I mean, with the Lockhart system existing and Microsoft's overall focus on an eco-system rather than selling consoles, the PS5 outselling the Series X isn't a huge surprise. The attach rates for the eco-system and recurring revenues are what's going to be most important and that can't be shown through just console sales anymore
It's a shame for Xbox that their game reveals didn't land with the impact they needed, the numbers and performance on the XSX sounded good but the games have to back it up in some way....Same. Microsoft is just getting its ass kicked so bad by Sony right now...and the really humiliating thing here is that both consoles aren't even out yet.
It's a shame for Xbox that their game reveals didn't land with the impact they needed, the numbers and performance on the XSX sounded good but the games have to back it up in some way....
It could have given them a fighting chance.
Nah. The PS3 outsold the significantly cheaper 360 from day 1. Not just launch aligned but literally when it released it sold more in the following 12 months than the 360 did, even at USD$599.Too soon to say this. While PlayStation is the bigger brand worldwide, price and other factors could push the balance
1. What makes you say that Sony is struggling? I know that they were struggling years ago due to some of their divisions no longer being profitable, but I was under the impression that they either sold those divisions or shut them down. Haven't things improved?
2. How much readily available cash does Sony have?
p.s. I agree that many people on the forum seem to be blowing Sony's dominance way out of proportion.
well,there is fanboys on all systems,but at the level of xbox? nah things like milgrau being sponsored by microsoft and aaron greenbreg liking him on twitter,you dont see that on nintendo or sony social media,xbox fanboys ( not the normal ones) are the most toxic by far
well,there is fanboys on all systems,but at the level of xbox? nah things like milgrau being sponsored by microsoft and aaron greenbreg liking him on twitter,you dont see that on nintendo or sony social media,xbox fanboys ( not the normal ones) are the most toxic by farCan't decide which fanboys are worse
ok,let me ask you a question,there is a playstation equivalent of something like milgrau?
Thats kinda silly mentality. If i wanted to play games on pc i would. But i rather play on the couch with a huge tv connected to a 5.1 system. Sorry but its better then any pc imo. Its the better console.shots fired !
I don't know, but if this is ONLY referencing consoles? I think this is wrong. Needs to be even 3-4x the amount of PS5 vs. XSEX. If, this is really just focussing on sold physical console units..!!?
I mean, after the last weeks information's handed to consumers...I don't know man, especially, people that are actually owning a PC... why would you even bother buying a XSEX?
A rather sad attitude imo
Not yours, Microsoft’s.
They can compete they showed glimpses of it during the 360. Xbox’s biggest problem is Microsoft itself at times.
A brand with tons of potential not being met but this group running the division are liked by many core fans it seems so my opinion is a fart in the wind really when it comes to wanting change.
In recent months it has become clear that Sony and Microsoft are pursuing two very different strategies in the video game industry. The likely result is that the upcoming Sony PlayStation 5 should significantly outsell the Microsoft Xbox Series X. However, Microsoft may have the long-term winning battle plan.
The latest DFC Intelligence video game console forecasts have the PlayStation 5 outselling the Xbox Series X by a margin of 2-to-1. The PS5 looks likely to be Sony’s fourth 100 million unit selling console game system.
Microsoft is trying its best with Xbox Series X, but the past few months have revealed they are just too far behind Sony. Consumer brand preference is strongly towards PlayStation. As a piece of hardware there is nothing Xbox Series X is doing to change that perception.
Sony is also a global powerhouse in video games. Microsoft is only strong in English speaking markets. The Xbox has no presence in Japan and is weak in most of Europe. Sony’s strength in global consumer electronics distribution has been too much for Microsoft to overcome, even after 20 years of concerted effort.
Games industry research firm DFC Intelligence believes PS5 will outsell XSX by 2-to-1, though Microsoft's long-term plan could pay off.wccftech.com
Youre definitely right there. I feel as if MS has killed their own hype by not shutting up. Theyre always saying something, let some hype build up, let people have low expectations, but they don't because its the most bestest console ever!I believe you are 100% right. The Xbox has a lot of potential. Just with Rare, they are sitting in a gold mine of IPs, but they just refuse to revive them and do them well.
Definitely, the biggest issue with Xbox is the people running it. Just as an example, Aaron Greenberg, is the worst PR/marketing executive of ANY company.
I think most of the executives at Xbox are out of touch with the industry. Phil Spencer is a gamer and he is passionate, but yet, he doesn't understand what their people want. Things like GamePass and BC are popular because it's basically "free" stuff. It's something with a lot of value for little price.
You can see in their Games showcases that they had, that they just think of games, like how moms thing about "Nintendos". Moms think any video game is a Nintendo, and Xbox thinks that any game weighs the same in value on Xbox. They say: We have 5,000 games because they are counting BC, Indies, First party, third party, good rated, bad rated, etc). Sony and Nintendo on the other hand, know which games are really important for the brand. Nintendo knows that Zelda and Mario far outweigh games like Kirby. So they don't go and give them the same treatment.
Xbox needs someone at the head that understands that. Someone that understands the industry far better than the business of it.
This! Sony has no where near as much cash on hand as Microsoft. What fanboys need to understand is that this is business. Xbox does not have access to "the largest war chest of cash" I don't understand why they think Xbox has free reign on that cash?!?! They read that Microsoft is has moved past 1 Trillion and some how they are bolstered by it, like if Xbox wanted to they could just buy up the industry... no, they can't. In all honesty, Playstation might have a longer leash, in terms of spending, with Sony than Xbox has with Microsoft strictly based on the fact of how important Playstation is to Sony's bottom line.1. Sony turned them around, yes.
Sony: 30 billion
Microsoft: 130 billion
So you don't believe PS5 will do 2:1 over XSX?The same DFC that said this, when Switch has sold 60 million and we haven't even got to Christmas 2020 yet.
Will probably be 70 million by year end. Only off by 75%.
DFC Intelligence has produced a report detailing estimated sales for the Nintendo Switch. The company claims that Nintendo will sell 40 million units by the end of 2020. The firm believes that the console could get off to a slowish start but sees things rapidly improving over time. “The Switch...mynintendonews.com
If they really cared more about console sales they would have made exclusives not on Xbox One. With the 12+ Game Pass subs(no update since April just a guess), making Game Pass exclusives to XSX and XSS with a low entry cost on the XSS and some cut throat exclusive deals like Sony they could be neck and neck for a while but they seem laid back when it comes to console sales. They are more worried about Game Pass retention and getting it on more and more devices including phones soon.
Nah. The PS3 outsold the significantly cheaper 360 from day 1. Not just launch aligned but literally when it released it sold more in the following 12 months than the 360 did, even at USD$599.
The iPhone 12 will outsell the next OnePlus flagship, price and other factors don’t matter when a brand name and existing installed fan base is significantly bigger than the other.
Do you think the 2:1 will continue next gen?
I think MS has made great strides in bolstering their studios, improving GamePass, and I get the feeling that a $299 (or less) Lockhart's going to be more impactful than people realize.
NeoGAF is giving me strong Vita / Wii vibes (way off) for XBox right now.
What's Microsoft done to get people outside of English speaking countries to buy an Xbox? There's only so much you can do when Sonyland takes up most of the globe.
Your mistake is thinking the market share is stable. it isn't. The less people own an Xbox, the less people would recommend an Xbox. The less people a consumer know own an Xbox, the less likely that person would buy an Xbox. This is why Xbox basically ceased to exist in Japan and in many parts of Europe; once the popularity drop below a certain level, it is no longer sustainable in a market.Does it matter? The 360 didn't do much outside of English speaking countries either. Still sold 90 million.
Your mistake is thinking the market share is stable. it isn't. The less people own an Xbox, the less people would recommend an Xbox. The less people a consumer know own an Xbox, the less likely that person would buy an Xbox. This is why Xbox basically ceased to exist in Japan and in many parts of Europe; once the popularity drop below a certain level, it is no longer sustainable in a market.
It is a fantasy to assume Xbox would be able to maintain the 2 to 1 deficit next gen without something keeping them going. And Microsoft know this too, they have already given up and went all in Gamepass. The Series X was just a vestigial project that they had to keep because they already spent the money on it.
No. Because they have so far not shown any improvements over last gen. They have not shown why people who don't already own an Xbox should get one.Wait...you think MS won't be able to (at minimum) maintain their 1:2 pace with PS5?
No. Because they have so far not shown any improvements over last gen. They have not shown why people who don't already own an Xbox should get one.
And "But they have more power!" does not cut it. Not if they couldn't demonstrate the power by actually running AAA games on real hardware. Console wars are hard, your mistake is assuming it is easy to make a comeback.
Look at it this way; Sony brought PS3 back from the dead, but the only way they manage it was by using up all the profits they earned from PS2 in supporting PS3, and the Vita get killed as a side effect too. If you think it is EASY to survive as a console manufacturer, you are ignorant of all the dead consoles in the past.
this is a surprise,outside usa the xbox brand its DOA