• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • The Politics forum has been nuked. Please do not bring political discussion to the rest of the site, or you will be removed. Thanks.

Event Overwatch 2: a stream will take place next week

KyoZz

Member
Jan 21, 2018
3,245
13,492
955
31
Bordeaux, France
Overwatch 2 PvP will be shown with professional teams



In a short video, Aaron Keller, the successor to our good ol 'Jeff Kaplan at the helm of the Overwatch franchise at Blizzard, announces that a stream will take place next week.
An AMA will also be organized on Reddit on May 24th


 

rubenburgt

Member
Feb 14, 2015
166
158
435
Meh.

As long as they don't fix the current issues of ow1, which is the terrible balancing, do I have no fate that ow2 will be any better
 
  • LOL
Reactions: RasAlGhoul

STARSBarry

Gold Member
May 19, 2019
577
1,161
465
What's with this seeing agendas everywhere? Life must be scary outside there, lock everything and don't go out!

To be fair I always thought that Tracer should have a play of the game victory animation where she makes out with her red haired girlfriend and cops a feel....

No idea why they don't make it more obvioues ingame, the porn sites seemed to have to pick up up slack for Blizzard with this one.
 

TheContact

Member
Jan 22, 2016
6,652
6,396
860
Imagine releasing a glorified expansion pack more than 5 years out and calling it a new game. Blizz is a j o k e
 
  • Fire
Reactions: Ribi

betrayal

Member
Feb 2, 2018
1,629
2,442
425
Overwatch is the only game I play regularly, so I'm looking forward to OW2.

Of course, if you're used to the annual releases, you won't be able to do much with OW. That's just a shame, because it's one of the most detailed and polished games of the last years.
 
Last edited:

Sparhavoc

Member
Sep 4, 2020
678
1,278
480
What's with this seeing agendas everywhere? Life must be scary outside there, lock everything and don't go out!
If they actually put effort into the character design and not base them on stereotypes it wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb but it does and you dont need to see agendas everywhere to notice it if your head is screwed on
 

MiguelItUp

Member
Feb 24, 2015
6,905
6,077
800
The most useless sequel. Same as Left for Dead 2, could've been just an add-on to the first game.
Eh, personally I felt like L4D2 felt more like a full fledged sequel than whatever this will be... I mean, there was enough new content there. But with OW2, I really don't know what they plan on adding aside from some new characters, modes, and maps. I don't think each character will have new weapons. Maybe they'll have new supers they can swap? No idea.

The idea of OW2 being a thing in my mind just never really made much sense because of how the game is structured. Not to mention when they first talked about it, it sounded like it was going to be DLC that was going to change the game into the sequel? Lol. Just so bizarre to me.
 

Perfo

Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Aug 22, 2010
5,816
167
1,025
myfinalfantasycollection.blogspot.it
If they actually put effort into the character design and not base them on stereotypes it wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb but it does and you dont need to see agendas everywhere to notice it if your head is screwed on

Wait, wait, wait. I'm getting confused. So now it's not about it being too woke but quite the opposite, failing at representation of minorities and such with horrible stereotypes! Now I get it...

... or should I ask: you couldn't have said from the start that the character design is horrible for you and be done with it? Because now it really looks like you tried to force an agenda of yours when there was no reason for! :D
 
Last edited:

levyjl1988

Member
Jan 31, 2010
1,636
1,617
1,160
Canada, Toronto
Yeah, I gave up on Overwatch because of the predatory loot boxes, the FOMO skins, and all the atrocious monetization schemes.
Fuck this game, fuck the sequel. It lost its charm.

Do Not Want. You want to hide your skins behind a time-limited event that you can never get again, well fuck you Blizzard Activision. I used to be a fan, but never again.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BlackTron

Men_in_Boxes

Member
May 31, 2020
5,113
10,294
650
Yeah, I gave up on Overwatch because of the predatory loot boxes, the FOMO skins, and all the atrocious monetization schemes.
Fuck this game, fuck the sequel. It lost its charm.

Do Not Want. You want to hide your skins behind a time-limited event that you can never get again, well fuck you Blizzard Activision. I used to be a fan, but never again.

Don't judge a game based on useless cosmetics. Judge it based on the merits of it's gameplay mechanics and design.
 

levyjl1988

Member
Jan 31, 2010
1,636
1,617
1,160
Canada, Toronto
Don't judge a game based on useless cosmetics. Judge it based on the merits of it's gameplay mechanics and design.
Yeah, and I am judging it on the insidious design of monetization. Cosmetics believe it or not are part of the overall design. Look at the Sonic movie and how fans reacted to Sonic's appearance.
Overwatch felt more like a free-to-play game than a full $60 purchase.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Blochu

LazyParrot

Member
Mar 19, 2019
1,685
3,500
420
You both make pretty compelling arguments. I've thought about it and now I'm convinced... Overwatch has always been trash/shit.
You know, calling people out for making claims and then not backing them up with any arguments only really makes sense when you're not doing the same thing.
 

Sparhavoc

Member
Sep 4, 2020
678
1,278
480
Wait, wait, wait. I'm getting confused. So now it's not about it being too woke but quite the opposite, failing at representation of minorities and such with horrible stereotypes! Now I get it...

... or should I ask: you couldn't have said from the start that the character design is horrible for you and be done with it? Because now it really looks like you tried to force an agenda of yours when there was no reason for! :D
You're insane then if you took that from my comment
 

Men_in_Boxes

Member
May 31, 2020
5,113
10,294
650
You know, calling people out for making claims and then not backing them up with any arguments only really makes sense when you're not doing the same thing.

How can anyone counter the "Overwatch is bad because of loot boxes" argument? That's the Kobayashi Maru of videogame points. You have defeated me good sir, now please do not embarrass me further. Leave me my dignity!
 

LazyParrot

Member
Mar 19, 2019
1,685
3,500
420
How can anyone counter the "Overwatch is bad because of loot boxes" argument? That's the Kobayashi Maru of videogame points. You have defeated me good sir, now please do not embarrass me further. Leave me my dignity!
This isn't about loot boxes.

You've stated Overwatch has "excellent" gameplay mechanics and design. You did not explain why.
Some people disagreed. They, too, did not explain why.

If you don't feel the need to explain the reasoning behind your opinions, how can you complain about others not doing it either?
 
Last edited:

Men_in_Boxes

Member
May 31, 2020
5,113
10,294
650
This isn't about loot boxes.

You've stated Overwatch has "excellent" gameplay mechanics and design. You did not explain why.
Some people disagreed. They, too, did not explain why.

If you don't feel the need to explain the reasoning behind your opinions, how can you complain about others not doing it either?

 

trufflepigg

Member
Mar 29, 2012
263
259
740
this game was incredible (OW1) until the moment they nerfed Mercy
once that changed happened it was a constant cycle of destroying characters and what made the game fun patch by patch

last time i logged in maybe a year ago, you couldn't even switch characters any longer mid match? Like what the actual phuck is this dev doing? Bunch of amateurs i swear
 

Ribi

Member
Oct 24, 2017
758
810
385
The most useless sequel. Same as Left for Dead 2, could've been just an add-on to the first game.
L4d2 was valves baby. L4d was turtle rocks. Different systems in melee and special infected. They play differently if you've ever played them now.
 

Paltheos

Member
Feb 28, 2015
2,435
536
515
The new director for the game is as stiff as a board in that developer update lol. I miss you, Jeff. :(
I've had some apprehensions about this game since they decided to make elements of it like the gunfire more realistic (part of the appeal imo has been the cartoony feel but maybe/hopefully I'm wrong).
Am interested in though. I still put allot of time into the game.

this game was incredible (OW1) until the moment they nerfed Mercy
once that changed happened it was a constant cycle of destroying characters and what made the game fun patch by patch

last time i logged in maybe a year ago, you couldn't even switch characters any longer mid match? Like what the actual phuck is this dev doing? Bunch of amateurs i swear

What lol? This has never, ever been a thing. Not even close. You could always switch characters mid match.

Balance patches have generally been in a good direction since Blizzard stopped adding new content. The game's generally felt better each one. There's still stupid shit in the game but most of it's ironed out.
 

betrayal

Member
Feb 2, 2018
1,629
2,442
425
this game was incredible (OW1) until the moment they nerfed Mercy
once that changed happened it was a constant cycle of destroying characters and what made the game fun patch by patch

last time i logged in maybe a year ago, you couldn't even switch characters any longer mid match? Like what the actual phuck is this dev doing? Bunch of amateurs i swear
This could not be further from the truth.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AdjudicatorHead

trufflepigg

Member
Mar 29, 2012
263
259
740
The new director for the game is as stiff as a board in that developer update lol. I miss you, Jeff. :(
I've had some apprehensions about this game since they decided to make elements of it like the gunfire more realistic (part of the appeal imo has been the cartoony feel but maybe/hopefully I'm wrong).
Am interested in though. I still put allot of time into the game.



What lol? This has never, ever been a thing. Not even close. You could always switch characters mid match.

Balance patches have generally been in a good direction since Blizzard stopped adding new content. The game's generally felt better each one. There's still stupid shit in the game but most of it's ironed out.
sorry you're right, I forgot - you can only change characters within certain classes now, and the classes make no sense. Before you could swap to any character, and before that even duplicates which made strategies even more interesting

and to the guy above, yeah, they ruined Mercy, then they ruined Bastion, they nerfed like every single character to the ground. Blizzard has no idea wtf they are doing. You can say those changes were better for balance or whatever, but the player count plummeted because they made the game less fun with every "balance change"
 
  • Triggered
Reactions: AdjudicatorHead

Dacon

Member
Apr 24, 2011
4,501
5,830
1,215
Houston, Texas
I don't apologize for excellently designed gameplay.

Overwatch's gameplay balance is absolutely terrible now.

Once upon a time it had well designed gameplay, then they started adding characters whose abilities completely upset and uprooted the gameplay flow and ruined all but the highest levels of play.

For example, a character like Baptiste is a much better dps than Soldier with effective healing and a get out of jail free card on a 20 second cooldown.
 

Fuz

Member
Jun 8, 2009
8,975
10,936
1,415
Cagliari, Italy
What killed OW, for me and some friends who used to play, is the introduction of ranked matches with those extra rewards.
OW's ranked system is terribly designed, extremely frustrating and way too much time consuming.
The game was funnier when there was only quick match.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Member
May 31, 2020
5,113
10,294
650
Overwatch's gameplay balance is absolutely terrible now.

Once upon a time it had well designed gameplay, then they started adding characters whose abilities completely upset and uprooted the gameplay flow and ruined all but the highest levels of play.

For example, a character like Baptiste is a much better dps than Soldier with effective healing and a get out of jail free card on a 20 second cooldown.

According to this, the balance seems fine. People were complaining about balance back in 2016 when Overwatch was the bees knees. I remember maining Symetra back then and people were complaining all the time about that character.


I think people tire of the game, so they choose a reason why the game is now bad and stick to that.
 

Dacon

Member
Apr 24, 2011
4,501
5,830
1,215
Houston, Texas
According to this, the balance seems fine. People were complaining about balance back in 2016 when Overwatch was the bees knees. I remember maining Symetra back then and people were complaining all the time about that character.

This means nothing to casual players. Hell, plenty of pro players on OWL teams say the balance is shit. No link can account for people's individual opinions of the game, nor can it be claimed there is some objective standard to point to that validates any one opinion. This is like posting metacritic scores to prove your fav game is the bestest ever.

I think people tire of the game, so they choose a reason why the game is now bad and stick to that.

I play Overwatch weekly and have since launch with my close friends, hell I'm in que right now. Balance is shit, there are certain characters that are way better than others. Some which outright break the game at high level play, and outright ruin all fun at the average level.
 

Roxkis_ii

Member
May 24, 2016
476
729
580
The problem with overwatch for me is its a team game played by strangers. If you don't have a friend on your team, your influence over a match is too small and you can lose because of factors outside of your control.

Maybe I'd be interested in overwatch 2 if they made the teams smaller, so individual players have more influence.

I'm completely uninterested in their single player campaign
 

CuNi

Member
Sep 4, 2014
1,343
1,288
765
Germany
I never understood why they introduced things like Archives and Uprising etc. where it's a very fun PvE game and yet never doubled down on that.
PvP slowly and gradually turned to shit and they just showed that they have no clue where to go with PvP when they reworked Torbjörn completely and Symmetra even twice. That just felt like no one took the time to think about what actually could be done to make those heroes better but instead they went with "let's just do X and hope it works out!". Hell there even is a playlist where you can play "Potential" changes that completely change heroes playstyle every month with 99% of those changes never making it to the main game.

They are just throwing "fixes" at the game and see what sticks.
This game will thrive if they double down on the PvE aspects of the game as PvP is already so devastated, they'd have to put in a lot of time to get the current character lineup even remotely balanced before they should even consider adding new heroes, but we all know that with OW2 we'll get plenty of new heroes that will throw off the balance of the game even more.
 

Dacon

Member
Apr 24, 2011
4,501
5,830
1,215
Houston, Texas
I never understood why they introduced things like Archives and Uprising etc. where it's a very fun PvE game and yet never doubled down on that.
PvP slowly and gradually turned to shit and they just showed that they have no clue where to go with PvP when they reworked Torbjörn completely and Symmetra even twice. That just felt like no one took the time to think about what actually could be done to make those heroes better but instead they went with "let's just do X and hope it works out!". Hell there even is a playlist where you can play "Potential" changes that completely change heroes playstyle every month with 99% of those changes never making it to the main game.

They are just throwing "fixes" at the game and see what sticks.
This game will thrive if they double down on the PvE aspects of the game as PvP is already so devastated, they'd have to put in a lot of time to get the current character lineup even remotely balanced before they should even consider adding new heroes, but we all know that with OW2 we'll get plenty of new heroes that will throw off the balance of the game even more.

Bastion is still absolutely useless for the most part. He gets murked by all but the most clueless of teams.
 

Sybrix

Member
Aug 20, 2017
834
1,457
565
You can’t get away these days releasing a sequal that could pass for DLC...maybe 10 years ago...

Also 5v5?! Most wanted 8v8 lol and they take it down to 5v5....

Not sure how well this is going to do
 
  • Like
Reactions: MiguelItUp

MiguelItUp

Member
Feb 24, 2015
6,905
6,077
800
Weird to go backward to 5v5, really. Honestly I couldn't even sit through majority of the stream. I watched a couple of minutes of gameplay and bounced. It almost looked no different than the previous game.
 

Bridges

Member
Nov 15, 2016
849
1,303
615
USA
I loved Overwatch 1, but it felt like it got worse and worse the more they tinkered with characters and abilities to "balance" them. I feel that they emphasized the eSports players over the casuals and it hurt the game as a whole.
 

McCheese

Member
Jan 7, 2018
2,371
5,833
635
Valve's Digital Distribution Platform
I bet overwatch 2 only exists because of possible lootbox legislation, the original plan was for Overwatch to be like Counterstrike with continuous support funded by optional cosmetic transactions, lootboxes increase returns for cosmetics so when countries started putting that in doubt, someone came up with the great idea of putting all the content update behind a new RRP retail release.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: Ryu Kaiba

Sybrix

Member
Aug 20, 2017
834
1,457
565
I loved Overwatch 1, but it felt like it got worse and worse the more they tinkered with characters and abilities to "balance" them. I feel that they emphasized the eSports players over the casuals and it hurt the game as a whole.

This is what happened with Halo 5, focused the MP on esports and forgot the casual player and we all know how well Halo 5 did....
 

Men_in_Boxes

Member
May 31, 2020
5,113
10,294
650
Such a bizarre sequel. How on God's green earth is this patch being called a full fledged sequel with 3 years dev time?

This should have been released in 2019 and the OW team should be halfway through development of their next multiplayer IP.
 
  • Like
Reactions: spartan30gr