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Putting sony's mistakes in context (no doom and gloom!)

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rastex

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200 million consoles sold, and counting. 2 billion software units sold, and counting. $100 billion generated, and counting.

All in just over a decade.
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This is the Playstation brand. This is what 10 years of industry domination produces.

Developers, publishers, retailers, advertisers, gamers, parents; a lot of people have made and spent a lot of money on the Playstation business. Those that supported Sony in their console endeavour since the beginning have made out very well for themselves. Peter Moore talks about the lofty goal of touching over a billion people in this next generation, some people laughed at him, personally I think Playstation is already there.

Being the source of this money-making machine gives you a lot of power, and Sony has thus far handled it well. But what's happening now? Why are some people predicting the end of the Playstation brand? Sensational headlines aside, all is not well in the house that Kutaragi built and the current problems of the Playstation 3 will have an impact on the landscape of the game industry for the generation to come.

First: The Rise
The early 90s was a crazy time with Saved By the Bell, MC Hammer, and Grunge. Nintendo is king of the world, their name is synonymous with the game industry as a whole, even developing their own stable of saturday morning cartoons. However, change is coming and it all starts innocently enough.
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The scene (completely fictional): a young and brash Ken Kutaragi has an idea for Nintendo, release a jointly-developed SNES based console that uses CD media. He visits the president of Nintendo, the notorious Hiroshi Yamauchi, atop his throne perched on Miyamoto's breaking back. Yamauchi spits in the young man's face, and unbeknownst to him has at that very moment awoke a sleeping giant and the usurper of Nintendo's empire. (For the real story, check out Wikipedia.)

In 1994 the Playstation launches in Japan, a year later makes its debut in North America and Europe. Before release gamers show trepidation towards this new offering by Sony. They make tvs and walkmans, what do they know about video games? They can't compete with SEGA and Nintendo Fortunately for Sony, the Saturn was a mess, and SEGA had squandered almost all of the industry confidence it had gained in the early Genesis days with their mish-mash of ridiculous add-ons. The oft-delayed Ultra 64 becomes the Nintendo 64 and launches two years into the Playstation's life. In the meantime Sony has followed up their impressive launch with a consistent stream of new and innovative titles that gamers respond to in a big way.

Over the next 5 years the Playstation brand grows to extreme proportions, bigger than anything the game industry has seen before. By the end of the 32-bit generation, everybody in the industry, producers and consumers alike have a well-founded and strong belief in the Playstation brand and the money and enjoyment it can bring.

The PS2 is even bigger.

Second: The Rise Continued
It's hard to describe how successful the Playstation 2 has been for Sony. In 6 years it already surpasses what the original Playstation achieved in 11, and it doesn't look to be slowing down soon. Before the PS2 launch there is a ton of hype, which is to be expected considering what its predecessor has accomplished. Sony revels in the press and as the launch nears the statements get to ridiculous levels. And people are buying it hook line and sinker! Why? Confidence. The PSOne showed the world that Sony can pull off an amazing game machine, so people have confidence in what they produce. The PS2 doesn't disappoint. Despite not living up to certain promises, outside of hardcore Internet geekdom, nobody cares. People are too busy playing Gran Turisimo, Metal Gear and watching The Matrix. Sony executes almost perfectly with the PS2 and smashes its own records. The confidence in Playstation is at an all-time high, and justifiably so.

Then, like a championship boxer that has dominated his division, Sony tries its hand at another weight-class.

An Aside: The Playstation Portable
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If there's any company that can challenge Nintendo's domination of the handheld market, it's Sony. At least, that's what everybody thought a year and a half ago. Sony and Nintendo both revealed their plans for portable systems around the same time. The juxtaposition of Sony's ultra-sleek and high-tech magic (all encapsulated into the favourite pundit term of "sexy") versus the toy-like and graphically weak Nintendo DS was jarring to say the least. Before their respective launches you should have seen the statements that were flying out of the mouths and pens of analysts, Sony executives, and forum-goers alike (The dawn of a new age for portable gaming will soon begin). It all seems rather hilarious in retrospect doesn't it? But how could so many people have been so wrong?

It seemed like such a sure bet. Sony was already 2 for 2 with the Playstation franchise, and this black box with the huge screen and 128-bit graphics ALL for only $200, was going up against the DS with only N64-style graphics? Unfair, the comparison was noted. That is confidence. Confidence in the company, and confidence in the brand. As a result of this confidence publishers and developers alike initially support the PSP much more than the DS. The PSP launches with one of the top lineups in video games while the DS struggles to shake off the classic kiddie image. Furthermore, seeing what the PS2 did to DVD sales, Hollywood buys into Sony's vision of UMD and portable movies.

And then ... through a combination of stellar game titles, and redesigned hardware the Nintendo DS is now surpassing all expectations and right now it looks like the PSP will never catch up. In Japan the PSP is floudering heavily, and comparing it to the DS is the definition of unfair. UMD is a commercial failure with studio support dropping to nothing but porn films. The PSP isn't a bomb by any means, it's still doing pretty well in North America and Europe, but it's not a resounding success and a redefinition of portable gaming that people expected out of the Playstation device.

Now my point here isn't to say that the PS3 is going to follow in the footsteps of the PSP. What the PSP has shown, much to Sony's dismay, is that the Playstation brand isn't invincible. Putting those 11 letters on the box doesn't automatically mean $100 billion in sales. What's even more surprising is that Sony hasn't even done anything really wrong with the PSP, on paper it's a fantastic deal. Even in reality, the graphics are beautiful and vibrant, it can play movies, surf the Internet, in fact the PSP with the latest firmware is way cooler than what was promised in 2004. And yet now, over a year later it's selling worse than ever before, and is being totally trounced by the DS. This is the first blow to the Playstation brand that Sony has suffered, which is making people rethink their confidence, but only slightly.

Third: Nowhere to Go but...
Nintendo has an iron grip on the hand-held industry, and now everyone knows that Nintendo will remain kings in that field for a long time to come. The console market is different, people are looking for a different experience in the home entertainment world, and this is one area that Sony knows inside and out. So losing out to Nintendo isn't that big of a deal to Sony, they're still good, it was just one hit. But the blows keep coming and this time it's from Sony themselves.
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E3 2005, the year of the target render. KillZone, MotorStorm two infamous game titles are shown at Sony's press conference and blow everyone away. And then the shocker "coming spring 2006" This spectacular scene coming right beside J Allard's lounging on the stage, and very quickly the Internet was alite in agreement: Game Over Microsoft and Nintendo. The PS3 is set to launch only a few months after the 360, show insanely better graphics, and probably be cheaper to boot. Even after some of Kutaragi's statements about working two jobs and saving up, fans just pass it off saying that Sony is fooling MS, Sony is just doing what it always does: hype hype hype and make everyone think it's going to be $1000, and then come in at a mass market $300-$400. Well we all know how that's gone. And what is happening as a result is that the industry is losing confidence in Sony. In the past 6 months there have been some large blows to the confidence in Sony:

*$600
*games that don't meet the promised renders
*PSP performance
*early Blu-Ray quality disappointment
*a large delay (one year in Europe)
*vastly reduced shipment amounts

Whether it's developers making games, retailers giving shelf space, media coverage, or gamers buying and playing the device confidence is directly proportional to the amount of a console's support. Every drop in confidence translates into less developer support, less people willing to spend their dollars, and less shelf space in the store. Sony's mistakes have already cost them millions of dollars, not only in the direct manufacturing expenses that are the cause of these problems, but in lost hardware and software sales.

Still, at this point there is more confidence in Sony and the Playstation brand than the competition, and this is especially true in Europe. But Sony is close to losing that edge, and as a result its position as the market leader. At this point anything is possible. Personally, I have no more confidence in anything that Sony says, so it's projected launch shipment units are completely up in the air in my eyes. If Sony sells less than 2 million units sold by March 2006, then they'll have a massive disaster on their hands. They need to get working consoles out there, they need to have the people buying the games, and they need to rebuild all the confidence that the industry has lost in them. With all the good will that Sony has already lost, the chance to repeat the PS2's massive dominance is slim-to-none, but Sony can still come out on top if they make no more mistakes. And considering everything that's happened, that's an admirable position.
 
I'm glad you didn't write that yourself. Its such a large bulk of text, that I fear such an effort would have been wasted for the most part.

But on glazing over it - it appears to be fair and not the grade A damage control one might assume.
 

Deku

Banned
Context? That's not context sir, it's blind propaganda.

Sony had a very successful run so far and might still have a winner in the PS3, but hawking numbers they generated from 1996 when the industry was a much different place isn't going to change the severity of the errors they made in 2006, 2005 and 2004.
 
rastex said:
The scene (completely fictional): a young and brash Ken Kutaragi has an idea for Nintendo, release a jointly-developed SNES based console that uses CD media. He visits the president of Nintendo, the notorious Hiroshi Yamauchi, atop his throne perched on Miyamoto's breaking back. Yamauchi spits in the young man's face, and unbeknownst to him has at that very moment awoke a sleeping giant and the usurper of Nintendo's empire. (For the real story, check out Wikipedia.)

"Spits in the young man's face"? Not before Sony attempted to screw them out of any royalties in that deal.
 
cartman414 said:
"Spits in the young man's face"? Not before Sony attempted to screw them out of any royalties in that deal.

Yeah, a bit hyperbolic and potentially false at that point. Instead of saying "for the real story, click here" they probably should have mentioned the royalty dispute :/

I agree with the premise of the piece though. The brand is still strong, and provided there are no more mistakes, its not inconceivable that Sony can recover.
 

Odysseus

Banned
cartman414 said:
"Spits in the young man's face"? Not before Sony attempted to screw them out of any royalties in that deal.

Yeah, that royalty deal has worked out GREAT for Nintendo. Lackluster install base with the Nintendo 64, downright pitiful with GameCube. Third party sales galore. Not only that, the diminished base cuts in greatly on first party sales. Awesome job, guys.
 

Flakster99

Member
cartman414 said:
"Spits in the young man's face"? Not before Sony attempted to screw them out of any royalties in that deal.

Yep. Not to make it seem like everyone feels, or shares the same thought, however, people are quick to gleam, brush away, forget this vital part of the deal.

Anyways, an entertaining read.
 
Nvidia said:
you're gay :|

this is useful and adds to the discussion.

The "SPRING 2006" thing is what has been the biggest mis-step for me. I skipped the 360 and wasnt interested but the constant lies have gotten me extremely irritated as a consumer and Spring was just sorta the straw that broke the camel's back. granted i wouldn't have paid the 599$ when i heard about that, but that Spring 2006 image is just soooo stinging for me. Kojima is saving SOny's ass on this one.
 

urk

butthole fishhooking yes
A guy I know told me that a guy he knows who works with a guy who owns a Cybershot said that the PS3 is going to be the balls. Can you confirm?
 
Odysseus said:
Yeah, that royalty deal has worked out GREAT for Nintendo. Lackluster install base with the Nintendo 64, downright pitiful with GameCube. Third party sales galore. Not only that, the diminished base cuts in greatly on first party sales. Awesome job, guys.

In the US, they sold almost as much software on N64 as they did on SNES. 184.21 vs 177.51... not so well in Japan. But nowadays they sell more software than they typically sold before, regardless of the smaller userbase. Its the software that makes money. And call it penny pinching if you will, but they've been quite sensible on hardware too. They have profited healthily from GBA, Gamecube and DS at an early stage each time, whereas Sony and MS have now taken to taking a massive hit and making it up over 5 years. Although Nintendo have been doing it around 15 years longer than Sony, Nintendo too can claim 2 billion games sold, 360+ million in hardware and counting. If "Awesome job, guys" is sarcasm, maybe it shouldn't be. And the competition and change Sony brought to Nintendo and the industry at large has been good for all of us.

My 2 cents there.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
A good article wasted on this audience. Largely meaningless, though. If you're 100% right people will say that it's "blind propaganda" and if you're 100% wrong they'll call it "fanboy drivel."

Still, good job sir. Much more energy than I would have spent trying to convince anyone other than myself that the PS3 will be more than a moderate 'success.'
 

reallyfun

Banned
don't even try anymore, it's f*ckin over for your precious Sony. no matter how many positives you try to dig up from the pile of negatives, we all knew what happened to the Nintendo fanboys back in 1996.
 
*$600
*games that don't meet the promised renders
*PSP performance
*early Blu-Ray quality disappointment
*a large delay (one year in Europe)
*vastly reduced shipment amounts

None of those affect me as a hardcore gamer.

I will get ps3 because it will have games you can't find on 360 (resistance) and all games will look better on ps3 that are ports. most ports will be 1080p at the very least on ps3 so why buy ports for 360?

I will have all systems for exclusive games and all gamers should do this as well. I hate fanboys who bitch about which system is better, get them all and play games on the one that they look best on. End of story.

Plus ps3 gives ma w blue ray player which goes with my 1080p tv perfectly, so worth every penny given blue ray players are like 1k IMO.
 

Odysseus

Banned
reallyfun said:
don't even try anymore, it's f*ckin over for your precious Sony. no matter how many positives you try to dig up from the pile of negatives, we all knew what happened to the Nintendo fanboys back in 1996.

Oh, this is rich. And likely to served up alongside some crow.
 
contaygious said:
None of those affect me as a hardcore gamer.

I will get ps3 because it will have games you can't find on 360 and all games will look better on ps3 that are ports. most ports will be 1080p at the very least on ps3 so why buy ports for 360?

I will have all systems for exclusive games and all gamers should do this as well. I hate fanboys who bitch about which system is better, get them all and play games on the one that they look best on. End of story.

Plus ps3 gives ma w blue ray player which goes with my 1080p tv perfectly, so worth every penny given blue ray players are like 1k IMO.

Not a problem with any of those perfectly valid reasons for justifying a PS3 purchase, but I don't believe the bolded part is necessarily true.
 

Joeroll

Member
I always look forward to your 'articles'. "Why the 360 has already won north america" 'Why the Wii wont sell".

This one has a nice spin on it. Although I really dont get what the whole article is for. Looks like the general sony hardware timeline was an excuse to throw out a PS3 opinion. Awesome.

"With all the good will that Sony has already lost" I wasn't aware they lost so much 'good will'. How did they lose it? PSP? Target renders? I dont think these things made them lose much 'good will'.

"the chance to repeat the PS2's massive dominance is slim-to-none" I kind-of agree with this. I believe PS3 will be the market leader, probably by a large margin too. But I agree not as big as the Previous generation.


I got the feeling this article was basically the same as the '360 won north america' article just wrapped up in a new package with a different note on it. But, keep it up. They're fun to read. :)
 

thirty

Banned
why the hell is it that you people cant have a regular conversation about this stuff? last topic i posted about the ps3 got locked which makes no sense as it was open for a normal discussion. what the hell are you guys afraid of? if sony fails they fail. so what. life goes on. if they win they win. so what. life still goes on. i dont see why there cant be a decent discussion about the stuff surrounding that pending victory or utter defeat.
 
contaygious said:
None of those affect me as a hardcore gamer.

I will get ps3 because it will have games you can't find on 360 (resistance) and all games will look better on ps3 that are ports. most ports will be 1080p at the very least on ps3 so why buy ports for 360?

I will have all systems for exclusive games and all gamers should do this as well. I hate fanboys who bitch about which system is better, get them all and play games on the one that they look best on. End of story.

Plus ps3 gives ma w blue ray player which goes with my 1080p tv perfectly, so worth every penny given blue ray players are like 1k IMO.

:lol yes.. most games will actually be 50,000p!

but your fist comment, "None of those affect me as a hardcore gamer" is quite to the point. A lot of people, including pubs, are quite upset with both MS and Sony in that they are making the adoption curve so steep with their pricing that it may be a good deal harder to sell the number of games they need to in order to turn a profit on their titles. The PS2 is a very lucrative platform to dev for and, other than flash and glitz, the 360 and PS3 aren't as attractive in many important ways. IMO, devs flockign to the Wii has more to do with pricepoint and less to do with waggling.
 

reallyfun

Banned
rastex said:
...right now it looks like the PSP will never catch up. In Japan the PSP is floudering heavily, and comparing it to the DS is the definition of unfair.
you're a few years late mate, if you claim it's unfair for the DS to get more attention than your silly little PSP tech gadget because zomg more beautiful graphx on it, then this is hand in hand to what happened to the GC. better graphics won't buy you more fanbase. deal with it.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Not a problem with any of those perfectly valid reasons for justifying a PS3 purchase, but I don't believe the bolded part is necessarily true.

Well put it this way, EA ports will be 1080p on ps3 so what makes you think other games won't port over in 1080p? even early games in development look better on ps3 that are being made at the same time as 360 trust me ;)
 
IMO, devs flockign to the Wii has more to do with pricepoint and less to do with waggling.

This is not true at all. Most devs who are making games for 360 are making games for ps3, sure there are some exclusives there always are, but hardly any devs are doing wii only games and the ones that are don't affect the ps3 anyway because the games are so different.

C'mon we all know that 95 percent of games will be ports on ps3/360 and if games look better on ps3 like xbox games looked better than ps2 did why not buy a ps3 for ports?

get the 360 for gears of war, ps3 for metal gear, and the wii for zelda and call it a day. I'm not buying a ps3 right away either, but I sure as hell will have all 3 systems at one point.
 

Ranger X

Member
Honestly Sony may not mind a slow start for the PS3, the sales of the PS2 are still very strong and will only starting to fade during 2007. Market share for market share, if we include all consoles (i mean last gen+ present gen) maybe Sony won't lose much ground.
 
Ranger X said:
Honestly Sony may not mind a slow start for the PS3, the sales of the PS2 are still very strong and will only starting to fade during 2007. Market share for market share, if we include all consoles (i mean last gen+ present gen) maybe Sony won't lose much ground.

Good point, because for most devs the ps2 still rules. Many devs are not even releasing ports for xbox this christmas only ps2 and gamecube take the new sims pets for instance.

Don't forget that there are hardly any 360s out there still compared to ps2 so it will be a long time before ps3/360 are around 200-300 dollars and that will be when the majority of people actually purchase them anyway.
 

Odysseus

Banned
Ranger X said:
Honestly Sony may not mind a slow start for the PS3, the sales of the PS2 are still very strong and will only starting to fade during 2007. Market share for market share, if we include all consoles (i mean last gen+ present gen) maybe Sony won't lose much ground.

I wonder, though, if PS2 will be able to keep it up in the presence of the PS3. I'm not talking based on any info here, so someone could quite easily post some PS1 sales data and prove my whole hypothesis wrong. But I would think that, with people being fickle in nature, if they see a PS3 on the market, they would then be hesitant to spend money on the PS2, despite not even being in the market for a $600 game player in the first place. I just think the existance of a new version would put a pyschological barrier around the old one. But, like I said, someone could shut me up real quick if PS1 data shows otherwise.
 

rastex

Banned
Odysseus I think that's definitely a factor, but it becomes a marketing challenge at that point. Considering the way the prices are positioned I can see both products co-existing in the market quite happily. The biggest problem really is retailer shelf space. There are so many platforms now, that some are going to have to be dropped. You have:
PSP
PS2
PS3
Wii
Gamecube
Xbox
Xbox 360
PC
DS
GBA

Xbox, and Gamecube will probably drop, but that still leaves quite a few platforms to support.
 
contaygious said:
This is not true at all. Most devs who are making games for 360 are making games for ps3, sure there are some exclusives there always are, but hardly any devs are doing wii only games and the ones that are don't affect the ps3 anyway because the games are so different.

C'mon we all know that 95 percent of games will be ports on ps3/360 and if games look better on ps3 like xbox games looked better than ps2 did why not buy a ps3 for ports?

get the 360 for gears of war, ps3 for metal gear, and the wii for zelda and call it a day. I'm not buying a ps3 right away either, but I sure as hell will have all 3 systems at one point.

dude you need to stop posting like whats in your head is fact. especially when it's far from the truth. "trust me"
 

JJConrad

Sucks at viral marketing
I don't understand the context of this topic. Rastex, are you saying that despite all of Sony's mistakes they are still #1 so it won't matter? That seems to be the only counter in your article.

Market leadership is a factor but it is one of many. It does not gaurentee continued success. The NES being the leader didn't prevent the Genesis from almost beating the SNES, the Gameboy/SNES didn't save Virtualboy, the SNES didn't save the N64, the PS2 did not save the PSP and by your own words the GBA didn't prevent developers from supporting the PSP over the DS early on. ML can create some confidense in a new product (from both consumers and developers), but that new product must be able to keep that confidense on its own.

The PS3 has more than the Playstation name behind it ... but I'll leave that fight to the SDF.

Ranger X said:
Honestly Sony may not mind a slow start for the PS3, the sales of the PS2 are still very strong and will only starting to fade during 2007. Market share for market share, if we include all consoles (i mean last gen+ present gen) maybe Sony won't lose much ground.
The Plastation did well in its first two years after the PS2, but quickly became a footnote in many industry reports. All of the industries attention will be on the next-gen platforms, if the PS3 struggles the PS2 won't be able to carries its water.

In Japan the PS2 is already faded. The entire console market is trouble. There is no way that the PS2 could sustatin Sony there.

The PS2 is already starting to fade in the US. Sales are clearly slowing. For the first three holidays of the PS2 life the system would sell 2.5-3.5 million console in Nov and Dec; the last two years the PS2 has sold about 1.5-2 million in the same months (though 2004 faced huge shortages). The PS2 is still a strong platform, but I will only carry the Playstation name for so long before it fades away.

I know that the PS2 is still very strong in Europe but we don't get enough information to make any statements.

This time around, I think a long transistion from the PS2 to PS3 may actually hurt Sony more than it'll help them. Last time, the N64 was dead and DC quickly became a non-factor, leaving the Playstation name to itself. Sony had a 12-18 months headstart before sales comparisons could be made between its competitors. This time the competition is already moving, the entry-fees are higher, and Nintendo has made a system that will take advantage late-gen PS2 developers. The PS3 must succeed on its own.
 
meltpotato said:
dude you need to stop posting like whats in your head is fact. especially when it's far from the truth. "trust me"

hahahah, well I don't know why you think it's so hard to believe, I guess you will just have to wait and see that I am right. I'm not just spewing opinions. From my perspective and where i'm sitting, I am betting on the fact that almost all ports are 1080p on ps3. Just like ps2 ports for xbox were hd.
 
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