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JJ, despite making a copy, at least set the story. Rian "the cunt" Johnson threw all of that out the window and decided to fuck making part 2 of a trilogy and made space balls 2 instead.
He's a cunt.
JJ, despite making a copy, at least set the story. Rian "the cunt" Johnson threw all of that out the window and decided to fuck making part 2 of a trilogy and made space balls 2 instead.
He's a cunt.
What they should ahve done generally and Im not even sure it was done for 4/5/6 because they had different directors as well, is sit down and come up with a cohesive story that can branch all 3 movies and even tie in the rest of the trilogy. JJ went off on his own to do his own thing same with Rian and then JJ again. It was a colossal fuck up on everyones part and not just one person or director.that fucking ego lol
however, with that being said, looking at the recent trilogy, especially after RoS, he's not the source of the problem. Yeah, he fucked up and deviated big time, but he shouldn't be allowed to do so in the first place. The root of the problem is up top at Disney where KK had no fucking what they are doing, thus allowing this mess to happen in the first place.
the original films had a changing story but George was always figuring out places for it to go. there were like 4 rough drafts before the first version of the first film. he had a good 4 years of writing and rewriting the story over and over in different ways. he had prequel ideas, "padawan learner", Luke as a girl, Luke as an old hermit, Han as an alien, ROTJ's Ewok planet battle (with Wookies), tons of ideas all before even starting to shoot the first movie.Im not even sure it was done for 4/5/6 because they had different directors as well
Lets not forget the important fact that editing also shaped how ep 4 turned out because originally it was a disaster. I feel its not a compliment to George if he planned alot of the movies and scenerios and still the prequels turned out how they were.the original films had a changing story but George was always figuring out places for it to go. there were like 4 rough drafts before the first version of the first film. he had a good 4 years of writing and rewriting the story over and over in different ways. he had prequel ideas, "padawan learner", Luke as a girl, Luke as an old hermit, Han as an alien, ROTJ's Ewok planet battle (with Wookies), tons of ideas all before even starting to shoot the first movie.
you see a lot of "It was always made up!" takes and they push a false narrative that George was just winging it the entire time. that's not true. yes the story changed and altered but he was always working on new ideas. this is why he pushed the idea of a 6/9/12 film franchise as early as 1979. Lucas was always thinking ahead.
Rian apparently wasn't think ahead at all. at least JJ tried to come up with some new characters and mysteries. not a single thing in Last Jedi is a jumping off point that makes me want to know more.
What they should ahve done generally and Im not even sure it was done for 4/5/6 because they had different directors as well, is sit down and come up with a cohesive story that can branch all 3 movies and even tie in the rest of the trilogy. JJ went off on his own to do his own thing same with Rian and then JJ again. It was a colossal fuck up on everyones part and not just one person or director.
the cliffhanger which was a big one should have been the rise of Kylo with the death of Snoke, but JJ dropped the ball on that one for a guy who had to clone himself because he couldnt even lay pipe properly for being a sith overlord.No doubt. But the dude still took a big pile of shit, threw out the plot, character building, as well as world building in the middle movie. Leaving it with zero cliffhanger or anyone giving a fuck direction. Straight shat on the Space Hefner.
That's bull.
TFA made incredible money for Disney and most people loved it, even though people were a bit disappointed about the rehashed stuff. After 10 years of prequels bashing it's not surprising they went that route, though.
TLJ on the other side completely burned down the franchise.
It literally ended all of those story threads that were started in TFA, because he just DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT about Star Wars.
He just wanted to do his little auteur thing, and people like you think they get snowflake points for being contrarian about it.
Here is your internet cookie.
Yeah, butTFA was garbage and what made Disney money was Star Wars. It’s a lucrative property being handled by the people who stumbled on the Marvel formula and think they can export that infinitely.
"Subverting expectations."it is funny how he keeps leaning on "the story" as if he's telling this amazing tale. every plot in TLJ was trash, not just stupidly concieved, but actively undermined by his own subversive tendencies. from the space traffic jam to the exposition heavy casino planet Ducktales episode to the ending. it's like each time something got going, he had to put a twist on it, undermining all the momentum.
the end of the movie was so insanely underwhelming to me. they are trapped in a cave. there's no way out! there are AT-ATs attacking, so they fly ships straight at them... to do something... (they didn't seem to have any affect on anything they were there to make the red lines for the movie poster). then Finn flies a ship, doing what everyone else was just doing, only now it's BAD, he's an idiot for doing it! then Luke shows up to distract the bad guys while the good guys... escape from the unescapable cave? then he dies. then someone realizes oh they can actually leave the cave after all, nevermind! the previous 20 minutes didn't actually need to happen!
it's the kind of low stakes plot you would find in an episode of the Andy Griffith show. an intergalactic space military being unable to find their way out of a cave that is covered with some boulders.... lol.... THIS was the climax of the film??? hahaha
lol.... No.he made the best of the new trilogy, set your hate towards JJ
Holdo.not gonna hate JJ, he gave us many new characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, Maz, Kylo Ren, BB-8, Snoke, etc. he invented all these characters! that's not bad. granted he is a hack but at least these are new characters.
Rian gave us, what, Rose, Holdo, DJ? lol
He gave us a star wars movie that was interesting and I was intrigued what would happen next. The best action sequences of the sequels. Just bangers. Rose is shit fer sure tho.not gonna hate JJ, he gave us many new characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, Maz, Kylo Ren, BB-8, Snoke, etc. he invented all these characters! that's not bad. granted he is a hack but at least these are new characters.
Rian gave us, what, Rose, Holdo, DJ? lol
Nahh, Johnson deserves to catch some flak as well. He signed up to make the 8th movie, he knew what that meant and should've had the professionality to make a movie that respects the franchise. Of course Disney is retarded for hiring the wrong man, but Johnson could've actually tried to make something good instead of fucking around, pretending he doesn't know what's being expected of him and what the people want out of a SW sequel. Fuck him.So going middle ground here the SW trilogy deserves tons of hate, but I don't think Rian Johnson is responsible for any of it, he just got paid to make a movie about a universe he clearly didn't care much about which points to Disney being idiotic.
I personally don’t like TLJ because it left the trilogy with no where to go. It is small film that is supposed to be about a huge war between republic and FO. In all of space we are supposed to believe there are like 400 rebels? Really?Or, you know, hope, optimism, the power of legends/hero myths, the difference between legend and reality, the influence of lost loved ones, that no one is perfectly evil or virtuous, among many other themes the story touches on.
As usual, people who hate on this movie act like obnoxious 10 year olds. Doesn’t really make it seem like you understand the film, or even want to. People hate on TLJ because it upset their hero myth about Luke Skywalker. People literally have revisionist history that Luke in the OT was perfectly virtuous and never faltered. When really he has many moments of struggle and doubt. Another reason why the movie is so smart.
it sucks because i love Laura Dern. she rules in Jurassic Park. she rules in Inland Empire. it's just the material. the character has no consistency. Rian wants her to be this tough as nails military commander, yet she allows Poe back onto her deck time and time again, even after chewing him out. then the scene immediately following her mutiny has her gawking over him like a schoolgirl and saying "I like him". if he wanted to do a story about a strong woman in a position of power, she could have been good at her job, which Holdo is not. Holdo made no sense. for a while i thought she was a spy, that she was this bad on purpose, that this is why she was being so secretive and letting so many people die without doing anything, and why DJ's whole "both sides" stuff was bought into the story. turns out, nope, subverted! she was good all along. all that stuff was just there in the movie for unconnected reasons, i guess.Holdo.
Fucking Holdo.
He managed to give us a character worse than Jar Jar Binks.
It's fucking space Brianna Wu in a nightgown.
Ackbat got blown into space for this.
What a shitshow.
Yeah it's definitely not the fault of the actress.it sucks because i love Laura Dern. she rules in Jurassic Park. she rules in Inland Empire. it's just the material. the character has no consistency. Rian wants her to be this tough as nails military commander, yet she allows Poe back onto her deck time and time again, even after chewing him out. then the scene immediately following her mutiny has her gawking over him like a schoolgirl and saying "I like him". she made no sense. for a while i thought she was a spy, that this is why she was being so secretive and letting so many people die without doing anything, and why DJ's whole "both sides" stuff was bought into the story. turns out, nope, subverted! she was good all along. all that stuff was just there in the movie for unconnected reasons, i guess.
why didn't she tell anyone the plan, when we have scene after scene in the other movies of commanders telling everyone the plan? subversion. they did it THIS way before, so he'll do it THAT way now. the problem with that kind of storytelling is, you are still basing it on the previous story. it is not new, this is why i do not like it. it is deconstructive and structuralist, it is just mixing up previous elements, it is interesting as formalism. but as a fun, inspiring, hopeful popcorn space film? it doesn't do the job.
Rose was a character born out of necessity, because Rian was unable to write for Poe-Finn. this is highly ironic, the idea that Rian was unable to write a buddy adventure between the two heroes, who most of the world was waiting to see. "I want to see Poe/Finn in a buddy comedy adventure" was the most requested thing coming out of TFA from many fans. yet Rian was unable to deliver. for some reason he was unable to come up with a decent story for two of the three main heroes to go on. there are three main heroes in the trilogy, and the director does not know what to do with two of them. that is fucking insane. why did KK hire this person to write the movie?
so Finn went off with Rose and Poe went off with Holdo. newly invented, irrationally behaving women who abuse these men mentally and physically, and constantly scold them, and actively prevent them from going on any space adventures. no wonder people did not like these characters.
He directed what was the only bad episode of Breaking Bad, a practically perfect series.I hated rain Johnson before star wars
.....its posts like this that confirm you just have a hate boner for him. Johnson directed three episodes of Breaking Bad throughout the show's run: “Fly” (season three, episode 10); “Fifty-One” (season four, episode five); and “Ozymandias” (season five, episode 14).He directed what was the only bad episode of Breaking Bad, a practically perfect series.
That should tell you everything right there.
I heard Knives Out is good.i liked "Fly". it is the only thing i saw of his.
of course, it took place in a single room for the entire episode. also he did not even write it.
i'm sure he's capable of good stuff. he just wasn't the right fit for this, and his SW film is legit garbage work.
I hated that episode long before I even knew who he was and even before they released Force Awakens, but whatever you say champ......its posts like this that confirm you just have a hate boner for him. Johnson directed three episodes of Breaking Bad throughout the show's run: “Fly” (season three, episode 10); “Fifty-One” (season four, episode five); and “Ozymandias” (season five, episode 14).
Ozymandias is regarded as one of if not thee best episode of the breaking bad out of all its seasons.
Go home, your drunk.
The funny thing is everyone likes to blame Rian, however the problems especislly with the films started with JJ and ended with JJ. People thought JJ was the second coming for the star wars moviesI heard Knives Out is good.
Whatever the case he royally ass fucked Star Wars to the point they could not even fix it even though JJ tried hard to appeal to fans.
At this point I just wish Disney would "canonize" the really good EU stuff like KOTOR. And by that I don't mean make a KOTOR movie but just put a virtual stamp on the good ending version of KOTOR or something but I know that's asking for waaaaaaay too much.
So, uh, have you played Star Wars Otherspace....?
You hated Ozymandias....its regarded as one of thee most riveting episodes in television in the past decade. What did you actually hate about it?I hated that episode long before I even knew who he was and even before they released Force Awakens, but whatever you say champ.
It was "Fly" I hated.You hated Ozymandias....its regarded as one of thee most riveting episodes in television in the past decade. What did you actually hate about it?
I think if you think that was the worst ep of breaking bad to revisit the series. Sure its great but nostalgia is a hell of a drug.It was "Fly" I hated.
What exactly was thrown out the window? The story was trash in the TFA where literally if that movie didnt happen you wouldnt miss anything, TFA is the definition of filler. Also JJ just didnt make a copy of a movie, he also made probably one of the worst endings and rushed movies in recent memory when it comes to ending a saga as long as star wars. If you think TLJ was a mess then wtf was TROS?
Random question but can someone officially clarify if it’s ROS or TROS
Wasn’t it just Rise of Skywalker in all the trailers (no ‘The’)?
Not a big deal or anything, just something I notice a disagreement here and there
Is this how far TLJ defenders have lowered themselves?He made a good Star Wars movie. He's made other decent movies. He's going to continue to keep making movies because he's far more successful at what he does than what you do.
Fact: Your opinions are shit
Honestly I didn't know wtf Snoke was supposed to be, I dont think anyone knew what he was or was supposed to be, much like how we had no idea who Palpatine was in ep 4/5/6. We didnt know anything about him in those movies. It was 1/2/3 that bridged that gap. It took them 3 more movies to flesh out Palpy and you think they could have done it in one remaining movie with Snoke?I assume you think Snoke was always supposed to be just some random clone for Palp?
Literally the music that plays in Ep 3 when they discuss Darth Plagueis is the same music that is called Snokes Theme in TFA. And I REALLY doubt John Williams messed that up accidentally or coincidentally.
Snoke was supposed to be the big bad and more fleshed out but Rian just threw him out for absolutely no reason.
Look at the first movies from all the trilogies and the first is always a set up to the rest, which is what JJ did for 7. Sure it was quite similar to 4, but it worked and it set up new characters for the remainder of the trilogy.
8 then took a shit on 7 and it seemed like nothing from it mattered.
As for TROS. It was definitely not a perfect movie, nor probably the best finale we could've asked for. But he had to make do with the screw up that was TLJ and somehow finish the trilogy within the timeframe of a movie.
They probably should've just said fuck it and made an episode 10 to allow more time to fix the mistakes made from Rian.
the plot of TLJ was childish and Rian arguably hurt more characters than he helped in the TLJ.He's saying plot and characters are more interesting starting point for him than worldbuilding. I don't see what's wrong with that approach. It doesn't seem at all radical. But some people are just going to shit over whatever he says.
the plot of TLJ was childish and Rian arguably hurt more characters than he helped in the TLJ.
but even if that is his excuse, it doesn’t dissolve many of the issues people have with the film, especially around world building. Rian is basically admitting his critics were correct. Why should anyone support Rian to work in a established universe again, or be excited for his (supposedly still in production) Star Wars trilogy?
I dunno man, Looper was good.I hated rain Johnson before star wars
not gonna hate JJ, he gave us many new characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, Maz, Kylo Ren, BB-8, Snoke, etc. he invented all these characters! that's not bad. granted he is a hack but at least these are new characters.
Rian gave us, what, Rose, Holdo, DJ? lol