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squallheart
Member
Stuff like that annoys me like who are they to dictate my culture and change our way of speaking. Same thing with insomniac and naughty dog they have been going down the same route dei or whatever that's called.
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Jose92
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I know it is factions i just put a sly mistake to see if anyone is paying attention or just reading the title and replying, well done.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
I always saw the Bungie purchase as a HUGE gamble. They just have a single popular IP with Destiny, but it's just one IP that has been replaced now. So you spend $3.6bil on them and what if there next game simply fails to take off? We see it time and time again with GAAS. That would be billions pissed down the drain for a corporation that isn't cash rich and has thin margins already. Bungie's value would also absolutely plummit in this scenario as they have nothing to fall back on. So it's a gamble and a unncessecary one at that.
At least if you're buying a Capcom or Square-Enix they're not one trick pony's and they have multiple large IPs to fall back on and also a history of rejuvinating and keeping alive their franchises for many decades.
At least if you're buying a Capcom or Square-Enix they're not one trick pony's and they have multiple large IPs to fall back on and also a history of rejuvinating and keeping alive their franchises for many decades.
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Spyxos
Gold Member
Why? Fortinte is huge right now.That $2 billion investment in Epic Games was an even worse mistake.
Sony and the Lego family bet big on the 'metaverse' with $2 billion investment in Epic Games
It comes after Epic and Lego announced plans to co-develop a "family-friendly" metaverse for kids.www.cnbc.com
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Buying bungie for $3.6 billion had 3 key pillars attached to it.
1. Destiny
2. Their GAAS expertise was supposed to help Sonys first party studios make good games
3. Having the points above helps curb MS getting COD and possibly rebuying Bungie again later on. Bungie was the only independent studio around with a big shooter getting top 10 online shooter users kind of thing.
As to whether they’ve been a success and worth it or a failure is subjective but currently going by what’s known…. Game delays and they missed Destiny forecasts by 45% with their latest dlc and its need bad so far.
ProtoByte
Member
Oh, that's how most of Sony's major acquisitions pre-Bungie worked.
They deviated a few times, like with Gaikai back in 2013, I believe. But generally they've only bought teams that they have some history with.
Krappadizzle
Member
No disagreement from me, but it's still pretty early in the acquisition and the nature of development takes time. I'm hopeful that we'll see Obsidian get the Fallout i.p. back so we can have another great entry in the franchise.
My point was more that now MSFT is sitting on a huge library of amazing i.p's and the future has a lot of potential, where as you compare to what Sony has with Bungie. Bungie really needs to pull another Halo out of the hat and I'm not sure they have that in them. I certainly haven't thought of Destiny since Destiny 2's release, and I felt that was a bit of a disappointment. I'm sure they have some die-hard fans, obviously, because the franchise is still going, but it's not one anyone I know is interested in. For what they paid for Bungie, it definitely seems like Sony got the short-end of the stick on that one.
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It always felt like a short-sided move to appease board members and investors, especially since Xbox / Activation was dominating headlines at the time. The upside, if Sony can make it there, is whatever Bungie is up to after Destiny 2. Not a big believer in Marathon but will definitely keep my eye on it.
They really should make Destiny 2 + Expansions free to all PS Plus members to increase hype for The Final Shape. Pre-Orders on that are looking particularly grim, and it's supposed to be the finale to the whole saga!
They really should make Destiny 2 + Expansions free to all PS Plus members to increase hype for The Final Shape. Pre-Orders on that are looking particularly grim, and it's supposed to be the finale to the whole saga!
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FalsettoVibe
Member
This dumb thread is more reactionary than Sony buying Bungie.
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clarky
Gold Member
Marathon is a completly different title to previous entries, let see what its all about before writing it off.
Hopefully its as good as the trailer, that shit was awesome.
Nydius
Member
I absolutely agree with your opinion,
Jose92
. Jim Ryan bought Bungie primarily to expedite PlayStation Studios' GaaS push but that never made sense to me because Destiny 1 and 2 had a very checkered past. They had just as many fuck-ups as successes and had pleased and pissed off fans in equal measure. Bungie's track record with Destiny hasn't been great for the last few years and they had already gotten a reputation as greedy money grabbers with their monetization systems before Sony bought them.
Now the GaaS push is clearly being rethought and significantly curtailed.
Bungie feels like deadweight pushing an aging game that is on the decline and hoping their reboot of Marathon can break into a crowded market.
Jose92
. Jim Ryan bought Bungie primarily to expedite PlayStation Studios' GaaS push but that never made sense to me because Destiny 1 and 2 had a very checkered past. They had just as many fuck-ups as successes and had pleased and pissed off fans in equal measure. Bungie's track record with Destiny hasn't been great for the last few years and they had already gotten a reputation as greedy money grabbers with their monetization systems before Sony bought them.Now the GaaS push is clearly being rethought and significantly curtailed.
Bungie feels like deadweight pushing an aging game that is on the decline and hoping their reboot of Marathon can break into a crowded market.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Chat GPT answer:
...However, the language and structure of the text suggest that it could have been generated by an individual rather than an AI language model like ChatGPT. The text demonstrates a nuanced understanding of industry events and expresses a coherent opinion on the matter, which aligns more closely with human-written content.
i will choose to believe it was still written by a bot.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
I can understand the decision to acquire a huge GaaS shooter (given that COD was going to be in MS's hands) but in hindsight, it's pretty obvious that these guys soon will be invited to embark on a new exciting career path.
Shubh_C63
Member
I still have faith in Destiny/Bungie. I won't be returning to it but the game just never dies, and the new expansion will prove nothing less.
However Destiny 2 New expansion has only 25% of Pre-Order compared to Lightfall (best expansion launch ever for Destiny) and WARFRAME is literally charting twice as many players compared to Destiny 2 for over a month now, which it has never done in the past ever.
The Next expansion has to be its best yet, or Sony's TV show tie ups and whatnot are dead.
However Destiny 2 New expansion has only 25% of Pre-Order compared to Lightfall (best expansion launch ever for Destiny) and WARFRAME is literally charting twice as many players compared to Destiny 2 for over a month now, which it has never done in the past ever.
The Next expansion has to be its best yet, or Sony's TV show tie ups and whatnot are dead.
Hudo
Member
If they do then I highly expect some Chinese megacorp like Tencent or Netease to buy them.
mayham2199
Member
Maybe. If their new game comes out and blows up this whole thread will look stupid. Look at Hell Divers 2. No one would have thought it would be much of anything to talk about. Destiny still has some of the best gunplay out there. If they can bring that to Marathon and surround it with a compelling game it could turn out very well for Bungie.
Big Chungus
Member
jim ryan was a mistake
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It’s been over 3 years. MS should have had a lot of smaller projects in the pipeline. Many little things could have come out right now. Quake and Quake 2 remasters from Nightdive are the best things to come from that acquisition.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Raven117
Member
Because lightfall effing sucked. That simple. I’ve played destiny since day 1, but I can’t be bothered anymore. Too many times they took a dump on their player base saying it was good and they were listening.
semiconscious
Member
LordCBH
Member
If The Final Shape is anywhere near as fucking bad as Lightfall was, then the games done. It was one of the worst expansion packs of all time.
//DEVIL//
Member
I dont consider buying one of the best FPS devs out there is a mistake
Destiny and Halo before it, has some of the best FPS games. even Story telling, Music, maps . they all are more than great and they excel is that field.
Problem is expectations and greed. when your game become micro transactions heavy, its dead. especially when you are actually paying for the game it self and not free to play.
Greed is what is killing the industry. and hiring staff that does not belong to the team. just for the sake of diversity, color or equality and not based on skills and knowledge.
they keep trying to feed us its expensive and more complicated now to make a game... maybe to a point but no.. its really not. its expensive because of the useless staff you have.
Destiny and Halo before it, has some of the best FPS games. even Story telling, Music, maps . they all are more than great and they excel is that field.
Problem is expectations and greed. when your game become micro transactions heavy, its dead. especially when you are actually paying for the game it self and not free to play.
Greed is what is killing the industry. and hiring staff that does not belong to the team. just for the sake of diversity, color or equality and not based on skills and knowledge.
they keep trying to feed us its expensive and more complicated now to make a game... maybe to a point but no.. its really not. its expensive because of the useless staff you have.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Gojiira
Member
I think people forget just how quickly things change in the modern world. Bungie was the right purchase AT THE TIME. Back when they were more or less the leading studio for GaaS. But times change.
Personally I think they should have bought Squeenix,Capcom and Kadokawa since they would fill holes in PS’ lineup but yeah
Personally I think they should have bought Squeenix,Capcom and Kadokawa since they would fill holes in PS’ lineup but yeah
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I do think they have overpaid for Bungie.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Sony doesn’t like Microsoft and had a point to make.
Are we just going to ignore the massive inflation since covid? These layoffs aren't all because of acquisitions, if they were it wouldn't be happening across the industry. Everyone ballooned during covid and now they're having to pull back due to increaed costs and bloated workforces.
farmerboy
Member
Yeah, a 30 year "help us create a world dominant entrrtainment empire beloved by millions worldwide" mistake
TropicanaTwista
Member
I would take it a step further and pretty much say consolidation in almost any industry is a mistake but overall you are correct.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Hey gang, can you guess what I'm holding in my hand hiding in my armpit?
1. Nothing
2. My cell phone
3. 900 pink slips
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
This tweet is right up modern Sony's alley tho
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And I'm sure MS started talking to Bethesda way before it was announced in Sept 2020. If youre going to give Sony the benefit of claiming they were in talks almost two years before announcing it in Jan 31, 2022, then MS and Bethesda surely did it too.
Kokoloko85
Member
Im sure Destiny is paying for itself. And the games will bring in money too.
And pretty sure MS was buy them anyway, so Sony had to
And pretty sure MS was buy them anyway, so Sony had to
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Tech industries are all about growth. Doesn't matter if it's gaming, social media or Roku players. If you dont have big growth %, youre not really a tech company anymore. And once that reality sets in, the stock price will plummet saying goodbye to a PE ratio of 80. They'll join the 100 year old stodgy companies where growing at 3% is considered great.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
I think that's false. MS rejected to buy Bungie
Puscifer
Member
I do, that purchase was 99% clearly a retaliation move.
Barakov
Gold Member
Hulst always reminded me of a sleazy guy in a french porno.this is the fault of.............................
Kokoloko85
Member
They considered it.
They probably wanted full ownership.
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Microsoft considered acquiring Bungie and Sega to bolster Xbox Game Pass, internal emails show
Microsoft’s internal documents reveal gaming targets.
www.theverge.com
SplunkyMunkey
Member
Sony should just get take 2 with there ips. Red dead , bully , LA Noire , bioshock , Mafia , xcom etc. CoD was making sony money that helped with development but now that's pretty much out the window Take 2 would be a wise Purchase that would sell alot of consoles aswell and bringing in money
midnightAI
Member
I think Sony just need to interfere with the management of Bungie. I'd have them split into two teams, one larger team servicing the GaaS side of things (Marathon), the other a smaller team working on a single player FPS, utilise the knowledge gained when making Halo, perhaps even have it set in the Destiny universe (seeing as loads of assets are already done they can just enhance those)
I don't think the purchase of Bungie was a bad thing at all (these layoffs are nothing to do with Bungie, this is about future profitability and sustainability). Heck, Destiny is still huge, if (when?) they inevitably make Destiny 3 it would be a massive money maker.
I don't think the purchase of Bungie was a bad thing at all (these layoffs are nothing to do with Bungie, this is about future profitability and sustainability). Heck, Destiny is still huge, if (when?) they inevitably make Destiny 3 it would be a massive money maker.
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intheinbetween
Member
Honestly I disagree, it was a good catch by Sony, the challenge will be how to manage Bungie properly since as others already stated, Bungie act as if they want to be independent but always under the umbrella of a big company.
By the way, if people are regretting of this acquisition which was $3.6bn, then how some of these people believe Sony can acquire bigger companies such as Square, Capcom or even From?
By the way, if people are regretting of this acquisition which was $3.6bn, then how some of these people believe Sony can acquire bigger companies such as Square, Capcom or even From?
Ogbert
Member
Perhaps.
But the absolutely eye watering costs of game development make it all but necessary. The costs are simply too high.
jm89
Member
Let's see what happens with marathon and whatever else new they have coming. If they can't do anything big this gen other then destiny 2 stuff, then yeah this shit was a mistake.
Bungie will be under serious pressure to keep bringing in the cash, iirc sony can dissolve the bungie board and take over if their revenue drops to a certain amount or something like that, can't remember the exact conditions.
Bungie will be under serious pressure to keep bringing in the cash, iirc sony can dissolve the bungie board and take over if their revenue drops to a certain amount or something like that, can't remember the exact conditions.
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