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[Shaheed79]

I think your question has been already answered. :lol

I see. So your a PSP fan right?

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

A few points of reference I'd like to make about today.

Metal Gear and DMC look great. The thing I think people are missing the boat on is that these aren't going to be launch day titles. It's almost like they are doing Sony's bidding to keep 360 hype at bay. They do a commendable job with that. We won't see these games until 2007 at the earilest. Now, with that said, I expect Xbox 360 games to look on par with these at that time. I know it's to get fanboy emotions flowing, but as gamers who should be level headed, you'd think they'd know better. If the PS3 and X360 launched side by side and MGS4 came out looking like that. I'm an Xbot and I'd shit myself. The thing is, they aren't.

 

[HokieJoe]

Pfft, no way dude.

The best Sony can do is half of my game purchases, and I’m still unsure of that. So for now, I’m still on the 360 bandwagon all the way.

 

[Ben Sones]

I already have cancer, can I carry it over to 360? Also, I'm pretty sure they will release an AIDS dongle at some point.

Some types of cancer will be supported at launch, and support for additional types will be added going forward. It is unknown if all types of cancer will be supported eventually, though.

 

[White Man]

Some types of cancer will be supported at launch, and support for additional types will be added going forward. It is unknown if all types of cancer will be supported eventually, though.

I heard from a good source that the PS3 supports 8 cancers at once, but one is always disabled. Frankly, I'm more excited about that nVidia RSyphilisX card.

 

[Mrbob]

Pffft, Xbox 360 will be fine.

Let us see what the system is capable of in 2006 and 2007.

 

[Suikoguy]

I heard from a good source that the PS3 supports 8 cancers at once, but one is always disabled. Frankly, I'm more excited about that nVidia RSyphilisX card.

We should stop that analogy right there.. if we go much further, I fear for the outcome :lol

 

[Outdoor Miner]

A few points of reference I'd like to make about today.

Metal Gear and DMC look great. The thing I think people are missing the boat on is that these aren't going to be launch day titles. It's almost like they are doing Sony's bidding to keep 360 hype at bay. They do a commendable job with that. We won't see these games until 2007 at the earilest.

Not to mention the DMC stuff has already been confirmed as a target render. Plus, the producer of the game has already said Dante is going to look radically different than what was shown today. I mean, what's the point of releasing that media then? :lol

 

[teiresias]

Not to mention the DMC stuff has already been confirmed as a target render. Plus, the producer of the game has already said Dante is going to look radically different than what was shown today. I mean, what's the point of releasing that media then? :lol

Well, the guy reporting that that's the translation makes it more confusing, because "target render" tends to mean pre-rendered, but he says "target render running on PS3" so what the hell does that mean? An engine demo with preliminary art assets?

 

[Vark]

Well, the guy reporting that that's the translation makes it more confusing, because "target render" tends to mean pre-rendered, but he says "target render running on PS3" so what the hell does that mean? An engine demo with preliminary art assets?

It means you don't have to worry about Pesky things like AI, game code, collision, audio, physics, input, state changes or anything thats you know, required to run a game.

It's just a rendering engine with some canned animations basically.

The hope is that when you add in the crap that makes the game actually a game, you don't have to start nerfing the art to get your framerate back.

The PS3 will easily hit the MGS4, DMC3 footage with a competent team. But then so won't the Xbox 360. The school of thought that somehow games coming out in 2 months are representative of all the Xbox360 is, is a joke when most games won't be using all 3 cores for a while.

MS made a fatal PR mistake this year. Showing actual games.

 

[dark10x]

MS made a fatal PR mistake this year. Showing actual games.

It is true.

Showing actual games isn't a problem, but showing them on unfinished hardware is.

What's worse is that all of the teaser material was quite a ways beyond what ended up being the reality.

They set people up...and then promptly let them all down. The method in which they chose to reveal the 360 was a mistake...and it shows.

Of course, with the launch coming up so quickly, they had almost no choice BUT to show games. PS3 is still down road, so they had an excuse (can't show games if there aren't any yet!), but 360 is very near.

 

[SonnyBoy]

It is true.

Showing actual games isn't a problem, but showing them on unfinished hardware is.

What's worse is that all of the teaser material was quite a ways beyond what ended up being the reality.

They set people up...and then promptly let them all down. The method in which they chose to reveal the 360 was a mistake...and it shows.

Of course, with the launch coming up so quickly, they had almost no choice BUT to show games. PS3 is still down road, so they had an excuse (can't show games if there aren't any yet!), but 360 is very near.

I can't blame MS for what the developers are doing but the games that I want for the Xbox seem so lackluster. I dont get into the trolling but Madden and Tiger Woods both look like Xbox games in high rez. 360 has some killer apps coming out the door but nothing has made my jaw hit the floor.

I like at the characters in MGS4 and they have more detail than the DOA characters. That should NOT be the case.

 

[terrene]

Get both and stop being such a moron.

OMG so ugly!!!11

If that shot is realtime, then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

Say it with me. CG CUTSCENE. KTHX!

 

[rastex]

If that shot is realtime, then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

Say it with me. CG CUTSCENE. KTHX!

Uh... have you seen any of the footage on G4 or anything like that? It looks just like this, not as clean since this is a direct framebuffer shot and all of that, but that's what it looks like.

 

[Sinatar]

If that shot is realtime, then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

Wow royalty on GAF, I'm honored your highness.

 

[teiresias]

The GOW screenshots are just embarrasing at this point, sure it's got a ton of shader effects and whatnot, but there really is no concept of "less is more" with alot of these western developed fps games anymore. Every shader effect imaginable is thrown at the screen without regard for how "over processed" it looks in the end.

*Not to mention the art.

 

[Prine]

I just got back from the gym. What happened? What did i miss? And why are non Xbots handing in their Xbot jackets??

 

[Pimpwerx]

Those saying the 360 can do MGS4 and DMC4 sure as fuck better not be the same ones who shouted that KZ3 was a CG trailer and impossible for next-gen. If you are, then STFU. There's plenty of "I fucking told you so" left in my gun. PEACE.

 

[SHOCKIE]

And why are non Xbots handing in their Xbot jackets??

:lol

 

[terrene]

Uh... have you seen any of the footage on G4 or anything like that? It looks just like this, not as clean since this is a direct framebuffer shot and all of that, but that's what it looks like.

What you saw was a CG cutscene. I'm not saying those graphics aren't in the game. I'm saying that they are in the game, in a movie file that is played as a cutscene, a la Final Fantasy. Either that, or those are mega-renders with all the settings turned up a la Age of Empires III that turn out to be completely unattainable -- again a la AOE3.

Compare these two screenshots and tell me which one seems the most likely to actually happen:

Keep in mind I'm not only getting a 360 at launch, but that I work for MS.

 

[HokieJoe]

What you saw was a CG cutscene. I'm not saying those graphics aren't in the game. I'm saying that they are in the game, in a movie file that is played as a cutscene, a la Final Fantasy. Either that, or those are mega-renders with all the settings turned up a la Age of Empires III that turn out to be completely unattainable -- again a la AOE3.

Compare these two screenshots and tell me which one seems the most likely:

Keep in mind I'm not only getting a 360 at launch, but that I work for MS.

From the June, 2005/Issue 146 of GameInformer, page 48:

"Every screen on these pages is taken from actual gameplay, and is representative of what Gears of War honestly looks like.

Yes, the game is actually this gorgeous."

That is a verbatim quote FWIW.



BTW, this picture is in the mag:

 

[terrene]

Hold on, I know how to settle this.

 

[terrene]

Okay, enough bullshit.

These screens are from the HD trailer at www.gametrailers.com:

Oh my god! It's full of polygons!
</2001>

Now, is that good-looking? Sure! Next-Gen? Definitely! Must-buy? You bet!

But NOT THE SAME AS:

 

[HokieJoe]

Okay, enough bullshit.

These screens are from the HD trailer at www.gametrailers.com:

Good-looking? Sure! Next-Gen? Definitely! Must-buy? You bet!

But NOT THE SAME AS:

Just telling you what GI said dude.

All of the pictures looked better than that. Perhaps what you just posted was from an earlier build.

 

[Doube D]

I dont get it...

We all know the xbox 360 is capable of acheving mgs 4 or dmc 4 graphics.

What's the big deal?

Oh we have no doubt the x360 could pull it off, in 4x SLI mode. But not the 1x360 box you will be purchasing, thats for sure. ;p

 

[TheJollyCorner]

well, this thread calls for a re-use of this gif:

this thread =

The flames began before the first word was posted. :lol

 

[terrene]

well, this thread calls for a re-use of this gif:

this thread =

The flames began before the first word was posted. :lol

OMG!

WTF is happening to that guy!?

Edit: Ah, just figured out he was lighting the drink before he took a shot.

LOL

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

I hope my debit/credit cards love getting swiped through the readers because its going to happen a lot next gen.

 

[HokieJoe]

Oh we have no doubt the x360 could pull it off, in 4x SLI mode. But not the 1x360 box you will be purchasing, thats for sure. ;p

:lol

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[eso76]

Okay, enough bullshit.

These screens are from the HD trailer at www.gametrailers.com:

Oh my god! It's full of polygons!
</2001>

Now, is that good-looking? Sure! Next-Gen? Definitely! Must-buy? You bet!

But NOT THE SAME AS:

it's exactly the same graphics !
only slightly higher res and uncompresed since it's a direct grab and not a grab from a trailer.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Oh we have no doubt the x360 could pull it off, in 4x SLI mode. But not the 1x360 box you will be purchasing, thats for sure. ;p

:lol :lol :lol :lol

This has been one funny day. The difference is, we are getting these 360 games in 2 months, you won't see DMC4 or MGS4 on your PS3 for at least 2 years. We are talking 2007 here. Chronologically, we've seen no game that comes out after Gears of War on the 360. That is a March 2006 title. So, assuming DMC4 and MGS4 are November 2007 titles, that is at least 18 months on anything we've seen thus far on the Xbox 360. This has been like for shock value. It's like it's purposeful. Sony HQ: Oh shit, Microsoft is gaining steam! Let's stop them by showing a game not due for 2 years, they will lap it up regardless. That is the thing that kills me about all of this. Are those graphics to be expected, yes. 2007 is a long way from now though, and the Xbox 360 will have displayed games that is in the same ballpark as what was shown today in that Famitsu mag

 

[HokieJoe]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

This has been one funny day. The difference is, we are getting these 360 games in 2 months, you won't see DMC4 or MGS4 on your PS3 for at least 2 years. We are talking 2007 here. Chronologically, we've seen no game that comes out after Gears of War on the 360. That is a March 2006 title. So, assuming DMC4 and MGS4 are November 2007 titles, that is at least 18 months on anything we've seen thus far on the Xbox 360. This has been like for shock value. It's like it's purposeful. Sony HQ: Oh shit, Microsoft is gaining steam! Let's stop them by showing a game not due for 2 years, they will lap it up regardless. That is the thing that kills me about all of this. Are those graphics to be expected, yes. 2007 is a long way from now though, and the Xbox 360 will have displayed games that is in the same ballpark as what was shown today in that Famitsu mag

Shhh, Icebreezy.

Let them bask in some glory after the infamy of the Guerilla/KZ3 "realtime or CG" fiasco they suffered.

 

[Solid]

ps3: xbuck$ 360 you are my bitch.

 

[terrene]

it's exactly the same graphics !
only slightly higher res and uncompresed since it's a direct grab and not a grab from a trailer.

Uh, no. No, it's really not.

How many polygons are in the monster's fucking teeth alone?

 

[hadareud]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

This has been one funny day. The difference is, we are getting these 360 games in 2 months, you won't see DMC4 or MGS4 on your PS3 for at least 2 years. We are talking 2007 here. Chronologically, we've seen no game that comes out after Gears of War on the 360. That is a March 2006 title. So, assuming DMC4 and MGS4 are November 2007 titles, that is at least 18 months on anything we've seen thus far on the Xbox 360. This has been like for shock value. It's like it's purposeful. Sony HQ: Oh shit, Microsoft is gaining steam! Let's stop them by showing a game not due for 2 years, they will lap it up regardless. That is the thing that kills me about all of this. Are those graphics to be expected, yes. 2007 is a long way from now though, and the Xbox 360 will have displayed games that is in the same ballpark as what was shown today in that Famitsu mag

common sense was really uncalled for

 

[Speevy]

Are we actually arguing about Gears of War? It looks that amazing. Real-time. We've all seen it. Stop.

 

[Helznicht]

How many polygons are in the monster's fucking teeth alone?

Wait, you actually think that all those teeth are indivudually rendered and not just a texture? :lol

 

[The Faceless Master]

Okay, enough bullshit.

These screens are from the HD trailer at www.gametrailers.com:

Oh my god! It's full of polygons!
</2001>

Now, is that good-looking? Sure! Next-Gen? Definitely! Must-buy? You bet!

But NOT THE SAME AS:

IAWTP!!!

oh...

wait...

you're saynig they don't look alike?

:lol :lol :lol

well, yeah the trailer screengrabs suffer from video compression artifacting, but other than that, not really...

 

[terrene]

Dude, I give up on you retards. That shot looks better than the fake PS3 shots that Sonys passing around. No polys in sight, no textures in sight, motion blurring, perfect lighting. Yeah, right, you'll guys'll have it all!

....For the 30 seconds that that cutscene lasts. Then it's back to this: