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News PS5 Sales Expected to ‘Significantly Outperform’ Xbox Series X, Says DFC Intelligence

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That's not a terribly hard prediction to make, considering what we know now. It's obvious Sony has the upper hand.

However, there's always the chance that something unexpected might happen. It's not likely, but I'm not gonna rule it out just yet.
 

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I mean, with the Lockhart system existing and Microsoft's overall focus on an eco-system rather than selling consoles, the PS5 outselling the Series X isn't a huge surprise. The attach rates for the eco-system and recurring revenues are what's going to be most important and that can't be shown through just console sales anymore
 
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I mean, with the Lockhart system existing and Microsoft's overall focus on an eco-system rather than selling consoles, the PS5 outselling the Series X isn't a huge surprise. The attach rates for the eco-system and recurring revenues are what's going to be most important and that can't be shown through just console sales anymore
The overall sales matter more than the attach rates. It's something that Sony has proven with the PS4.
 

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God I need to work in this firms. The amount of “no shit Sherlock” things they say is amazing.
 

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Same. Microsoft is just getting its ass kicked so bad by Sony right now...and the really humiliating thing here is that both consoles aren't even out yet.
It's a shame for Xbox that their game reveals didn't land with the impact they needed, the numbers and performance on the XSX sounded good but the games have to back it up in some way....
It could have given them a fighting chance.
 

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It's a shame for Xbox that their game reveals didn't land with the impact they needed, the numbers and performance on the XSX sounded good but the games have to back it up in some way....
It could have given them a fighting chance.
Right. The sheer power of the system should have stunned us, but that’s not the case, and now Sony has all the wind at their back.
 

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Too soon to say this. While PlayStation is the bigger brand worldwide, price and other factors could push the balance
Nah. The PS3 outsold the significantly cheaper 360 from day 1. Not just launch aligned but literally when it released it sold more in the following 12 months than the 360 did, even at USD$599.

The iPhone 12 will outsell the next OnePlus flagship, price and other factors don’t matter when a brand name and existing installed fan base is significantly bigger than the other.
 

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Right. The sheer power of the system should have stunned us, but that’s not the case, and now Sony has all the wind at their back.
its always the games,no the power of the system,its so obvious i still dont know why people still dont get it
 

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1. What makes you say that Sony is struggling? I know that they were struggling years ago due to some of their divisions no longer being profitable, but I was under the impression that they either sold those divisions or shut them down. Haven't things improved?

2. How much readily available cash does Sony have?
1. Sony turned them around, yes.

2. Roughly
Sony: 30 billion
Microsoft: 130 billion
 

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If they really cared more about console sales they would have made exclusives not on Xbox One. With the 12+ Game Pass subs(no update since April just a guess), making Game Pass exclusives to XSX and XSS with a low entry cost on the XSS and some cut throat exclusive deals like Sony they could be neck and neck for a while but they seem laid back when it comes to console sales. They are more worried about Game Pass retention and getting it on more and more devices including phones soon.

p.s. I agree that many people on the forum seem to be blowing Sony's dominance way out of proportion.
Exactly, especially the 10:1 guy, lmao. Guess PS5 is selling 600 million this gen. What a time to be alive.


well,there is fanboys on all systems,but at the level of xbox? nah things like milgrau being sponsored by microsoft and aaron greenbreg liking him on twitter,you dont see that on nintendo or sony social media,xbox fanboys ( not the normal ones) are the most toxic by far

Yeah, the Avengers trailer they released called "The Playstation Advantage" says you're wrong. And they are just getting started.
 
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Can't decide which fanboys are worse
well,there is fanboys on all systems,but at the level of xbox? nah things like milgrau being sponsored by microsoft and aaron greenbreg liking him on twitter,you dont see that on nintendo or sony social media,xbox fanboys ( not the normal ones) are the most toxic by far
 

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Yeah, the Avengers trailer they released called "The Playstation Advantage" says you're wrong. And they are just getting started.
ok,let me ask you a question,there is a playstation equivalent of something like milgrau?
 

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ok,let me ask you a question,there is a playstation equivalent of something like milgrau?
I don't even know what that is but I'm sure it's fanboy levels were over 9000. We basing the fanboy crap between the companies on power levels? I don't care, I like when they talk shit about each other. I'm grabbing my popcorn while mommy and daddy fight. Both consoles are mine either way.
 
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I don't know, but if this is ONLY referencing consoles? I think this is wrong. Needs to be even 3-4x the amount of PS5 vs. XSEX. If, this is really just focussing on sold physical console units..!!?
I mean, after the last weeks information's handed to consumers...I don't know man, especially, people that are actually owning a PC... why would you even bother buying a XSEX?
Thats kinda silly mentality. If i wanted to play games on pc i would. But i rather play on the couch with a huge tv connected to a 5.1 system. Sorry but its better then any pc imo. Its the better console.

Im not big on japanese made console games. I like the occasional jrpg. Sony is no nintendo. If thats the case why buy a playstation?
 

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I honestly see this generation as the PS2 era again for Sony. They are on top, they're aggressive, and they are pumping so much money into software its amazing.

They are going to come out swinging and the mindshare will be with them the whole way. Its already here and these things are still 4 months from release.

Xbox hasnt had a choice but to change their direction, because they dont have the discipline to actually compete with Sony head to head. All they do is throw money at things and expect results. I think their software lineup after a few years will be good, but my confidence isn't too high on their launch, as all their talk has been let down after let down when they actually show something.

They arent going for the hardcore gamer, and that's where I think a lot of people are so disappointed, me included. They're mainly aiming at casuals, and eventually this is where they'll end up.

No hardware, just gamepass.
 

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A rather sad attitude imo

Not yours, Microsoft’s.

They can compete they showed glimpses of it during the 360. Xbox’s biggest problem is Microsoft itself at times.

A brand with tons of potential not being met but this group running the division are liked by many core fans it seems so my opinion is a fart in the wind really when it comes to wanting change.
I believe you are 100% right. The Xbox has a lot of potential. Just with Rare, they are sitting in a gold mine of IPs, but they just refuse to revive them and do them well.

Definitely, the biggest issue with Xbox is the people running it. Just as an example, Aaron Greenberg, is the worst PR/marketing executive of ANY company.

I think most of the executives at Xbox are out of touch with the industry. Phil Spencer is a gamer and he is passionate, but yet, he doesn't understand what their people want. Things like GamePass and BC are popular because it's basically "free" stuff. It's something with a lot of value for little price.

You can see in their Games showcases that they had, that they just think of games, like how moms thing about "Nintendos". Moms think any video game is a Nintendo, and Xbox thinks that any game weighs the same in value on Xbox. They say: We have 5,000 games because they are counting BC, Indies, First party, third party, good rated, bad rated, etc). Sony and Nintendo on the other hand, know which games are really important for the brand. Nintendo knows that Zelda and Mario far outweigh games like Kirby. So they don't go and give them the same treatment.

Xbox needs someone at the head that understands that. Someone that understands the industry far better than the business of it.
 

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I’m surprised they don’t mention Mexico and South America more often, both regions are pretty strong Xbox wise, but other then that I can’t argue against the projections but they are just that, projections and speculation.

Not to sound like a negative Nancy either but we are still battling a crumbling economy World wide and a global pandemic. Don’t be surprise if both consoles end up failing their projected selling numbers.
 
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PS5 sale should significantly outpace XSX based simply on the fact that that is the current situation between the platforms, and so far we haven't seen anything new that's big enough to change that.

An inexpensive Series S could equalize things a bit, but not near launch. It could happen 2+ years into the next gen by allowing a cheap Series S to be an impulse second console buy for existing PS5 owners. It'd be just like how the Wii was for 360 and PS3 owners. However that is dependent on Xbox amassing a library of games enticing enough for PS5 owners buy a new conole to play. That might not happen because Microsoft looks to be going for a quantity over quality strategy in order to string Game Pass subscribers along so they don't quit. My prediction is the XSX/XSS will end up with a significant number of games you'd like to play, but very few that you feel like you have to play.

Another thing going against the "Series S as a second console" theory is the need to pay for a subscription on both consoles in order to play online. That's an extra cost that will limit the number of two console owners to those willing to also pay two ongoing subscriptions.
 
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In recent months it has become clear that Sony and Microsoft are pursuing two very different strategies in the video game industry. The likely result is that the upcoming Sony PlayStation 5 should significantly outsell the Microsoft Xbox Series X. However, Microsoft may have the long-term winning battle plan.

The latest DFC Intelligence video game console forecasts have the PlayStation 5 outselling the Xbox Series X by a margin of 2-to-1. The PS5 looks likely to be Sony’s fourth 100 million unit selling console game system.

Microsoft is trying its best with Xbox Series X, but the past few months have revealed they are just too far behind Sony. Consumer brand preference is strongly towards PlayStation. As a piece of hardware there is nothing Xbox Series X is doing to change that perception.

Sony is also a global powerhouse in video games. Microsoft is only strong in English speaking markets. The Xbox has no presence in Japan and is weak in most of Europe. Sony’s strength in global consumer electronics distribution has been too much for Microsoft to overcome, even after 20 years of concerted effort.



The graph has no units on the Y axis except for 'millions' and therefore is totally useless. Has nobody else picked up on that?
 

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Colour me surprise. Obviously,Playstation has wider appeal globally and Microsoft seems focused on gamepass but maintain the same market.
 

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I believe you are 100% right. The Xbox has a lot of potential. Just with Rare, they are sitting in a gold mine of IPs, but they just refuse to revive them and do them well.

Definitely, the biggest issue with Xbox is the people running it. Just as an example, Aaron Greenberg, is the worst PR/marketing executive of ANY company.

I think most of the executives at Xbox are out of touch with the industry. Phil Spencer is a gamer and he is passionate, but yet, he doesn't understand what their people want. Things like GamePass and BC are popular because it's basically "free" stuff. It's something with a lot of value for little price.

You can see in their Games showcases that they had, that they just think of games, like how moms thing about "Nintendos". Moms think any video game is a Nintendo, and Xbox thinks that any game weighs the same in value on Xbox. They say: We have 5,000 games because they are counting BC, Indies, First party, third party, good rated, bad rated, etc). Sony and Nintendo on the other hand, know which games are really important for the brand. Nintendo knows that Zelda and Mario far outweigh games like Kirby. So they don't go and give them the same treatment.

Xbox needs someone at the head that understands that. Someone that understands the industry far better than the business of it.
Youre definitely right there. I feel as if MS has killed their own hype by not shutting up. Theyre always saying something, let some hype build up, let people have low expectations, but they don't because its the most bestest console ever!

Their marketing team is doing a them a massive disservice.
 
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The same DFC that said this, when Switch has sold 60 million and we haven't even got to Christmas 2020 yet.

Will probably be 70 million by year end. Only off by 75%.

 
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They going to predict the sun will rise in the morning next ffs? I want a job in that racket say some common sense things like they are revelations lmao. Duh most of us have said this for a very long time Sony will win in a blow out again.
 

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1. Sony turned them around, yes.

2. Roughly
Sony: 30 billion
Microsoft: 130 billion
This! Sony has no where near as much cash on hand as Microsoft. What fanboys need to understand is that this is business. Xbox does not have access to "the largest war chest of cash" I don't understand why they think Xbox has free reign on that cash?!?! They read that Microsoft is has moved past 1 Trillion and some how they are bolstered by it, like if Xbox wanted to they could just buy up the industry... no, they can't. In all honesty, Playstation might have a longer leash, in terms of spending, with Sony than Xbox has with Microsoft strictly based on the fact of how important Playstation is to Sony's bottom line.
 
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The same DFC that said this, when Switch has sold 60 million and we haven't even got to Christmas 2020 yet.

Will probably be 70 million by year end. Only off by 75%.

So you don't believe PS5 will do 2:1 over XSX?
 

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Microsoft hasn’t shown anything that would state otherwise. If anyone is going to dethrone Sony it will be another player. Right now that’s nobody.
 

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Something I dont get is this whole "Well you can play xbox games everywhere, thats their goal". I mean yes, but people can use playstation now on TV's, PC's and phones for years now. Sure the quality of the stream isnt as good right now and the selection of games might not be to everones liking. But do people completely forget that Sony has been in the gaming streaming market for almost the whole generation now? And MS is just now getting there.

And of course Sony is going to improve the service now that they finally have two more competitors in that space. Dont forget they have a strategic partnership with MS for their server technology. So Sonys service will run on the same servers as Microsofts service (well, probably on several different serverfarms, but anyway).
So its not like google and MS are the only players in Cloud gaming. Sony's been there for quite a while and might shift there if the need arises. I just dont think they see a need right now. But that might as well change in the coming months and years.
 

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If they really cared more about console sales they would have made exclusives not on Xbox One. With the 12+ Game Pass subs(no update since April just a guess), making Game Pass exclusives to XSX and XSS with a low entry cost on the XSS and some cut throat exclusive deals like Sony they could be neck and neck for a while but they seem laid back when it comes to console sales. They are more worried about Game Pass retention and getting it on more and more devices including phones soon.
This is all just pure delusions. There were never going to be "neck and neck" unless Sony fucked something up massively. Microsoft "doesn't care" about console sales because they know they can't win that battle
 
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Wonder if a console/handheld will ever outsell the PS2? Feel like if someone did it would be some crazy idea from Nintendo
 

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Console wise yeah, it's hardly a brave, controversial prediction. Based on the slow growth of PSN subs from another thread the other day, I think PSN+ versus GP and xCloud will be the more interesting battle, especially when they get it up and running in the other markets like India. Sony will clean up the hardware battle and you'd expect them to
 

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Nah. The PS3 outsold the significantly cheaper 360 from day 1. Not just launch aligned but literally when it released it sold more in the following 12 months than the 360 did, even at USD$599.

The iPhone 12 will outsell the next OnePlus flagship, price and other factors don’t matter when a brand name and existing installed fan base is significantly bigger than the other.
Playstation has always been an extremely strong brand. Both the PS1 and PS2 were more expensive than the competition and still outsold the Dreamcast, N64, Gamecube and Xbox by a huge margin. Microsoft had the incredible luck that they were able to launch the 360 15 months before their main competitor and were able to grab a significant market share in the US/UK. But they didn't have that luxury this gen and it's very unlikely they will make reclaim lost market share in the future. But at least they're taking first party games development seriously again and that should make Xbox diehards happier than they've been in the past ten years.
 

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Do you think the 2:1 will continue next gen?

I think MS has made great strides in bolstering their studios, improving GamePass, and I get the feeling that a $299 (or less) Lockhart's going to be more impactful than people realize.

NeoGAF is giving me strong Vita / Wii vibes (way off) for XBox right now.
lol the gap is going to widen further. People want games, not promises.

Sony seems to tighten the noose around MS neck even further with the bullshit moneyhats.
 

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What's Microsoft done to get people outside of English speaking countries to buy an Xbox? There's only so much you can do when Sonyland takes up most of the globe.
Does it matter? The 360 didn't do much outside of English speaking countries either. Still sold 90 million.
 
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Does it matter? The 360 didn't do much outside of English speaking countries either. Still sold 90 million.
Your mistake is thinking the market share is stable. it isn't. The less people own an Xbox, the less people would recommend an Xbox. The less people a consumer know own an Xbox, the less likely that person would buy an Xbox. This is why Xbox basically ceased to exist in Japan and in many parts of Europe; once the popularity drop below a certain level, it is no longer sustainable in a market.

It is a fantasy to assume Xbox would be able to maintain the 2 to 1 deficit next gen without something keeping them going. And Microsoft know this too, they have already given up and went all in Gamepass. The Series X was just a vestigial project that they had to keep because they already spent the money on it.
 
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Your mistake is thinking the market share is stable. it isn't. The less people own an Xbox, the less people would recommend an Xbox. The less people a consumer know own an Xbox, the less likely that person would buy an Xbox. This is why Xbox basically ceased to exist in Japan and in many parts of Europe; once the popularity drop below a certain level, it is no longer sustainable in a market.

It is a fantasy to assume Xbox would be able to maintain the 2 to 1 deficit next gen without something keeping them going. And Microsoft know this too, they have already given up and went all in Gamepass. The Series X was just a vestigial project that they had to keep because they already spent the money on it.
Wait...you think MS won't be able to (at minimum) maintain their 1:2 pace with PS5?
 
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Wait...you think MS won't be able to (at minimum) maintain their 1:2 pace with PS5?
No. Because they have so far not shown any improvements over last gen. They have not shown why people who don't already own an Xbox should get one.

And "But they have more power!" does not cut it. Not if they couldn't demonstrate the power by actually running AAA games on real hardware. Console wars are hard, your mistake is assuming it is easy to make a comeback.

Look at it this way; Sony brought PS3 back from the dead, but the only way they manage it was by using up all the profits they earned from PS2 in supporting PS3, and the Vita get killed as a side effect too. If you think it is EASY to survive as a console manufacturer, you are ignorant of all the dead consoles in the past.
 

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No. Because they have so far not shown any improvements over last gen. They have not shown why people who don't already own an Xbox should get one.

And "But they have more power!" does not cut it. Not if they couldn't demonstrate the power by actually running AAA games on real hardware. Console wars are hard, your mistake is assuming it is easy to make a comeback.

Look at it this way; Sony brought PS3 back from the dead, but the only way they manage it was by using up all the profits they earned from PS2 in supporting PS3, and the Vita get killed as a side effect too. If you think it is EASY to survive as a console manufacturer, you are ignorant of all the dead consoles in the past.
 
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this is a surprise,outside usa the xbox brand its DOA
Indeed. I dont know anybody whom is interested of xsex, while 100% of gamers I know are planning to get PS5.

And I know people from 3-4 european countries.

I think I'm the only one even remotely interest to get xsex, and it would be mainly/only for flight simulator if/when I can get used/new one for 150-200€ after sales tank.