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[Hudo]

Add this to the OP:

$400 million for a two-part finale.

Holy shit @ releasing one game as two parts + multiplayer for $50 each.

I get StarCraft 2 flashbacks...

 

[Topher]

PC ports making more and more sense now.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Holy shit @ releasing one game as two parts + multiplayer for $50 each.

I get StarCraft 2 flashbacks...

So if a gamer wants to play SM3 SP and MP, it's $100 US.

Something doesn't look right with the $50 each. You;d think it might be $70 SP and $30 MP tacked on.

 

[MHubert]

Sony ‘game costs are ballooning out of control, so we have to charge more to the consumer’

Also Sony: agreeing to deals like this.

You think it was a bad investment?

 

[Hudo]

You;d think it might be $70 SP and $30 MP tacked on.

Yeah, this is what I expected at well. Weird pricing.

 

[deriks]

Spiderman 3 is on the road of GAAS

and some people cheers about this shit

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Spiderman 3 is on the road of GAAS

and some people cheers about this shit

It even accelerates beyond SM3.

The charts show Xmen Online comes out a year before Xmen SP.

 

[Fake]

Spiderman 3 is on the road of GAAS

and some people cheers about this shit

Yeah... the state of this is depressing.

 

[leizzra]

Do we assume games are a lot cheaper to make in Eastern Europe

They are. Even when you hire a western developer he is earning more by default (an many times do less which pisses of the staff). So yeah, projects in countries like Poland are cheaper to make.

 

[Saber]

Heavy load of budgets. At least people won't be praising 1 million sales as if it didn't cost nothing.
Can't wait to see how much costs for Cuckman to make his games. Probably the biggest waster of Sony.

 

[tusharngf]

400 million dollars means the game needs to be a hit on every available platform including mobile if possible to recoup the money they have invested. These budgets are even bigger than avatar and avengers movies.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

They are. Even when you hire a western developer he is earning more by default (an many times do less which pisses of the staff). So yeah, projects in countries like Poland are cheaper to make.

Yup thought that was the case.

Then in the East in places like Japan you have lower salaries, compared to North America and now a lot of outsourcing to other East Asian and South Asian countries. Japanese games will also emphasise less on the visuals and more on the gameplay which probably cuts costs.

 

[Hypereides]

Spiderman 3 is on the road of GAAS

and some people cheers about this shit

Its unfathomable. You have to be mindless or a legit astroturfer to prop it up as something good.

 

[The artful mincer]

These numbers not adding up to anyone else

E.g. Miles Morales 10.2 million units revenue 260 million. That would be at an average price of 25 dollars it would surely be higher than that?

Edit. Yeah the Spider Man remastered seem especially suspect 50 million revenue at 4 million units. That's 12 dollars a unit it currently 30 British pounds TODAY!

 

[Banjo64]

You think it was a bad investment?

Yeah I do. This isn’t high risk high reward for Sony. It’s high risk medium reward.

Risk of key staff moving on when they don’t have autonomy on their work.

 

[DenchDeckard]

$500M+

am I getting mixed up or are you posting this lie in multiple threads?

 

[Thirty7ven]

Oh no so worried about game budgets

Who gives a shit, good! Spend all that money. Otherwise taking 30% cut from third parties + subs would be feeding what exactly? Trash?

I want high budget games.

 

[Fake]

Is so pathetic that they ignore the base Marvel Spider-Man sales in favor of the others. Is really looks like an act of bad faith.

Of course the remaster sell lower than the base game.

 

[The artful mincer]

I'am sorry so much about this slide is Bullshit or missing information/data that's it's impossible to take seriously.

Spiderman 2 LTD 10.5 million? Fuck off it will hit that in January. 10.5 million at 70 dollars is over 700 million dollars.

This really came from the Insomniac leaks? It feels like some BS an intern would slap together in 5 minutes

 

[The artful mincer]

Is so pathetic that they ignore the base Marvel Spider-Man sales in favor of the others. Is really looks like an act of bad faith.

Of course the remaster sell lower than the base game.

Now that you mention it that feels weird.

There's a bunch of fishy stuff that I've mentioned already but the Spider-Man 2 LTD is the biggest red flag. That game doing 20 plus million guaranteed.

 

[Punished Miku]

This exceeds anything anyone would have predicted for Spider Man 2's budget by a lot. It's a direct sequel, a short to moderate length game, no multiplayer. Seems wildly expensive and honestly hard to believe.

 

[Slothbeing1209]

Very weird numbers here. They are expecting Spiderman 2 to barely sell more than Miles Morales? They expect Wolverine to sell basically the same as Spiderman 2? Lol.

That is numbers to break-even the dev + marketing cost. Not their expected numbers.

 

[PropellerEar]

am I getting mixed up or are you posting this lie in multiple threads?

You're mixed up, you are quoting me cross threads.

This is single post I've made about it.

Bring more than Resetera lies if you want to claim something as lies.

 

[The artful mincer]

This exceeds anything anyone would have predicted for Spider Man 2's budget by a lot. It's a direct sequel, a short to moderate length game, no multiplayer. Seems wildly expensive and honestly hard to believe.

So much about this data is fishy that's it's making me question everything about it.

 

[Mowcno]

That is numbers to break-even the dev + marketing cost. Not their expected numbers.

But they also have estimated profit?

 

[The artful mincer]

That is numbers to break-even the dev + marketing cost. Not their expected numbers.

How? All the profits numbers are different.

 

[Slothbeing1209]

How? All the profits numbers are different.

But they also have estimated profit?

I thought you guys said about the last one numbers? The " break-even" one?

 

[Mowcno]

I thought you guys said about the last one numbers? The " break-even" one?

Oh, I was talking about the top sales estimations. 10.5m for spiderman 2 seems like a huge lowball when the original sold 20m on PS4 alone in 2 years.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Wait what, they are planning to release Spiderman 3 in two parts? Not sure if this will work with only a year separating them and people already complaining that Spidy 2 was shorter than 1 and that some plots felt rushed.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Does anyone know if these numbers include the marketing budget? That could potentially be $100+ mil per game as well.

 

[Mowcno]

Wait what, they are planning to release Spiderman 3 in two parts? Not sure if this will work with only a year separating them and people already complaining that Spidy 2 was shorter than 1 and that some plots felt rushed.

It looks like they were deciding between whether to make it one game or multiple titles. Judging by the calculations it seems they think a single title makes more financial sense. 30% return on investment for multiple titles vs 50% return on investment for the single title. They are projecting slightly more profit for multiple titles but a much higher investment.

Single Title: $300m cost, $160-180m profit
Multiple Titles: $480m cost, $188-209m profit

Considering multiple titles takes more time and that development could be spent on a different more profitable venture I'd be very surprised if they go the multiple titles route assuming they continue to believe their financial projections of these two options are correct.

 

[The artful mincer]

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT this slide is pure fucking BULLSHIT!

There's a slide a from fucking Sony linked here that shows that Spider-Man remastered generated 52 million in revenue from 1.5 million units JUST from the PC version.

Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered PC Sales Cross 1.5 Million, The Last of Us Part 1 Sells 368,000

Insomniac's remaster generated $52 million in revenue, while Naughty Dog's remake earned $15.5 million since releasing on PC.

gamingbolt.com

I dunno about the other leaks but stop taking the information here at face value. If you haven't worked out yet its BULLSHIT!

 

[DenchDeckard]

You're mixed up, you are quoting me cross threads.

This is single post I've made about it.

Bring more than Resetera lies if you want to claim something as lies.

So I will ask, you believe the $500 million budget for halo infinite, which was claimed by a random german podcast, when the creative director of 343i debunked it?

 

[PropellerEar]

So I will ask, you believe the $500 million budget for halo infinite, which was claimed by a random german podcast, when the creative director of 343i debunked it?

Bring something else than shithole posts to prove that 343i has debunked it.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT this slide is pure fucking BULLSHIT!

There's a slide a from fucking Sony linked here that shows that Spider-Man remastered generated 52 million in revenue from 1.5 million units JUST from the PC version.

Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered PC Sales Cross 1.5 Million, The Last of Us Part 1 Sells 368,000

Insomniac's remaster generated $52 million in revenue, while Naughty Dog's remake earned $15.5 million since releasing on PC.

gamingbolt.com

I dunno about the other leaks but stop taking the information here at face value. If you haven't worked out yet its BULLSHIT!

Gross revenue on that link vs net revenue reported by Insomniac?

 

[DR3AM]

Wow I would have guessed the profits would be much much bigger. These numbers are not sustainable. No wonder why Sony is pushing live services games.

 

[Spyxos]

Wow, we are over 300 million per game. With the sums involved, one flop can kill the whole studio.

 

[Lumpyoatmeal]

This exceeds anything anyone would have predicted for Spider Man 2's budget by a lot. It's a direct sequel, a short to moderate length game, no multiplayer. Seems wildly expensive and honestly hard to believe.

When GTA 6 releases next year the bar for AAA titles is now going to be at 2 billion dollars, it’s not unthinkable.

After the year 2025 publishers are going to have to put up super serious money to compete with GTA 6.

 

[Mowcno]

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT this slide is pure fucking BULLSHIT!

There's a slide a from fucking Sony linked here that shows that Spider-Man remastered generated 52 million in revenue from 1.5 million units JUST from the PC version.

Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered PC Sales Cross 1.5 Million, The Last of Us Part 1 Sells 368,000

Insomniac's remaster generated $52 million in revenue, while Naughty Dog's remake earned $15.5 million since releasing on PC.

gamingbolt.com

I dunno about the other leaks but stop taking the information here at face value. If you haven't worked out yet its BULLSHIT!

Hmmm yes these numbers from Sony do throw the accuracy of the numbers in the OP into serious question. https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/business_segment_meeting/pdf/2023/GNS.pdf (page 25)

It's worth noting the Spiderman figures seem to be a forecast, but even so. They estimate 1.5m PC sales and $52m in revenue. Numbers in the OP have over triple the sales for it on all platforms but less revenue.

Do we have any idea when this slide in the OP was made?

 

[Godot25]

And people wonder why AAA game industry is fucked when bloody Spider-Man remaster costs 40 million $ to make.

 

[Punished Miku]

When GTA 6 releases next year the bar for AAA titles is now going to be at 2 billion dollars, it’s not unthinkable.

GTA6 isn't even a AAA game. If Spider Man 2 is something like AAA, then The Last of Us 2 and Red Dead 2 are AAAA. GTA6 sounds like it may legitimately be AAAAA. Not even kidding. These letters signify tiers of budget, and they're on a different level.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Faust would appreciate it if you could add a rumour tag to the thread title. Thanks.

 

[Bernoulli]

Games are so expensive now and the more you push the graphics the more you lose
AI can help make some savings

 

[Lumpyoatmeal]

GTA6 isn't even a AAA game. If Spider Man 2 is something like AAA, then The Last of Us 2 and Red Dead 2 are AAAA. GTA6 sounds like it may legitimately be AAAAA. Not even kidding. These letters signify tiers of budget, and they're on a different level.

Lol, after GTA 6 comes out the standards are going to be insane in order to sell your titles, man.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Hmmm yes these numbers from Sony do throw the accuracy of the numbers in the OP into serious question. https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/business_segment_meeting/pdf/2023/GNS.pdf (page 25)

It's worth noting the Spiderman figures seem to be a forecast, but even so. They estimate 1.5m PC sales and $52m in revenue. Numbers in the OP have over triple the sales for it on all platforms but less revenue.

Do we have any idea when this slide in the OP was made?

If we assume everything in the slide is a forecast, then the budget data is more likely to be roughly accurate over the revenue (we have no idea if revenue forecast is gross vs net, but would guess it's the latter).

 

[The artful mincer]

Hmmm yes these numbers from Sony do throw the accuracy of the numbers in the OP into serious question. https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/business_segment_meeting/pdf/2023/GNS.pdf (page 25)

It's worth noting the Spiderman figures seem to be a forecast, but even so. They estimate 1.5m PC sales and $52m in revenue. Numbers in the OP have over triple the sales for it on all platforms but less revenue.

Do we have any idea when this slide in the OP was made?

Either these numbers are wrong or missing vital information to able to make sense.

It's not just one thing there's so many red flags.

Rachet sold 1.1 million in a month. Really it only sold another million in two years?

 

[diffusionx]

Really glad to see these numbers start coming out more so people can see that games don’t cost $50 million to make anymore (they stopped costing that in the PS3 era actually). A game like Spider-Man 2 with top tier production values is more expensive than a movie (and they look better too, modern CGI is ass). But this is also crazy and very few devs and publishers are capable of bringing a project like this forward. Sony, Rockstar, and…? Not even Ubi or EA anymore. Not Microsoft. It looks like Activision-Blizzard can’t sustain this COD process anymore.

Either these numbers are wrong or missing vital information to able to make sense.

It's not just one thing there's so many red flags.

Rachet sold 1.1 million in a month. Really it only sold another million in two years?

Ratchet wasn’t that good and died really quickly.

 

[The artful mincer]

Gross revenue on that link vs net revenue reported by Insomniac?

What would be the main difference in selling a game?

 

[Mowcno]

Either these numbers are wrong or missing vital information to able to make sense.

It's not just one thing there's so many red flags.

Rachet sold 1.1 million in a month. Really it only sold another million in two years?

Yes I'm starting to think that the first slide is very old, with just estimates. It could even be from before Miles Morales was released. In this revenue slide the games are in release order but have Wolverine after Spider-Man 3. The Spider-Man remastered revenue makes no sense compared to Sony's forecasts and the Spider-Man 2 sales estimate is very low. Pretty much all of these numbers are questionable.

Without more information such as when that specific slide was created I'm not going to trust the figures listed there as concrete evidence of anything. It could very well have been created in 2020 or before just estimating future Insomniac titles.

 

[MaulerX]

Does Sony even make money on the mainline Spiderman games? These production budgets are astronomical. Combine that with the leak that Disney takes a HUGE amount of money in royalties per copies sold (including a whooping 50% cut on hardware bundles) it's clear to see why their margins are so low.