how they will reach 25 million PS5s sold this Fiscal Year.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The cost should go down
When they switched to 6nm i remember it was because it was cheaper

Design cost goes up, manufacturing costs go down partially offset by higher wafer costs I think.

 

[X-Wing]

Imagine PlayStation 5 Silm launching at 399 USD competing against the Xbox Series S at... 359 USD.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Imagine PlayStation 5 Silm launching at 399 USD competing against the Xbox Series S at... 359 USD.

I mean that's already the comparison with the PS5 digital.

The best value in gaming.

(bro I meant the PS5 DE lol mckmas8808 don't laugh!)

 

[X-Wing]

I mean that's already the comparison with the PS5 digital.

The best value in gaming.

Yes, but PlayStation 5 Digital hasn't been the big seller, it's the standard edition. If the rumors are true and the slim only releases as digital only and replaces the original models... well.. you see where I'm going.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yes, but PlayStation 5 Digital hasn't been the big seller, it's the standard edition. If the rumors are true and the slim only releases as digital only and replaces the original models... well.. you see where I'm going.

I imagine that's shifting quite a bit since DE's are actually out there in the wild.

But yeah, Sony didn't produce as many for a while, likely because it was a loss leader. I imagine by now, it's not.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Yes, but PlayStation 5 Digital hasn't been the big seller, it's the standard edition. If the rumors are true and the slim only releases as digital only and replaces the original models... well.. you see where I'm going.

Mainly because they don't produce as many of them as they do the standard model.

 

[Neo_game]

Tom has been reporting on this for a year.

I thought he only talked about the disc less PS5 this year nothing about 5nm PS5 Slim

 

[marquimvfs]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

The price per wafer is bigger, but there's more chips per wafer. There's also other agreements that can make the price go up or down, like if you're willing to pay for deffective dies or not. (It's a thing on consumer CPUs, defective dies can have the defective part disabled and be sold as a weaker chip, for example). Also, some nodes are cheaper just because they're the main mass product from a factory.

 

[Roman Empire]

Liquid…..Metal……GEAR!?!?

SNAKEEEEEE.....

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Does the cost per chip go up with node shrinks? Or is that a wafer thing? I’m wondering if any actual cost savings will be realized in the short term or just in the long

No... and yes.

The cost per wafer goes up with node shrink. But then you can get more chips from the same sized wafer so the overall cost per chip goes down. You are fucked though if using the same-sized chip on the new node.

So, Say PS5 @320mm2/chip nets you around 100 chips on a 7nm wafer @ $13,000/wafer. So thats $130/chip. PS5s on a 5nm node, would be like 200mm2/chip and you get like say 170 chips per wafer @ $17,000/wafer. Now your chip cost you $100 each.

It doesn't end there though, the cost savings spread out, you are now going to spend less on a PSU, cooling, casing, and even shipping.

 

[onnextflix5]

Nice, hopefully no more coil whine

If true, this will make me consider "upgrading" to the new model. My model is close to 3 years old. I'm worried about liquid metal degredation.

Or should I be?

No one knows, but it’s really not that hard to put some new Liquid Metal if needed.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Nice, hopefully no more coil whine


No one knows, but it’s really not that hard to put some new Liquid Metal if needed.

Naw, otherthan the fact that is done incorrectly can completely short out your hardware, but yeah not that hard....